“Plumb Tickled To Death!”

Since: Mar 09

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#21 Jun 23, 2010
This is the railroad that was used by Bond-Foley Lumber Company:

Railroad Name: Rockcastle River Railway
Mill Name: Bond-Foley Lumber Co.
Location: Bond
County: Jackson KY
Start Year: 1912
End Year: 1931
Gauge: Std
Miles: 26.5
Locomotives: 7

This is the railroad that was used by the Turkey Foot Lumber Company for logging operations in Turkey Foot/War Fork area:

Railroad Name: Kentucky, Rockcastle & Cumberland Railroad
Mill Name: Turkey Foot Lumber Co.
Location: Caryton
County: Lee KY
Start Year: 1913
End Year: 1935
Gauge: Std
Miles: 18
Locomotives: 5

The Kentucky, Rockcastle, & Cumberland Railroad was an 18 mile, standard gauge railroad owned by the Turkey Foot Lumber Company and running from Caryton, a junction on the Sturgeon Creek Branch of the L&N to Turkey Foot in Jackson County, the seat of the lumber company's logging operations. The KR&C was incorporated December 3, 1913, acquired some trackage that had been previously constructed and completed the route to Turkey Foot in 1914. The KR&C was abandoned in sections, that from Turkey Foot to Wild Dog about 1923, Wild Dog for three miles north in 1930, and the remaining eight miles in 1935.

"Ghost Railroads of Kentucky by Elmer Griffith Sulzer"

William Thomas Schnaufer - "In 1912 he organized the Turkey Company Lumber Company with main office at Lexington and branch office at Huntington, West Virginia. In 1912 he organized the War Fork Lumber Company a holding company for the Turkey Foot property. He became vice president of the War Fork Land Company. He organized the K. R. and C. Railway Company, becoming it's president and also promoted the Rock Castle Supply Company, maintaining two stores, one in Lee County, Kentucky and the other in Jackson County, Kentucky. Mr Schnaufer through his companies built the finest saw mill in the state of Kentucky, a three band mill located in Lee County. The logging operations are carried on by the most modern facilities, including steam skidders and loaders, and there is eighteen miles of broad gauge railway track at the service of the lumber industry. Mr Schnaufer laid the first steel rails in Jackson County, Kentucky."

"History of Kentucky, Volume 4 by William Elsey Connelley, Ellis Merton Coulter"
Whoot Whoot

Mckee, KY

#22 Jun 23, 2010
david polston wrote:
yeah that picture looks fake thats not a real picture.
I agree with u its just edited to look like that
Goodwater

United States

#23 Jun 24, 2010
well let me tell ya wrote:
I didn't know they had railroad tracks in JC
Sure there were trains in Turkey Foot and several other places in Jackson County. My uncle who is deceased now, rest his soul, had pictures of the old trains loaded with logs. Ofcourse the train cars weren't nearly as big as they are now, but one log per car was a very big load, and also the logs were huge. I remember one picture where the area was practically clear cut, only a very small tree standing here and there. About all timber in Jackson County now is second growth timber. There is no virgin timber left that I know of. Not so long ago there were cross-ties exposed up on Steer Fork along the creek bed but you had to look close to see them. I can't promise anything but I will try to locate some of those pictures and post them. I'm sure they're still in the family somewhere. It's just a matter of locating them.
ghost town

Virgie, KY

#24 Jun 24, 2010
humve wrote:
There were railroad tracks thruought Jackson Co. the train moved logs to Bond Foley lumber co. at Bond ky.
yeah that was back in the day before jerry weaver, elmer green , and william smith, did all they could to try to bring work in here
ghost town

Virgie, KY

#25 Jun 24, 2010
you do it william were all counting on you!!!!!HAHA

“Plumb Tickled To Death!”

Since: Mar 09

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#26 Jun 24, 2010
The book "Ghost Railroads of Kentucky" has photos (not real clear) of two of the locomotives used by the Turkey Foot Lumber Company. The KR&C #4 Edwin locomotive, and the #1 1913 Climax locomotive are pictured. Also, there is a photo of a locomotive with a car full of logs climbing out of War Fork. You can view these photos online, however, I'm doubting the link I'm posting will work. If it doesn't, you can do a Google search on the book's title. The photos are on page 56.

Also viewable online, on page 53 of the same book, is a map showing the KR&C Railroad and it's route into the Turkey Foot/War Fork area.

http://books.google.com/books...
well let me tell ya

Mckee, KY

#27 Jun 25, 2010
when were the last ones taken up, and why

“Plumb Tickled To Death!”

Since: Mar 09

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#28 Jun 25, 2010
For the Kentucky, Rockcastel, & Cumberland Railroad, the information saying it was abandoned in sections, that from Turkey Foot to Wild Dog about 1923, Wild Dog for three miles north in 1930, and the remaining eight miles in 1935 is all I have. I think it was abandoned due to it being owned by the company that logged Turkey Foot and due to all the timber being depleted in that area.
I'm not sure when the track was actually taken up. It is pretty common to find the metal spikes still yet.

As for the Rockcastle River Railway used by Bond-Foley, I think it was probably abandoned due to depletion of the timber also. Kentucky Highway 30, from Tyner to East Bernstadt, was built where the old Rockcastle Railway tracks where. Not too long ago the old telegraph lines, with those old glass insulators, ran along beside Highway 30. Some of them may still be there, I really haven't paid any attention lately.

well let me tell ya

Mckee, KY

#29 Jun 25, 2010
Thanks Hones Babe, you are always so informative. I am not native to JC but have lived here since 99 I was 13 Im 24 now and I love learning about the history of the county because I dont have any roots from here to pass along things like that. I guess the timber runing out was kind of common sense as to why the tracks were taken up. I just thought they would have been used for something else. When ya think about it I guess there really wouldnt be much else to use em for. I was raised in Harlan and they got all kinds of railroads for the mines.
Caspar

Waneta, KY

#30 Jun 25, 2010
I thought I was one of the few that know the history of T foot an Bond Foley.My dad and uncles worked for the mill up until it relocated.My grandpa worked in the mines up until he broke his back somehow there.By the way anyone been to the old mines[4 or 5 best I remember] up from the slate bank just past the spring?Its been over 20yrs since I was there last and you could still have walked in them if you were brave enough[not me though lol].As for the ghost pic that was took probably 20 odd yrs go and forgot about the film till I ran into it in a bunch of old stuff .Took it and had it developed and that pic blew my mind alone with others on it.But if its a ghost or just old film or the light I dont know cant answer.But if I had seen it[ghost] when the photo was taken I would probably still be running.Also I believe the movie was 3men and a baby[not real sure] in one scene theres a little boy behind a curtain.Then when the camera pans by it again in a few seconds hes gone.So as far as the ghost believe it or dont believe it I could care less.Its something I cant explain and it wasnt there when the pic was taken.When I get the time[Im on the road up to 2 weeks at a time sometimes]Ill post more old pics from T foot.May even have one of the old train with my dad and more workers at that time.Till then GODSPEED watch out for the boogey mem or women LOL.
Goodwater

United States

#31 Jun 25, 2010
My last text didn't post and I sure don't feel like going back through it now. That PO'd me. Maybe more later.

“Plumb Tickled To Death!”

Since: Mar 09

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#32 Jun 26, 2010
well let me tell ya wrote:
Thanks Hones Babe, you are always so informative. I am not native to JC but have lived here since 99 I was 13 Im 24 now and I love learning about the history of the county because I dont have any roots from here to pass along things like that. I guess the timber runing out was kind of common sense as to why the tracks were taken up. I just thought they would have been used for something else. When ya think about it I guess there really wouldnt be much else to use em for. I was raised in Harlan and they got all kinds of railroads for the mines.
Well thank you. Really, you would think they would have left the railroads for some other use, especially since so much work probably went into building them. I suppose since they weren't through railroads, but just ended near McKee and Turkey Foot, probably had a lot to do with it though. I don't know if the Kentucky, Rockcastle, and Cumberland ever carried passengers, but the Bond-Foley train was used a lot by people traveling between McKee and London.

With you growing up in Harlan, I'm sure trains/railroads are extremely common to you. When I was very young, and with there being no tracks in Jackson County, trains were quite a curiosity to me. Occasionally, if the weather conditions were right, you could hear the horn from the train at Heidelberg in Lee County. Considering that was quite a good distance away, it always seemed a bit odd. LOL, that was the closest a train ever came to being in Jackson County in my lifetime :)

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I'm looking forward to 'Caspar' and 'Goodwater' posting more. Very sorry to hear 'Goodwater' lost a post. That happened to me a few times. Since then, I usually type any posts longer than just a few sentences in Notepad, then copy and paste them onto Topix.
miss priss

London, KY

#33 Jun 26, 2010
whether it is real or not I think It is really neat! cool pic!:)
me too

Winchester, KY

#34 Jul 21, 2010
This pic is fake. My nephew is a professional photographer. He has done this type of thing alot of times. It's an allusion. ( or something like that)
pranksta

Annville, KY

#35 Jul 22, 2010
yeah. anyone with even the junky editing software could pull that off. it seems to be some cild between the ages of 7-13 trying to pull a baby prank on people that have no clue the world is round.

sure we love you kid cause we have to, but its kind of like you called us stupid by thinking we would believe this. go back to the drawing board.

oh yeah, leave off the fading around the corners next time and make the ghost smaller and it may be MORE belieeeeevable

i left off the period of that last paragraph and didn't capitalize so you would have something to complain to me about and in case you have low self-esteem and need something to make you feel better.
Sun-N-Surf

Thailand

#36 Aug 22, 2010
This is okay photo editing but it doesn't look very convincing. The ghost seems to be too out of proportion. But it's a fun topic and I'm glad the person put this up. It's been fun reading.
one

Chesterfield, MO

#37 Aug 23, 2010
i like this picture. if its fake it looks sppoky anyway. glad the person put it on here.

“The truth in masquerade”

Since: May 10

Lexington, KY

#38 Aug 26, 2010
I say its fake!!!!!!!!!!
jhc38401 at bellsouth net

Prospect, TN

#39 Sep 27, 2010
"Goodwater">Sure there were trains in Turkey Foot and several other places in Jackson County. My uncle who is deceased now, rest his soul, had pictures of the old trains loaded with logs.... I can't promise anything but I will try to locate some of those pictures and post them. I'm sure they're still in the family somewhere. It's just a matter of locating them.
My great grandfather and great grandmother both worked at Turkey Foot. I've been trying to put together as much information as I can about it. I'd love to have copies of the pictures you have and anything else. Nothing is too small or unimportant.
Names of people, what they did, anything at all.
One thing you might be interested in this that there was a workman trapped between 2 log cars. Log cars then didn't have the couplers used now, but a "Link and Pin". When one car was to be hooked to another a man had to stand between the cars and hold up the link, align it with a hole on the other car and drop in the pin. There was enough space for a man to stand between the 2 cars bumped together, but you can imagine trying to get all this done while the car(s) were in motion or moved while you were doing it.
There was a man at Turkey Foot who got caught (as in squashed) between 2 cars. The way I understood it he lived until the cars were pulled apart. He is buried at the New Zion cemetery. The stone is square and about 3' tall upright with a rounded top, rounded from all 4 sides, that is.
cherry lebois

San Antonio, TX

#40 Oct 20, 2012
apparently this ghost liked Madonna,that 80s look lol

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