McAllen Texas Students Forced to Recite Mexican Pledge and National Anthem

Oct 17, 2011 | Posted by: Agent of Chaos | Full story: www.theblaze.com

Students in a Texas public high school were made to stand up and recite the Mexican national anthem and Mexican pledge of allegiance as part of a Spanish class assignment, but the school district maintains there was nothing wrong with the lesson.

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An American citizen should never be required under any circumstances, to pledge allegiance to another country.

The United States Oath of Allegiance (officially referred to as the "Oath of Allegiance," 8 C.F.R. Part 337 (2008)) is an oath that must be taken by all immigrants who wish to become United States citizens. The first officially recorded Oaths of Allegiance were made on May 30, 1778 at Valley Forge, during the Revolutionary War.
The current oath is as follows:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.[1]

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This entire article from the headline right through to the end of the article is very misleading. It suggests that the entire student body was forced to participate, which isn't correct. Then the students in the Spanish class were only encouraged to participate...yet the article insinuates that they faced consequences if they opted out.

It's clear that this like many other stories are blown out of proportion to instigate more intolerance of anything pertaining to Mexicans. The disdain for Mexicans and intolerance of foreign studies that involve Mexico have risen to an all time high.

Clearly part of learning a foreign language involves practicing the language, and as for the dates...I believe it was more due to the significance of September 16th in Mexican history. The assignment is being made out to be something offensive because of the anniversary of September 11th...that's one hell of a stretch.

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This entire article from the headline right through to the end of the article is very misleading. It suggests that the entire student body was forced to participate, which isn't correct. Then the students in the Spanish class were only encouraged to participate...yet the article insinuates that they faced consequences if they opted out.
It's clear that this like many other stories are blown out of proportion to instigate more intolerance of anything pertaining to Mexicans. The disdain for Mexicans and intolerance of foreign studies that involve Mexico have risen to an all time high.
Clearly part of learning a foreign language involves practicing the language, and as for the dates...I believe it was more due to the significance of September 16th in Mexican history. The assignment is being made out to be something offensive because of the anniversary of September 11th...that's one hell of a stretch.
SB, I was just informed by a poster (Ralff) on another thread that his wife who recently took the oath, did not have to renounce her citizenship of her home country. He also posted the Oath from the INS site which I am more inclined to believe then the wiki site I used.
I don't have a problem with dual citizenship nor do I have a problem with the students learning the National Anthem of the country they are studying. I do, however, have a problem with an American child, living in America actually pledging allegiance to that country and that is clearly what was being done. The extended arm is the same as when we place our hand over our heart and pledge allegiance to our country.
I believe you should only pledge allegiance to the country where you hold that allegiance. Had they only been required to learn the words and recite them, that would have been different then actually making the pledge. Just my opinion.

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SB, I was just informed by a poster (Ralff) on another thread that his wife who recently took the oath, did not have to renounce her citizenship of her home country. He also posted the Oath from the INS site which I am more inclined to believe then the wiki site I used.
I don't have a problem with dual citizenship nor do I have a problem with the students learning the National Anthem of the country they are studying. I do, however, have a problem with an American child, living in America actually pledging allegiance to that country and that is clearly what was being done. The extended arm is the same as when we place our hand over our heart and pledge allegiance to our country.
I believe you should only pledge allegiance to the country where you hold that allegiance. Had they only been required to learn the words and recite them, that would have been different then actually making the pledge. Just my opinion.
My comment wasn't in response to yours nor did I vote on your comment. As a matter of fact, no offense intended either, but I didn't read your previous comment. I was merely stating what I gathered from this biased article, as it is deliberately askew to create the false impression that the students were forced, which clearly wasn't the case. The instructor gave an assignment and encouraged the students to participate in a one time event. No harm, no foul. Now if they were expected to do this repeatedly other than to learn the vocabulary for this assignment, then I'd take issue with it; however, I'm not going to assume that they were expected to be pledging allegiance in earnest to any foreign nation. I think it's blowing things out of proportion.

There's enough litigation going on still with regard to children being forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US tied up in the courts currently...and now many American citizens even opt out of participation or their parents opt them out in writing due to the fact that it makes reference to God. Hence, I don't believe that any student was being "forced" as this periodical states. I don't condone misinformation being circulated & that was the extent of my comment.

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My comment wasn't in response to yours nor did I vote on your comment. As a matter of fact, no offense intended either, but I didn't read your previous comment. I was merely stating what I gathered from this biased article, as it is deliberately askew to create the false impression that the students were forced, which clearly wasn't the case. The instructor gave an assignment and encouraged the students to participate in a one time event. No harm, no foul. Now if they were expected to do this repeatedly other than to learn the vocabulary for this assignment, then I'd take issue with it; however, I'm not going to assume that they were expected to be pledging allegiance in earnest to any foreign nation. I think it's blowing things out of proportion.
There's enough litigation going on still with regard to children being forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US tied up in the courts currently...and now many American citizens even opt out of participation or their parents opt them out in writing due to the fact that it makes reference to God. Hence, I don't believe that any student was being "forced" as this periodical states. I don't condone misinformation being circulated & that was the extent of my comment.
I'm not taking offence, I'm just explaining how I feel about the situation. We are at a time like no other when we desperately need to stand up for our country and what we believe in and allegiance to my country is one of my beliefs. I'm not saying I approve of our government but it's still my country and many generations of my family have fought for and some died for her and for my right to those beliefs.

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I'm not taking offence, I'm just explaining how I feel about the situation. We are at a time like no other when we desperately need to stand up for our country and what we believe in and allegiance to my country is one of my beliefs. I'm not saying I approve of our government but it's still my country and many generations of my family have fought for and some died for her and for my right to those beliefs.
Many generations of my family have also served in the various branches of the US military; hence, they sacrificed their lives in service of our nation...which is even more the reason that I take issue with various news medias blowing things out of proportion just to sensationalize an incident to sell more papers or to gain more support for their agenda. Almost all Americans give their allegiance to the USA, but we shouldn't dismiss the fact that many foreigners have also pledged allegiance to the USA and have served in our military too.

As I've already stated, this was clearly a classroom assignment that is receiving far too much attention; yet, it's a perfect example of how far many on the same side of this issue as I (anti-illegal immigration) are willing to go to push their agenda. I don't condone illegal immigration any more than I condone these types of methods that this particular periodical is utilizing. It taints their credibility. It's as deceitful as some of the pretenses that were pushed (more misinformation) that put us in Iran. I didn't condone those gross distortions of "truth" either.

I realize I have a persistent troll going through & voting all my comments unfavorably because of their disdain; however, I also know that there are many people who often agree with my comments & that I don't waffle on the issues and appreciate the fact that I don't resort to racist comments either. In closing, I'll just state that I understand your point but just wanted to clarify that I meant no offense & wasn't responding to you directly. People (particularly this persistent troll) uses several monikers accusing me of being deliberately rude to everyone, which isn't the case at all. I just wanted you to know that. No more, no less. Thanks Twink. Good night.

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I didn't see this article and video until just now. I made my initial response on another thread but had only seen the Glenn Beck interview with the protesting girl's Father.

I have say seeing this now left me with an uneasy feeling watching them do a pledge other than than ours. I didn't like it. I really wanted to get a better perspective on the teachers motive for this assignment.

As I proposed on the other thread, was this to compare our pledge and theirs, to learn similarities and differences? What were the students meant to get from this? I think it's an unnecessary assignment and not the best idea on the instructors part. It does make a difference that no one was forced to do this but I can't help but think the motive was deliberate.

Would it make a difference if this was a class on Italian or French and they were asked to recite their pledge? More questions than answers.lol

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My apologies, Twink, for my typo: It should have read IRAQ.

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My apologies, Twink, for my typo: It should have read IRAQ.
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I didn't see this article and video until just now. I made my initial response on another thread but had only seen the Glenn Beck interview with the protesting girl's Father.
I have say seeing this now left me with an uneasy feeling watching them do a pledge other than than ours. I didn't like it. I really wanted to get a better perspective on the teachers motive for this assignment.
As I proposed on the other thread, was this to compare our pledge and theirs, to learn similarities and differences? What were the students meant to get from this? I think it's an unnecessary assignment and not the best idea on the instructors part. It does make a difference that no one was forced to do this but I can't help but think the motive was deliberate.
Would it make a difference if this was a class on Italian or French and they were asked to recite their pledge? More questions than answers.lol
I cannot speak for anyone else but it would make no difference to me what country it was. If we as individuals are not loyal to the traditions of our country, who is going to speak up for us?
SB has some good points about the media and their thirst for sensationalizing and Glen Beck is at the top of the list.
I had a very close friend who had an airplane crash a few years ago and the news media had him flying out of South Georgia, lots of cash on him, no flight plan filed with the FCC, and an unidentified woman in the plane with him. Sounds like a drug runner and his floozie.
He was a very well off business man, he did not use credit cards and always carried a good bit of cash on him, they had been to South Georgia to visit family for Christmas and the plane was loaded with gifts they had brought back, and the woman who was conscious when she was taken from the plane was his wife of 35 years.
One news man who had ridden in motorcycle charity events with him gave the other news media hell for their reporting but not one of them ever printed a retraction or an apology.
Fortunately, they both survived but he had thrown himself in front of his wife and the dash had the indentation of his head. Multiple skull fractures and although he recovered, he was never quite himself again.

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I cannot speak for anyone else but it would make no difference to me what country it was. If we as individuals are not loyal to the traditions of our country, who is going to speak up for us?
SB has some good points about the media and their thirst for sensationalizing and Glen Beck is at the top of the list.
I had a very close friend who had an airplane crash a few years ago and the news media had him flying out of South Georgia, lots of cash on him, no flight plan filed with the FCC, and an unidentified woman in the plane with him. Sounds like a drug runner and his floozie.
He was a very well off business man, he did not use credit cards and always carried a good bit of cash on him, they had been to South Georgia to visit family for Christmas and the plane was loaded with gifts they had brought back, and the woman who was conscious when she was taken from the plane was his wife of 35 years.
One news man who had ridden in motorcycle charity events with him gave the other news media hell for their reporting but not one of them ever printed a retraction or an apology.
Fortunately, they both survived but he had thrown himself in front of his wife and the dash had the indentation of his head. Multiple skull fractures and although he recovered, he was never quite himself again.
I agree with her as well on the media and maybe my initial gut reaction was a result of the article being slightly misleading .. I don't know. I just just got an uneasy feeling watching those kids do that pledge and I truly have nothing against Mexico or Mexicans, I'm Hispanic myself.

I still question the motive of such a strange assignment. I'm not a teacher so maybe it's all completely harmless. I just found it strange that they would be asked to learn the pledge of allegiance to another country. Why not learn our pledge in spanish? lOL

I think SB makes a good point, on the grand scale of issues on the plate of Americans this is probably something meant to attract attention toward a specific agenda..and it kind of worked. It made me nervous seeing them doing that pledge and fear is a strong motivator. I always seem to end up with more questions than answers on my posts. I know they're wishy washy. lol

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I agree with her as well on the media and maybe my initial gut reaction was a result of the article being slightly misleading .. I don't know. I just just got an uneasy feeling watching those kids do that pledge and I truly have nothing against Mexico or Mexicans, I'm Hispanic myself.
I still question the motive of such a strange assignment. I'm not a teacher so maybe it's all completely harmless. I just found it strange that they would be asked to learn the pledge of allegiance to another country. Why not learn our pledge in spanish? lOL
I think SB makes a good point, on the grand scale of issues on the plate of Americans this is probably something meant to attract attention toward a specific agenda..and it kind of worked. It made me nervous seeing them doing that pledge and fear is a strong motivator. I always seem to end up with more questions than answers on my posts. I know they're wishy washy. lol
If you don't ask the question, you will never get an answer.

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This entire article from the headline right through to the end of the article is very misleading. It suggests that the entire student body was forced to participate, which isn't correct. Then the students in the Spanish class were only encouraged to participate...yet the article insinuates that they faced consequences if they opted out.
It's clear that this like many other stories are blown out of proportion to instigate more intolerance of anything pertaining to Mexicans. The disdain for Mexicans and intolerance of foreign studies that involve Mexico have risen to an all time high.
Clearly part of learning a foreign language involves practicing the language, and as for the dates...I believe it was more due to the significance of September 16th in Mexican history. The assignment is being made out to be something offensive because of the anniversary of September 11th...that's one hell of a stretch.
What do you expect? With much of today's media outlets, the ends justify the means. No morals or ethics is what passes in their business these days, and that is why we have to rely on foreign journalist like the Guardian or BBC for truth.

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American Students Forced to Say Pledge to Mexican Flag

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None of them should have had to do that assignment. Either part of it. The girl did the right thing in refusing it. Whether it was an absolute requirement or not is not the point here. That doesn't matter. What does matter here is that both can be considered and allegiance to another country.

There is no problem with learning about other cultures in the language being learned about. If the Anthem or even the Pledge absolutely has to be a requirement of the class... it should be Our Anthem in that country's language and Our Pledge in that country's language. That goes for any country... not just Mexico.
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As the teacher's so into Mexico's independence instead of ours, the teacher should move to Mexico. The young woman who refused to participate was on the news, live this morning. She found fault with this unbelievable teacher's actions as it was independence week, meaning OURS!

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