New London Shelter Reluctant To Enfor...

New London Shelter Reluctant To Enforce Breath-Test Rule

There are 50 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Aug 16, 2008, titled New London Shelter Reluctant To Enforce Breath-Test Rule. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

GEORGE HERNANDEZ, originally of the Bronx, N.Y., says it would not bother him to be asked to take a Breathalyzer test for admission to the New London Homeless Hospitality Center's shelter at St.

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JBC

Greenfield, MA

#1 Aug 16, 2008
A shelter is for people who cannot control their diseases - and alcoholism is a disease.

They should be let in and taken care of, and required to seek treatment.
Darwin

East Haven, CT

#2 Aug 16, 2008
JBC wrote:
A shelter is for people who cannot control their diseases - and alcoholism is a disease.
They should be let in and taken care of, and required to seek treatment.
BALONEY .... a shelter is a place for people down on their luck and needing help .... the shelter has a right to keep the drunks and druggies out to protect the other people who need it as well as their own staff ..... drunks want to be helped ... let them go to rehab ...

Since: Apr 07

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#3 Aug 16, 2008
JBC wrote:
A shelter is for people who cannot control their diseases - and alcoholism is a disease.
They should be let in and taken care of, and required to seek treatment.
There is also a lack of control of their tempers and bladders. Not a pretty sight either way. So children should be exposed to this?
jeff

United States

#4 Aug 16, 2008
These shelters are horrible places, I suppose the government would rather these bums be stagerring on the streets then ending up in the jail. I suppose it gives the purpose to maintain so man jail beds. I had a chuckle when ht eguy had a tiff with the landlord and it spilled onto his credit report. Why no say he failed to pay his rent, 23 and living in a stinken shelter, how depressing
doityourselfweat her com

United States

#5 Aug 16, 2008
Speaking of "shelters" what's happened to the VIP man with houses in three states and one in Ireland ... The Countywide guy who was going to show us the paper work? The Doddger!
Where's the Courant on this? I haven't seen a follow-up. Are we going to get one? Or is the Courant in bed with Dodd at one of his spacious shelters?
hmr

Enfield, CT

#6 Aug 16, 2008
Where are the souls who are addicted and homeless supposed to go? Rehab facilities would not take them in unless they had insurance or money to pay for their care. And the success rate of keeping addicts clean and healthy is very poor. I read an article the other day that George Clooney passed a homeless person begging for money and he gave him a handout; His friend with him questioned why he would give him money just to buy more booze or drugs, and Mr. Clooney remarked "Well, he needs it"! Some people have lost their spirit, but as long as their bodies continue to exist, whose responsibility is it to see that they are treated with dignity and compassion? No easy answers for complex problems. I agree with post number one. It is a disease and addiction is not prejudice. It could be your loved one.
C Robert Satti Sr

United States

#7 Aug 16, 2008
"But city council member John Maynard, who introduced the proposal to keep the shelter "dry," said he is also fighting for the homeless."

Yeah right.

The council has no jurisdiction unless they won the shelter.

It is an abuse of power.
C Robert Satti Sr

United States

#8 Aug 16, 2008
"The city does not provide funding for the shelter, but is allowing it to stay open as an emergency shelter without the necessary zoning approvals."

No excuse to abuse power.
Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet

Brewster, NY

#9 Aug 16, 2008
This is the same town council that thumbed its nose at the Constitution and seized private property for commercial development. It's no surprise this same group of subversive Nazis approved something like this.
Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet

Brewster, NY

#10 Aug 16, 2008
Middletown Joe wrote:
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There is also a lack of control of their tempers and bladders. Not a pretty sight either way. So children should be exposed to this?
We already have laws against public drunkenness and creating a disturbance. No need for this invasive mandate.
Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet

Brewster, NY

#11 Aug 16, 2008
It assumes guilt. It's wrong.
C Robert Satti Sr

United States

#12 Aug 16, 2008
Konnecticut_Better_Yet wrote:
This is the same town council that thumbed its nose at the Constitution and seized private property for commercial development. It's no surprise this same group of subversive Nazis approved something like this.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet

Brewster, NY

#13 Aug 16, 2008
C Robert Satti Sr wrote:
"But city council member John Maynard, who introduced the proposal to keep the shelter "dry," said he is also fighting for the homeless."
Yeah right.
The council has no jurisdiction unless they won the shelter.
It is an abuse of power.
They're officials in the boundaries of the state of Connecticut. They have jurisdiction over everything and anything.
ricbee

United States

#14 Aug 16, 2008
The city wants to tell everyone what to do,but I'd like to see them enforce it at this time of year.I am sure that the vast majority are drunks & dopers who just need a flop & the banker boy & others would feel a lot safer without them. Of course,".15" would be a lot fairer-".08" is just so they can make more arrests.
C Robert Satti Sr

United States

#15 Aug 16, 2008
The council has no jurisdiction unless they own the shelter.

It is an abuse of power.

Also, the Breathalyzer is not accurate enough to provide constitutional evidence.

These units are not accurate.

.08 is the legal limit. But it might say .08 when it is .0780 or something like that.

They are not accurate enough even after being calibrated.

You cannot use relative alcohol readings as solid evidence.
C Robert Satti Sr

United States

#16 Aug 16, 2008
Konnecticut_Better_Yet wrote:
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They're officials in the boundaries of the state of Connecticut. They have jurisdiction over everything and anything.
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Not true. The council has no power to force a shelter to engage in searches. The shelter is not publically owned or funded by the city.
Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet

Brewster, NY

#17 Aug 16, 2008
C Robert Satti Sr wrote:
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Not true. The council has no power to force a shelter to engage in searches. The shelter is not publically owned or funded by the city.
I was being facetious!
C Robert Satti Sr

United States

#18 Aug 16, 2008
We know the truth, but the sheeple continue to elect the same corrupt politicians.

I guess New London put in the same categorie as Hartford and Helena, Arkansas.

The public officials in these cities will do just whatever they want and to hell with the Constitution.

Sad.
GrayPlayer

Granby, CT

#19 Aug 16, 2008
What about a breathalyzer test for business men on a three martini lunch. Or construction workers finishing a six pack. What is good for one is good for all. Why discriminate against these souls.

Oh, they are state and federally funded. Then what about contracts that are federally funded by states and the federal government.

Add teachers, police, firemen, doctors, lawyers, candlestick makers and any state or federal employes.
Shawn M Lang

West Hartford, CT

#20 Aug 16, 2008
Many shelters operate what's called "wet" shelters where people who have been drinking or drugging can stay as long as their behavior isn't a problem. Turning people away because they fail some arbitrary breathalyzer sends them back out onto the streets, under the bridges, or worse. These are the least among us who need the most help and support. It sounds like the shelter has it's priorities on straight and is being railroaded by some misguided sity council people. It's a shame, and a dangerous precedent. Last year in that area of the state, a man named Danny froze to death in the woods. You'd think they'd keep that in mind before tossing down draconian measures.

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