Graves County High School Basketball
ryan

Mayfield, KY

#21 Mar 24, 2013
Yes they have kids on the bench that are great players but don't have a chance.They keep the same ones in most of the game.You got to have some pull I believe that.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#22 Mar 24, 2013
After reading everyones comments I see that I wasn't just imagining things that afternoon. And my ears must have heard right. It is truly a shame that sports in our schools has turned so corrupt. Sounds like government doesn't it? With such an unfair sports program what else could be going on? Seems to me like the parents could demand fairness by asking for public try outs for the team. Let the public decide. That way maybe everyone would at least have a chance.Vote and see which boys gets the votes. Would that be fair? Or would this lead to pay-offs or huge groups for one person to make sure they got in? There has to be a way to make these things fair.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#23 Mar 24, 2013
Poor kids, rich kids, son of a teacher or whomever. It should be more fair. Think I will contact some higher ups than those in Graves County and see what they have to say. Maybe if some others do this also we might just make a difference and help some good kids that love the sport and deserve a chance.
Parent

Hickory, KY

#24 Mar 24, 2013
Roger wrote:
Poor kids, rich kids, son of a teacher or whomever. It should be more fair. Think I will contact some higher ups than those in Graves County and see what they have to say. Maybe if some others do this also we might just make a difference and help some good kids that love the sport and deserve a chance.
since 1986 I have witnessed great players that were benched and some who were great that did not make the team. They would have been impact players any place else. winning is important for sure but winning at all costs when children are involved is wrong. Frankly the GCHS Machine has not lived up to what it was sold as back in the eighties, Which was a state champ every year, beat mayfield every year dynasty. Bigger is not always better. GLAD you out there Roger.
GC parent

Hickory, KY

#25 Mar 24, 2013
Every coach has something different in mind as to what kind of player he wants. Graves is big enough that the coach can put together the kind of team he thinks he can win with. Does this leave out some really talented players? Absolutely. There can only be one team. As for potential, once you reach ninth grade it's too late for potential. The coaches do not have time to teach you basic skills as this point. As for being a good shooter in a tryout, I've seen kids that could hit all day long but put them in a game and they get eaten alive. I've been around sports for many years now. Find what your kid can make it in and steer them in that direction. If he is good enough to play for gc he will, if not, he won't.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#26 Mar 25, 2013
GC Parent I can't help but to pick out your comment for further discussion. "As for potential, once you reach ninth grade it's too late for potential" This is not correct and should never be accepted. Just because a student comes from 8th into 9th you are the same as saying that it's over for them. Not at all. This can be where they start. Not all students need to be trained from the bottom up if they have played basketball since they were able to walk but just never been on a team. They have honed their skills all their life basically. Even more so than some who are on teams as the chosen ones by standing in the system rather than talent. How can a coach possibly know what each hopeful can contribute to a team if he's not watched them move about with a team or group? That is impossible. A coach can not know the qualities of a player, what they can contribute to a tem, what their ambitions are, how well they can be a team player, and so many other thigs that makes up a good team by just looking at someone or checking to see where their parents stand in the system. So very wrong.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#27 Mar 25, 2013
Over the years I have heard talk now and then about the sports teams in schools and how crooked they are ran but, not having a son or daughter who played, I really did not think much about it. I understand now that sports is not for the kids but for the adults who want to be noticed for one reason or another. I use to be for the team where my nieces and nephews attended school but not any more and never will be again. I have spent money to support sports and other things where the students were selling things to raise funds. I will never again waste my money. Recently was the strawberry sales to help raise funds. I can not and will not support a school that is not fair and does not treat all students with the same respect. I am a nobody and I accept that and I am very disappointed with what I have recently found out especially about the basketball program. I did not want to believe it could be true but after reading all the comments so far, I have been convinced it is true.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#28 Mar 25, 2013
Another thought just crossed my mind and that is about the big schools. I always believed the small schools had more to offer each student and now I am convinsed even more so. Before Graves County schools came together into one big school everyone was talking about how much better it would be and there are more oppertunities for students in a big school. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The big schools have seperated the kids into groups largly based on who you are, who you know or who you are related to that has some pull. What brand sneakers you wore, what kind of car your parents drove and all the rest. Our small schools were so friendly and caring and each student was just that, a student, not a number on a computer system. I think allowing a big school to take over was a huge mistake and people were possibly misled a bit. You can't offer more in a school that is to big for it's britches. Small schools treated students very well and everyone had a name. It wasn't so important what brand clothes you wore and those who did have nice things were not always met with jelousy but rather the wow factor. Poorer students were just as important as those who were not. Oh how we have let what we had slip through our fingers and now so many students are paying a high price for that mistake.
GATA

Tucker, GA

#29 Mar 25, 2013
Roger I am a former player at Graves County. My parents didn't have a name or money and I played. I had issues with a coach is the reason why I quit, but as for who you are or were you come from your wrong. We had tryouts the same way and believe me there were players that were GOOD and got cut as well as one who wasn't good.
Parent

Hickory, KY

#30 Mar 25, 2013
GC parent wrote:
Every coach has something different in mind as to what kind of player he wants. Graves is big enough that the coach can put together the kind of team he thinks he can win with. Does this leave out some really talented players? Absolutely. There can only be one team. As for potential, once you reach ninth grade it's too late for potential. The coaches do not have time to teach you basic skills as this point. As for being a good shooter in a tryout, I've seen kids that could hit all day long but put them in a game and they get eaten alive. I've been around sports for many years now. Find what your kid can make it in and steer them in that direction. If he is good enough to play for gc he will, if not, he won't.
You are right to a point but smaller schools have time for potential. Michael Jordan did not make the team his 10th grade year. Would you not have time for him and write him off? Sadly I think some would in Graves co. You write a kid off they may suprise you. I am sure Jordans coach was glad he gave him a 2nd chance If the deck is stacked then they cant get a second look. Even still why not be honest with the kids?
Parent

Hickory, KY

#31 Mar 25, 2013
Roger wrote:
Another thought just crossed my mind and that is about the big schools. I always believed the small schools had more to offer each student and now I am convinsed even more so. Before Graves County schools came together into one big school everyone was talking about how much better it would be and there are more oppertunities for students in a big school. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The big schools have seperated the kids into groups largly based on who you are, who you know or who you are related to that has some pull. What brand sneakers you wore, what kind of car your parents drove and all the rest. Our small schools were so friendly and caring and each student was just that, a student, not a number on a computer system. I think allowing a big school to take over was a huge mistake and people were possibly misled a bit. You can't offer more in a school that is to big for it's britches. Small schools treated students very well and everyone had a name. It wasn't so important what brand clothes you wore and those who did have nice things were not always met with jelousy but rather the wow factor. Poorer students were just as important as those who were not. Oh how we have let what we had slip through our fingers and now so many students are paying a high price for that mistake.
You are right. It may have been better to have a north and south Graves instead of all in one. Heck everyone thinks bigger is so much better unless it happened to them. And not to say Graves is all bad it is just to big. I watched a Kid who was a superstar down at Hickman county who lives in Graves he playes basketball and baseball and for some reason could not make the team here or was benched. You are right in our rush to beat mayfield every year in the eighties we built this big school and we hoped to beat them and become a state champ year end and year out. We have had some great teams but the plan has not worked as well as the powers that be would have liked. Not one of these folks thought about the cost to some of the kids and how it would affect them if they did not make it and were good enough or if they were benched and how it would affect there self concept. It was all about winning Period.If a few kids get hurt in the process so what. BIGGER is not always better.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#32 Mar 26, 2013
"BIGGER is not always better" Amen my friend those words are gold.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#33 Mar 26, 2013
Learning what I have lately has prompted me to think that money was the backbone to the Graves County Basketball team. Someone said the schools were joined into one because a State Championship was wanted. Why should that be more important than fairness to the students, honesty and education? How can students be taught the importance of honesty when their own school doesn't practice it with parents and students? As far as I am concerned getting rid of the basketball program would be a blessing. Either that or starting all over and doing it right. Hire coaches that are for the kids and who will teach good sportsmanship and ignore adults with greed in their pocket. I've seen enough to convince me that the Basketball program at Graves County High School is underhanded and ran by people who only want a win at any cost no matter who will be hurt. Not at all anything to back or be proud of. One thing for sure. There should never be try-out's allowed due to the fact they mean nothing and are only for show. Predetermining who will be on the team is as low as you can go when you publicly announce try outs knowing that the names are already chosen. Very few can be on a team I understand that but do this right and with complete honest intentions toward the students or not at all.
terry

Mayfield, KY

#34 Mar 26, 2013
Roger wrote:
Learning what I have lately has prompted me to think that money was the backbone to the Graves County Basketball team. Someone said the schools were joined into one because a State Championship was wanted. Why should that be more important than fairness to the students, honesty and education? How can students be taught the importance of honesty when their own school doesn't practice it with parents and students? As far as I am concerned getting rid of the basketball program would be a blessing. Either that or starting all over and doing it right. Hire coaches that are for the kids and who will teach good sportsmanship and ignore adults with greed in their pocket. I've seen enough to convince me that the Basketball program at Graves County High School is underhanded and ran by people who only want a win at any cost no matter who will be hurt. Not at all anything to back or be proud of. One thing for sure. There should never be try-out's allowed due to the fact they mean nothing and are only for show. Predetermining who will be on the team is as low as you can go when you publicly announce try outs knowing that the names are already chosen. Very few can be on a team I understand that but do this right and with complete honest intentions toward the students or not at all.
It is high school basketball, it isn't little league. The goal is to win. If you don't win you don't have a job long. I think you are blowing this out of proportion, yes they want to win but they are picking the best players, predetermined or not. This team this year, they started they best 5. They don't have a state championship but the do have 8 Region Titles. More than anyone else in the same time. It is very hard to win a state title in basketball in KY since there is only 1.
They must be doing something right. Every high school team already knows who is going to make it, but they hold a try out just in case they find that diamond in the rough.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#35 Mar 26, 2013
terry wrote:
<quoted text>
It is high school basketball, it isn't little league. The goal is to win. If you don't win you don't have a job long. I think you are blowing this out of proportion, yes they want to win but they are picking the best players, predetermined or not. This team this year, they started they best 5. They don't have a state championship but the do have 8 Region Titles. More than anyone else in the same time. It is very hard to win a state title in basketball in KY since there is only 1.
They must be doing something right. Every high school team already knows who is going to make it, but they hold a try out just in case they find that diamond in the rough.
Question-Do you have child playing? If so can you be objective? How can a coach possibly know if they could have a diamond in the rough if they do not watch them play? Doesn't add up.Others, like myself, know this is fixed.
Parent

Hickory, KY

#36 Mar 26, 2013
terry wrote:
<quoted text>
It is high school basketball, it isn't little league. The goal is to win. If you don't win you don't have a job long. I think you are blowing this out of proportion, yes they want to win but they are picking the best players, predetermined or not. This team this year, they started they best 5. They don't have a state championship but the do have 8 Region Titles. More than anyone else in the same time. It is very hard to win a state title in basketball in KY since there is only 1.
They must be doing something right. Every high school team already knows who is going to make it, but they hold a try out just in case they find that diamond in the rough.
Cuba did it many years ago. You are right they are a great team but could they be better with some changes and to watch the kids who are trying out could they win there first state title? Regardless of all that is it the right thing to do to be less than honest with these kids? Dont you think a better way to do this would be for those so called try outs to let these kids understand that it will be next to impossible to make it unless your are that diamond? It is not right to lie to these kids, when coaches are going to these tryouts most likely not even wanting to be there since the team is already picked for the year. In terms of the job if these coaches are mor econcerned about there small pay check for coaching then any potential damage done to a kid th3en they need to find another job. I am sure most do not do it for the money. Not onel person can be completely fare all the time but we must try to be.
Roger

Mayfield, KY

#37 Mar 27, 2013
I think the shame should come from letting these students think they have a chance when it is already known that they do not. Kids look forward to the try outs and get themselves all hiped up then have a much harder let down when they find out they were never really offered a fair chance. I say just be honest with them and cut the try outs all together. If the coaches know who they want prior to any try out why waste anyones time? I would not be a coach for any amount of money under these rules. I'll never support local sports or purchase another ticket as long as I live and will certainly let all my family and friends know about all of this. Hopefully they will do the same. Only 20 or 25 people but at least we will not support them ever again. This whole thing is shameful. Teachers and coaches are supose to be role models that help teach honesty but not in this school.
sue

Mayfield, KY

#38 Mar 27, 2013
shamful roger
Enough

Tucker, GA

#39 Mar 28, 2013
Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that Graves being as big as it is is probably the most guilty of it. Plus the mentality there is to WIN at all costs and it does not matter who you crap on to do it.
You must be forgetting about mayfield football - they put up with ANY thing to win!
Enough

Tucker, GA

#40 Mar 28, 2013
Roger wrote:
Another thought just crossed my mind and that is about the big schools. I always believed the small schools had more to offer each student and now I am convinsed even more so. Before Graves County schools came together into one big school everyone was talking about how much better it would be and there are more oppertunities for students in a big school. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The big schools have seperated the kids into groups largly based on who you are, who you know or who you are related to that has some pull. What brand sneakers you wore, what kind of car your parents drove and all the rest. Our small schools were so friendly and caring and each student was just that, a student, not a number on a computer system. I think allowing a big school to take over was a huge mistake and people were possibly misled a bit. You can't offer more in a school that is to big for it's britches. Small schools treated students very well and everyone had a name. It wasn't so important what brand clothes you wore and those who did have nice things were not always met with jelousy but rather the wow factor. Poorer students were just as important as those who were not. Oh how we have let what we had slip through our fingers and now so many students are paying a high price for that mistake.
you must be 69 or older get out of the past small schools segregate just as much as big ones ever been to Murray or mayfield- you're living in a dream world

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