Fears follow news of ranch closure

There are 110 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Mar 30, 2008, titled Fears follow news of ranch closure. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

PHOTO BY KATE GARDINER / COURTESY OF MOLOKAI TIMES A rally was held Friday by Molokai Ranch employees.

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milo

Kalaheo, HI

#1 Mar 30, 2008
I really hope that the Ranch sells the herd to Uncle Jimmy. They have a chance to do the right thing and I hope they take it.
Fishponds4Moloka i

Kalaheo, HI

#2 Mar 30, 2008
Kam and OHA time to step up. Don't throw your own people to the wolves. 200 million is a drop in the bucket. The Ranch wants out fast and now is the time to act. They don't want to lose more money or go through more permitting processes. What are you waiting for?? This is the last Hawaiian island- no more left!!

You stall now and Molokai will be the next Kahala.
jimmy

Round Rock, TX

#3 Mar 30, 2008
Good our Hawaiians got what they want. Pure Hawaiian living, isolation, family members having to leave and eating off the land. Let's see when the state wants their property taxes and the like. Guys like Ritte and others are "lolo" find the right balance and grow up.
Anonymous

United States

#4 Mar 30, 2008
Therein are the dangers of allowing any foreign entity to purchase any lands within the Kingdom of Hawai'i. We all need to regain, regroup and get them out of here. Hang in there ohana we are all being kept abreast of your plight and want you to know we care.
Wilma Brubaker

Nashville, TN

#5 Mar 30, 2008
Can OHA or Kam Schools help? One has millions, the other billions of dollars. Perhaps Kam School could build a campus on Molokai, open up teacher, coaching, janitorial, cafeteria jobs, etc. If young people have opportunities to raise their families on Molokai, there should be no problem with Kam getting students.
Anonymous

United States

#6 Mar 30, 2008
Jimmy, No this is not about good for Hawaiians. This is about how fast we Hawaiians have learned what people such as you have done in Hawaii and how you've all capitalized on our "Aloha"....... It teaches all of us a lesson that is vital. We are all learning first hand and thank you for your comment cause it further verifies your fork tongue as in what you all say is false and that there are always motives behind the words you all use. Do not gloat on your own words of "Good for Hawaiians" less you put your own foot in your mouth !!! Problem with Americans is they will forever be occupiers in other peoples lands wanting to be in control and this is one such example.
jimmy wrote:
Good our Hawaiians got what they want. Pure Hawaiian living, isolation, family members having to leave and eating off the land. Let's see when the state wants their property taxes and the like. Guys like Ritte and others are "lolo" find the right balance and grow up.
nomore

United States

#7 Mar 30, 2008
my guess is that the majority of outsiders who stay in those homes would be more than willing to accept the way of life and the people of Molokai, that is one of the reasons they would buy a home there

so I hope all the protest actually had to do with protecting the environment --- and was not about the cultural ego thing

because if this is just big cultural ego trip, then it is only the culture that gets draged down

Since: Dec 07

San Diego

#9 Mar 30, 2008
Fishponds4Molokai wrote:
Kam and OHA time to step up. Don't throw your own people to the wolves. 200 million is a drop in the bucket. The Ranch wants out fast and now is the time to act. They don't want to lose more money or go through more permitting processes. What are you waiting for?? This is the last Hawaiian island- no more left!!
You stall now and Molokai will be the next Kahala.
Ae, even though most of the billions of KSBE are inbedded in investments and not liquid, it and OHA are in a fronline position to start a revival of Moloka'i. It would take time but it can be done. Even if Guocco had been in the black it would have taken a required percentage for them to continue operations. Their terms are stiff and might really require almost total capitulation on the part of Moloka'i and the State. Their bottom line requires them to convey "My way or the highway".

Since: Sep 07

Makakilo

#10 Mar 30, 2008
Anonymous wrote:
Therein are the dangers of allowing any foreign entity to purchase any lands within the Kingdom of Hawai'i. We all need to regain, regroup and get them out of here. Hang in there ohana we are all being kept abreast of your plight and want you to know we care.
So, are you going to help your "ohana" on Molokai personally? I very much doubt it! I only see the State of Hawaii workers flying there to assist them! I think YOU need to get educated, and stop living in the past. You are part of the problem that caused this mess! Don't you hear the anger coming from the employees of Molokai Ranch? It is directed toward people like you.

You sound prejudiced in your posts. That is not the way of true Hawaiians, and not how I was raised.
Ewakahuna

United States

#11 Mar 30, 2008
"Alamihi" says it all....
Mahu

Honolulu, HI

#12 Mar 30, 2008
You should get educated yourself anonymous.

Hawaii is a conquered land and people!

Here's a short list of peoples living in a conquered land:

America - Indians, Eskimoes and Hawaiians
Australia - Aboriginies
New Zealand - Maories
Canada - Indians and Eskimoes
France - Tahitians
Japan - Ainus and Okinawans
Spain - Basks
China - Tibetians
South America - Indians
Vietnam - Hmongs

Every nation and country on the face of this earth has been conquered or has conquered others.

That is the ebb and flow of human history!

Kamehameha conquered Maui and Oahu. He pushed my relatives over the Pali for what? So that Oahu and Maui can pay "tribute" to him and his clan under the guise of "unification?" Kamehameha killed more Hawaiians than any whiteman did!

OHA, DHHL are the local government version of paying back for the whiteman's guilt except it's not the haoli that's paying, it's ALL Hawaii residents that's paying!

Why don't you teach this fact on your website? The truth hurts doesn't it?
Mahu

Honolulu, HI

#13 Mar 30, 2008
History says that Kamehameha captured my Chief of Oahu and took him back to the Big Island for "Sacrifice". Sounds like kidnap and murder to me!
nomore

United States

#14 Mar 30, 2008
Ewakahuna wrote:
"Alamihi" says it all....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
OnMaui

Richmond, VA

#15 Mar 30, 2008
I love Molokai, but from what I've seen there, they want to "live off the land" the same way Dick Cheney wants to hunt: high powered rifles, 4x4 trucks, and cell phones. This is not "living off the land." This is not Ni`ihau.

The apparently preferred lifestyle on Moloka`i requires a good deal of gas (and wages to buy it) and other interstate/international commerce (and infrastructure to support it). It is not fair to attribute the desire to "go back to the land" to everyone on Moloka`i. Many people live there for many different reasons, even people who neither hunt nor fish.

A non-profit purchasing the land is a great thing for the land, but it does little for the people who need and want jobs and wages. A wind farm is nice, but it does not create many jobs. The tension between the pro- and anti-Ranch groups is just the most recent example of the real struggle for Moloka`i. The last (I remember) was the snit over McAfee's land auction, and before that the cruise ships docking.

These are real issues for day-to-day life on Moloka`i, but the deeper struggle is within. Will the "back to the land" types eventually drive away everyone who doesn't agree with their vision? And when they do, how will they pay for their vehicles and gas?

I wish for more open space and less development, too. I wish for a slower pace and more aloha. It is a rare thing, though, when those things do not come with a higher price than most can afford.
Julie Lopez

Honolulu, HI

#16 Mar 30, 2008
I believe the media is blowing this way out of proportion. All of this negative information about the layoff scared my mother on Maui. First of all, George Washington , Thomas Jefferson where all activists , founding fathers of our country.
Walter and the group many times wanted to go back to the table for discussion and Peter Nichols(Ceo) would not come back to the table. Many former employees know that the ranch never paid their employees good wages, at proverty level I might add.The Ranch is no longer a working ranch and it has not been a working ranch for last 10 years. Why would anyone believe that a foreign company would care about the people of Molokai, its CEO is from New Zealand and the Chinese Billionaire is from Malayasia. They have NO CONNECTION TO HAWAII AND IT PEOPLE. AND WHY AS AMERICANS ARE WE LETTING A FOREIGN company BULLY OUR LIVES AROUND SO THEY CAN MAKE PROFIT, WHICH DOES NOT STAY IN OUR COUNTRY.
I am disappointed in Ms Lingle for her supporting the ranch instead of being more creative and also the fact that she lived on Molokai got her political start in Molokai and knows how the people of Molokai feel about developemnet.
Molokai will survive, this issue, this was between David and Goliath and we were PONO and she Molokai has strong MANA for what is right for MOLOKAI.
Now it time to heal FOR ALL PEOPLE OF MOLOKAI.
Sustainable Technology

Columbus, OH

#18 Mar 30, 2008
As the value of the American dollar drops, American real estate is now at bargain prices for foriegn investors like GuocoLand Limited ("GLL"), a major property development and investment company based in Singapore and listed on the Singapore Exchange Limited. The principal business activities of its subsidiaries are property development, property investment and investment holding. The GLL Group has embedded operations in Singapore, China and Malaysia, as well as property interests in various countries in the region. This is on top of the Moloka'i property. Moloka'i is just spit in the wind in comparrison to thier overall porfolio. Quek Chee Hoon,
Group President & Chief Executive Officer, has never had any interest in the people or lifestyle of Moloka'i, just the bottom line, MORE MONEY, MORE MONEY! The rich get richer!
islandgirl

Eau Claire, WI

#19 Mar 30, 2008
OHA needs to take this opportunity to buy this land for the Hawaiian people. It is a lot of money but 5, 10 years from now it will be a drop in the bucket. Once this land is divided and sold to rich individuals, it will be lost again to Hawaiians. It's time to deal or no complain.
Why can't OHA own a movie theater, a gas station, a resort, a ranch and create jobs for the locals? It is being done all over the US by Native American tribes to the betterment of their peoples.
mokulua01

Portland, OR

#20 Mar 30, 2008
Mahu wrote:
You should get educated yourself anonymous.
Hawaii is a conquered land and people!
Here's a short list of peoples living in a conquered land:
America - Indians, Eskimoes and Hawaiians
Australia - Aboriginies
New Zealand - Maories
Canada - Indians and Eskimoes
France - Tahitians
Japan - Ainus and Okinawans
Spain - Basks
China - Tibetians
South America - Indians
Vietnam - Hmongs
Every nation and country on the face of this earth has been conquered or has conquered others.
That is the ebb and flow of human history!
Kamehameha conquered Maui and Oahu. He pushed my relatives over the Pali for what? So that Oahu and Maui can pay "tribute" to him and his clan under the guise of "unification?" Kamehameha killed more Hawaiians than any whiteman did!
OHA, DHHL are the local government version of paying back for the whiteman's guilt except it's not the haoli that's paying, it's ALL Hawaii residents that's paying!
Why don't you teach this fact on your website? The truth hurts doesn't it?
Didn't King Kamehameha throw Hawaiians off the Pali? Did he not go island to island conquering other Polynesians? killing them to create one Hawaii? look at your own history!
mongoose

Houston, TX

#21 Mar 30, 2008
Does Walter Ritte live on Molokai? If 24,600 acres that would have been donated to a community land trust if Laau Point had been approved why wasn't it.
Pat

United States

#22 Mar 30, 2008
Is there enough water on Moloka'i to support the proposed lots, homes, people???

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