Lonely ranch on Molokai

Lonely ranch on Molokai

There are 20 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 5, 2008, titled Lonely ranch on Molokai. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Just above the scenic but empty Kepuhi Beach at the former Kaluakoi Hotel, Ray Patterson loads cases of beer into a cooler at the West End Sundries store and worries about what will happen after today when ...

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Trash Gordon

Hilo, HI

#1 Apr 5, 2008
If the County checks carefully, they will find many areas where the ranch avoided taxes by shady book-keeping and off the book employments, zoning violations, etc. Make them pay up, fine the hell out of them, and ultimately force them to make proper economic use of the property.
Audit Walter Ritte too

Mililani, HI

#2 Apr 5, 2008
If the county looks carefully at the MILLIONS of dollars received by WALTER RITTE, they will find many areas where he did not pay tax by shady book keeping, employing his sisters, brothers, uncles, cousins, himself.. etc. Make him pay tax and show the people of Molokai where he's spending money that was suposed to be for fish ponds not his wallet.

The ranch's closure is the fault of Walter Ritte and his gang of bullies who refused to negotiate in good faith.
withdrawn

United States

#3 Apr 5, 2008
just make sure you can take care of your own mortgage and your family

never worry about the economic plight of others because it is beyond your control

politicians and protestors are just too intimidating and troublesome

there is no way the average person should or would ever want to confront these types of issues

don't participate and you don't have to complain
Lana

Wailuku, HI

#6 Apr 5, 2008
Negative Journalism at best. Molokai Ranch has been a ghost town for years.

Focus on the future. Visit the fishponds and look into aquaculture and limu. No point in cryin for minimum wage Ranch jobs. Time to move forward to industries that last.

Aquaculture has been used for centuries too feed Molokai. Plus they can sell off the extra to other markets.
sli

Mililani, HI

#7 Apr 5, 2008
Oh yeah! Who would choose a movie or golf over going out and pondering the beauty of Wally's broken down fish pond? And who would want a minimum wage job versus a welfare check? Lana's been stayin Honolulu too long to know what she's running her mouth over.
Trash Gordon

Hilo, HI

#8 Apr 5, 2008
Aquaculture is great, but to sell to other markets, one has to interface with the modern world. Molokai needs to understand that world, if only to protect its children from the predators in that world, and that means those that would use them unfairly, cheat them, exploit them, etc.

Molokai children need education that will let them become competent professionals in areas that involve science, medicine, agriculture, oceanography, you name it. All these things can be compatible with the best parts of the Hawaiian culture. Cultures must either grow or die. People like Ritte know that but they don't much like it. They don't have the courage to lead their followers into the future i a safe manner. Instead they try to shelter them from the real world. But the real world is ever changing and isn't going to go away.

Isolate yourselves if you need to. Don't do that to your children.

Don't let Molokai Ranch land stay idle under the control of people who couldn't care less about those children.
Molokai Mules

Beijing, China

#9 Apr 5, 2008
well folks in Molokai thought it was worth $9 million a year not to have the ranch. Someone is going to have to pay the bill.

There will be a lot of noise but the real leaders will be the ones who have real answers on how to replace the $nine million. We need to stop listening to the others.
A Businessman

Honolulu, HI

#10 Apr 5, 2008
An article in the Molokai Times says that the community overwhelmingly voted to support UPC in its windfarm project.

http://www.molokaitimes.com/articles/84313948...

The people of Molokai need to think this through. UPC is a mainland company, which will be supplying electricity to Oahu. HECO or whoever is buying the power will be sending the check directly to UPC's offices on the mainland. The windfarm will not be generating any income for Molokai, except for maybe a couple of security guard positions.

The allure of $50 million is strong. But that's about all Molokai will be getting out of this deal.
Lajekel

Mililani, HI

#11 Apr 6, 2008
A Businessman wrote:
An article in the Molokai Times says that the community overwhelmingly voted to support UPC in its windfarm project.
http://www.molokaitimes.com/articles/84313948...
The people of Molokai need to think this through. UPC is a mainland company, which will be supplying electricity to Oahu. HECO or whoever is buying the power will be sending the check directly to UPC's offices on the mainland. The windfarm will not be generating any income for Molokai, except for maybe a couple of security guard positions.
The allure of $50 million is strong. But that's about all Molokai will be getting out of this deal.
How in the world will HECO supply electricity to Oahu: through the mail; some kind of cable under ocean; some kind of overhead tranmission line over the channel? Let Molokai pay for power plants that burn expensive fuel or coal! They don't deserve clean alternative energy.
Oops

San Diego, CA

#12 Apr 6, 2008
sli wrote:
Oh yeah! Who would choose a movie or golf over going out and pondering the beauty of Wally's broken down fish pond? And who would want a minimum wage job versus a welfare check? Lana's been stayin Honolulu too long to know what she's running her mouth over.
when I was in kauaii, lots of people there say most molokai folks are living under welfares, and most of them are come from mainland and it said it easy to get it compare to nieghbor island, no wonder they can survive with closing some of the hotel and pineapple cause they get money for free, with out sweating, maybe i should move there too.
Sal Goo

Addison, IL

#13 Apr 6, 2008
Why dont we build a HUGE, new prison in Molokai? First off, it will provide many jobs, and second, will save the state $$ instead of shipping them out to texas.
kolea

Honolulu, HI

#14 Apr 6, 2008
I lived on Molokai for 6 months back in the 70s and the island holds a special place in my heart.

Molokai Ranch ran most of the island in those days. But the Cooke family seemed to have a certain paternalistic sense of obligation to the people. The ranch has changed hands a couple of times and the newer owners never seemed to have developed a concern beyond trying to maximize the return on their investment.

Once upon a time, most people thought of "company town" dominance as anti-democratic. I think this shut down of the Ranch is a display of the problems of having the future of an entire community depend upon the largesse or whims of a small group of owners. The shutdown is basically a big "Scrue you" to the people of Molokai as a result of community resistance to the Laau Point gated community proposal.

The Ranch should be busted up, so decisionmaking on Molokai is made on the basis of the needs (or whims) of a more diverse set of stakeholders. If one business has financial problems and has to go out of business, it has a smaller impact on the entire economy. And the place can likely be picked up by another entrepreneuer who sees a new way of filling a need.

Feudalism is an archaic and inefficient way to run an economy. Or to organize a sociaety. Small-scale capitalism provided an economic basis for independent thought and political democracy. Monopoly capitalism, which has come back into fashion, shrinks democracy and takes control of a society out of the hands of the many and concentrates it into the hands of the few.

Break up the ranch. Create more stakeholders with diverse ideas on how to provide jobs, make money, meet the needs of Molokai's people.
Jason B

Addison, IL

#15 Apr 8, 2008
Sal Goo wrote:
Why dont we build a HUGE, new prison in Molokai? First off, it will provide many jobs, and second, will save the state $$ instead of shipping them out to texas.
Best idea I have heard so far, I'm all for it.
Nuff

Honolulu, HI

#17 Apr 9, 2008
Lingle should make an offer to buy the Molokai Ranch, like she made an offer to buy Turtle Bay, and do a land swap with OHA for monies that are owed to them.
Big Okole

Norfolk, VA

#18 Apr 9, 2008
Nuff wrote:
Lingle should make an offer to buy the Molokai Ranch, like she made an offer to buy Turtle Bay, and do a land swap with OHA for monies that are owed to them.
Turn Molokai Ranch into Molokai Jail - Inmates can grow vegetables for the rest of the islands.
Mokebla

Portland, OR

#19 Apr 9, 2008
What a great idea that Sal Goo got. I'm all for it. That would create enough jobs for everyone on Molokai. Hawaii should spend the millions on Molokai not on the mainland.
molokainokaoi

Kahului, HI

#20 Apr 9, 2008
Mokebla wrote:
What a great idea that Sal Goo got. I'm all for it. That would create enough jobs for everyone on Molokai. Hawaii should spend the millions on Molokai not on the mainland.
mokebla and sal goo
two donkeys that don't even live here, why do we need all your prisoners on our island?, we can manage just fine without you two donkeys trying to be smart.. maybe can ride you're backs down to kalaupapa...
ANTHONY FRASSA

San Diego, CA

#21 Aug 16, 2009
IT SEEMS TO ME TAHT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE TALKS WITH THE COMPANY TO KEEP THEM IN MOLOKAI- THE MONEY TAHT THEY GENERATED IS GOING TO BE MISSED. WITH A MAJOR RECESSION STILL NOT OVER IT IS GOING TO HAVE DEVASTATING EFFECTS ON THE ISLANDS. IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A SHORT SIGHTED MOVE- GOOD LUCK
ANTHONY FRASSA

San Diego, CA

#22 Aug 16, 2009
it seems to me taht there should be more talks with the company to work out a deal.with the recession not over it will severly effect the economy of molokai the company generated a great deal of money, where will you get additional monies. iy seems to be poor business decision taht will have an effect on all of Hawaii. is there no chance you can have a meeting of the minds on the issue. Iam sure the company can make money in Hawaii if the State could help them. Look what the federal government gave to the banks of this country' it is a shame that molokai the poorest of all the islands should get hit with such a mess. good luck
Swinging Ace

Honolulu, HI

#23 Aug 17, 2009
It will be a decrease in business," Tamanaha said. She does not anticipate she will have to lay off any workers, but plans for expansion are now on hold.

No problem, you want business? Just turn that ranch into some world class Swinging Swapping club and offer special military rates for stay home spouses for deployed troops overseas!

Then hire local studs to fulfill those "special" requirements of its quests...bet it will make allot of money to balance the island's shortfall problems.

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