Condemn Maui ranch, group urges

WAILUKU A group of residents has asked the Maui County Council to condemn Molokai Ranch's property, including 60,000 acres of land and its former resorts at Kaluakoi and Maunaloa. Full Story
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Hiloboy67

Honolulu, HI

#21 Sep 21, 2008
No Eminent Domain wrote:
Molokai created this problem for themselves.
The Eminent Domain ploy now is from a wind company, quietly backing this group - Eminent Domain is how First Wind/UPC gets their hands on large tracts of land without paying full price (google their name, look what happened in new york state). Also, First Wind is being charged with corruption/Bribery. First Wind is as rotten as Councilwimp Danny Mateo.
Lets be clear that the small group of activists that are doing this DO NOT represent the island and do not warrant any attention from our media or politicians.
Don't Steal Molokai Ranch
Don't Listen to these Activists
Don't Give Molokai any more Welfare
Do allow the Ranch to develop their land
Do buy the water/sewer from the ranch, since it is a Pub Util Co.
Do get Molokai's economy going again!
I can see nothing will change your bias that the Ranch is good and anything a landowner wants to make money is unassailable. I wish you would talk to those who will not abandon the Moloka`i community, as the Ranch has. I wish you would stay a little objective about what La`au Point would have done to Hawaiian homesteaders who are trying desperately to create an economic engine in sustainable agriculture that will increse food security for the island and others. But I guess my wish is only a dream.
aeowynne

Honolulu, HI

#23 Sep 21, 2008
I really hope they condemn it, or OHA buys it. I think OHA can make it profitable by running the hotel w\locals from Molokai.It can be made to be a first class hotel with a REAL HAWAIIN theme as Hawaiians will run it. If the hotel should fail, OHA could always get it rezoned and build homes and sell the land to Hawaiian homes.
OHA can use half of the land for agriculture, and the hawaiians could farm the land and sell the produce to the other islands. They will not only create jobs but by growing food they woll never starve. And it is a plus for everyone as all of the consumers will know the produce is safe and not contaminated.(Example jalapenos, that killed people or made them very sick.)
HAYNinAk

Miami, FL

#24 Sep 21, 2008
Hiloboy67 wrote:
<quoted text>
Willie: stay in MD with your capitalist, real estate development is ok attitude. You know nothing about what La`au Point would have done to that island.
Willie was correct with his assessment. Look at what the lack of La'au has done to the island.
willie

United States

#25 Sep 21, 2008
aeowynne wrote:
I really hope they condemn it, or OHA buys it. I think OHA can make it profitable by running the hotel w\locals from Molokai.It can be made to be a first class hotel with a REAL HAWAIIN theme as Hawaiians will run it. If the hotel should fail, OHA could always get it rezoned and build homes and sell the land to Hawaiian homes.
OHA can use half of the land for agriculture, and the hawaiians could farm the land and sell the produce to the other islands. They will not only create jobs but by growing food they woll never starve. And it is a plus for everyone as all of the consumers will know the produce is safe and not contaminated.(Example jalapenos, that killed people or made them very sick.)
Huh? Most of the land is not even good for farming. You ever even BEEN to Molokai? So you too are for the locals legally stealing the land from an owner who tried to do good to the folks there but was stabbed in the back? As far as making a go of the resort...you have to be kidding. Tourists don't go to Molokai because of all the radicals there. They know they are not welcome and will just get stink eye if they do go. So if the resort fails you say build homes? That is what the owners of the land wanted to do in the first place, build a lousy 200 homes in exchange for 1/3 of the island going into conservation.

Look, let those who tossed the companies plans figure out how to provide their own sewer and water, they wanted to live like the natives of 300 hundred years ago, here is their chance.
aeowynne

Honolulu, HI

#26 Sep 21, 2008
RTKONA wrote:
What makes Ritti think he can get $65K for an appraisal from Maui county when they would not come take over the water system?
And then he wants $200K to buy the land from the county. If he got 500 signatures on a petition, there are 500 people on Molokai that didn't learn a thing from this. He is nobody's friend. He is in it for himself -- way in it.
Reply: Maybe just maybe he is looking out for the people of Moloka'i. Why should every Island be modernized??? Look what it has done to Oahu!! Allot of Hawaiians and locals have moved to the outer islands for that reason. Look what it has done to Waianae, at one time it was COUNTRY. Now it is beach front homes for the rich. Allot of the comments have been negative, what's the matter don't you have any ALOHA?? If not, move back where you came from as we do not need people like you here!!!
aeowynne

Honolulu, HI

#27 Sep 21, 2008
QUOTE who="willie"
Huh? Most of the land is not even good for farming. You ever even BEEN to Molokai? So you too are for the locals legally stealing the land from an owner who tried to do good to the folks there but was stabbed in the back? As far as making a go of the resort...you have to be kidding. Tourists don't go to Molokai because of all the radicals there. They know they are not welcome and will just get stink eye if they do go. So if the resort fails you say build homes? That is what the owners of the land wanted to do in the first place, build a lousy 200 homes in exchange for 1/3 of the island going into conservation.
Look, let those who tossed the companies plans figure out how to provide their own sewer and water, they wanted to live like the natives of 300 hundred years ago, here is their chance.
Reply:
Yeah dude build homes for HAWAIIANS not rich people. STEAL the LAND?? You have got to be joking!! HAWAII's LAND WAS STOLEN!!! Uh Hello it is called an overthrow. But legal, so don't talk to me about hawaiian stealing their own land. If they had their own farms they could survive, but it's idiots like you that try to stop them. Same old story keep the Hawaiians POOR & LANDLESS!!
aeowynne

Honolulu, HI

#28 Sep 21, 2008
Hiloboy67 wrote:
<quoted text>
I can see nothing will change your bias that the Ranch is good and anything a landowner wants to make money is unassailable. I wish you would talk to those who will not abandon the Moloka`i community, as the Ranch has. I wish you would stay a little objective about what La`au Point would have done to Hawaiian homesteaders who are trying desperately to create an economic engine in sustainable agriculture that will increse food security for the island and others. But I guess my wish is only a dream.
RIGHT ON HILOboy67!!
willie

United States

#29 Sep 21, 2008
"Reply:
Yeah dude build homes for HAWAIIANS not rich people. STEAL the LAND?? You have got to be joking!! HAWAII's LAND WAS STOLEN!!! Uh Hello it is called an overthrow. But legal, so don't talk to me about hawaiian stealing their own land. If they had their own farms they could survive, but it's idiots like you that try to stop them. Same old story keep the Hawaiians POOR & LANDLESS"
Oh brother...sorry I even replied to you, I had not idea you were one of theose idiots who want the monarchy restored..sorry "your highness"...but when this foreign company bought the ranch anyone else could have including the 500 people who now want to steal it. Hawaii is still part of America and THAT is not how things are done...tell you what, make a nice bark cloth loin cloth, get in your outrigger and go live off the land on Molokai, no one will bother you I promise. BTW, rich people got that way busting their humps not by saying poor me, give me give me give me...
Be well and take care, end of transmission, out.
aeowynne

Honolulu, HI

#30 Sep 21, 2008
HAYNinAk wrote:
<quoted text>
Willie was correct with his assessment. Look at what the lack of La'au has done to the island.
Reply:
Willies assesment is full of bull. And if you agree with him you are too. I guess that is why you are living in alaska and not Hawaii. It is sad to think you might be a Hawaiian talking about other Hawaiians in the negative. Why because they want to keep some of their culture? Oh but I forgot YOU LIVE IN ALASKA!! So you probably have the MAINLAND attitude. Glad you are there PLEASE stay there. You sound like you have no ALOHA.
MakalapaKahului

Cincinnati, OH

#31 Sep 21, 2008
Misleading headlines...Molokai Ranch not Maui Ranch.
Joel Kazlofski

Aiea, HI

#33 Sep 21, 2008
You are right, the Ranch doesn't care. they are a business, and if they can't make money they leave. You are also correct in that HTA and State Govt waste lots of money.

However, if the People of Molokai don't want to make sacrafices necessary to have a viable economy and jobs on their Island. Then don't come asking the the taxpayers of Maui and Oahu, for money.

Hiloboy, we are talking economics. I have not mentioned Hawaiian culture so no need to insult my knowledge of it.
Hiloboy67 wrote:
<quoted text>
I can see you know little if anything about Hawaiian culture, or the environment.$100 million is barely more than this state paid the out-of-control, spendthrift HTA, which gets $87 million in good times and bad -sometimes more in bad times. For what, to convince the unemployed to pay higher airfares due to fuel prices to come to Hawai`i and spend the money they don't have. If you want to save government real money - defund the HTA and make private industry pay their own way before you condemn any plan to rid Moloka`i of the pestilence called Moloka`i Ranch. Haven't you seen its colors with its abandonment of that community and its residents? The Ranch no care.
NoBStupid

Seattle, WA

#34 Sep 22, 2008
Yo, Hiloboy, I know plenty bout Hawaiian culture, but so what? I know OHA, too - it doesn't run hotels or develop real estate. Why would anyone saddle them with this? Or KS/BE? Why ask someone else to do what you won't do for yourself? You too lolo aeowhine
HayninAk

Anchorage, AK

#35 Sep 22, 2008
aeowynne wrote:
<quoted text>
Reply:
Willies assesment is full of bull. And if you agree with him you are too. I guess that is why you are living in alaska and not Hawaii. It is sad to think you might be a Hawaiian talking about other Hawaiians in the negative. Why because they want to keep some of their culture? Oh but I forgot YOU LIVE IN ALASKA!! So you probably have the MAINLAND attitude. Glad you are there PLEASE stay there. You sound like you have no ALOHA.
I have plenty of Aloha. I also have a job and a future and running water, unlike most of the people on Molokai now because of their short-sightedness.
bbb

Overland Park, KS

#36 Sep 22, 2008
hiloboy shut up!!! you are ignorant and on welfare

“Live Love Laugh.. and Surf! :)”

Since: Aug 08

Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#37 Sep 22, 2008
No Eminent Domain wrote:
Molokai created this problem for themselves.
The Eminent Domain ploy now is from a wind company, quietly backing this group - Eminent Domain is how First Wind/UPC gets their hands on large tracts of land without paying full price (google their name, look what happened in new york state). Also, First Wind is being charged with corruption/Bribery. First Wind is as rotten as Councilwimp Danny Mateo.
Lets be clear that the small group of activists that are doing this DO NOT represent the island and do not warrant any attention from our media or politicians.
Don't Steal Molokai Ranch
Don't Listen to these Activists
Don't Give Molokai any more Welfare
Do allow the Ranch to develop their land
Do buy the water/sewer from the ranch, since it is a Pub Util Co.
Do get Molokai's economy going again!
Oh yes. How dare Walter Ritte and people like him exercise their right to freedom of expression without government intervention... like how YOU DO. How dare they. Thumbs up to the hypocrisy.

“Live Love Laugh.. and Surf! :)”

Since: Aug 08

Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#38 Sep 22, 2008
willie wrote:
Yep, when you kill the golden goose don't expect any more eggs.
I ageree with NoB...once they get the land then what? Have the Maui county taxpayers subsidize them forever because they will never allow any income generating enterpises, it might interfer with their paece and quiet.
The entire thing could have easily been avoided, let the ranch build a palty 200 homes in exchange for jobs and 1/3 of the island going into conservation and never being built upon.
The fact it is foreign owned is bull...you know what. That has NOTHING to do with anyone who owns it wanting to "gasp" actually make a profit.
Molokai, go look for your noses, they are on the ground where you cut them off to spite your face. You made this bed, go lay in it.
These type of comments never cease to amaze me on three counts: 1) People like Walter Ritte are protecting their HOME just as others perhaps like YOU protect your home. Gotta love the hypocrisy. 2) They have a right to freedom of expression without government intervention. You know... like how YOU and others do. Gotta love the hypocrisy. 3) With land... land is an appreciable asset. While it's great that you mistakenly think that the local people will be able to sustain and survive on low wages the local people on O'ahu show otherwise. While land appreciates in Hawai'i incomes have not. That is why some people protest because they are not egocentric like people like you. They also think about the generations after them and I am not only referring to Hawaiians. There are LOTS of Filipinos, Japanese, Chinese, Haole people, etc who have made Molokai what he is today. Once millionaires move in they WILL displace the local people. I know, I know... people like you ONLY think about yourself. Ironically you show very little understanding of how the appreciation of land affects local people yet are so quick to insult the protestors when YOU are exercising your right to freedom of speech without government intervention so while you epitomize one of the worse things about the U.S. called HYPOCRISY... Walter Ritte and protestors epitomize one of the best things about the U.S. called exercising one's right to freedom of expression without government intervention. I bet YOU protect your home while condemning those on Molokai who protect THEIR home. Thumbs up to the hypocrit.

“Live Love Laugh.. and Surf! :)”

Since: Aug 08

Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#39 Sep 22, 2008
willie wrote:
"Reply:
Yeah dude build homes for HAWAIIANS not rich people. STEAL the LAND?? You have got to be joking!! HAWAII's LAND WAS STOLEN!!! Uh Hello it is called an overthrow. But legal, so don't talk to me about hawaiian stealing their own land. If they had their own farms they could survive, but it's idiots like you that try to stop them. Same old story keep the Hawaiians POOR & LANDLESS"
Oh brother...sorry I even replied to you, I had not idea you were one of theose idiots who want the monarchy restored..sorry "your highness"...but when this foreign company bought the ranch anyone else could have including the 500 people who now want to steal it. Hawaii is still part of America and THAT is not how things are done...tell you what, make a nice bark cloth loin cloth, get in your outrigger and go live off the land on Molokai, no one will bother you I promise. BTW, rich people got that way busting their humps not by saying poor me, give me give me give me...
Be well and take care, end of transmission, out.
Not only are you hypocritical but you are also ignorant of the Hawai'i "State" Constitution. It is very obvious that you didn't read Article XII which explicitly describes some title being held in trust for Hawaiians by the Office of Hawaiian Affairs:

OFFICE OF HAWAIIAN AFFAIRS; ESTABLISHMENT OF BOARD OF TRUSTEES
Section 5.

There is hereby established an Office of Hawaiian Affairs. The Office of Hawaiian Affairs shall hold title to all the real and personal property now or hereafter set aside or conveyed to it which shall be held in trust for native Hawaiians and Hawaiians. There shall be a board of trustees for the Office of Hawaiian Affairs elected by qualified voters who are Hawaiians, as provided by law. The board members shall be Hawaiians. There shall be not less than nine members of the board of trustees; provided that each of the following Islands have one representative: Oahu, Kauai, Maui, Molokai and Hawaii. The board shall select a chairperson from its members.[Add Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7,
1978]

Seen here: http://hawaii.gov/lrb/con/conart12.html
Read, read, read instead of griping about Hawaiians fighting for their PROPERTY rights. Again gotta love the hypocrisy and now the ignorance.
Yeah Right

Honolulu, HI

#40 Sep 23, 2008
-Lana- wrote:
<quoted text> These type of comments never cease to amaze me on three counts: 1) People like Walter Ritte are protecting their HOME just as others perhaps like YOU protect your home. Gotta love the hypocrisy. 2) They have a right to freedom of expression without government intervention. You know... like how YOU and others do. Gotta love the hypocrisy. 3) With land... land is an appreciable asset. While it's great that you mistakenly think that the local people will be able to sustain and survive on low wages the local people on O'ahu show otherwise. While land appreciates in Hawai'i incomes have not. That is why some people protest because they are not egocentric like people like you. They also think about the generations after them and I am not only referring to Hawaiians. There are LOTS of Filipinos, Japanese, Chinese, Haole people, etc who have made Molokai what he is today. Once millionaires move in they WILL displace the local people. I know, I know... people like you ONLY think about yourself. Ironically you show very little understanding of how the appreciation of land affects local people yet are so quick to insult the protestors when YOU are exercising your right to freedom of speech without government intervention so while you epitomize one of the worse things about the U.S. called HYPOCRISY... Walter Ritte and protestors epitomize one of the best things about the U.S. called exercising one's right to freedom of expression without government intervention. I bet YOU protect your home while condemning those on Molokai who protect THEIR home. Thumbs up to the hypocrit.
Yep, Walter would never, ever insult anyone who disagrees with him! You know him to a tee, girl!
teresa

Lahaina, HI

#41 Sep 23, 2008
willie wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words legally STEAL the land from the actual owners..great, why not steal Honolulu while you are at it.
Already been done. All the Hawaiians stay on the Westside now.

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