Condemn Maui ranch, group urges

Condemn Maui ranch, group urges

There are 39 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 21, 2008, titled Condemn Maui ranch, group urges. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

WAILUKU A group of residents has asked the Maui County Council to condemn Molokai Ranch's property, including 60,000 acres of land and its former resorts at Kaluakoi and Maunaloa.

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NoBStupid

United States

#1 Sep 21, 2008
Ok, so the county condemns the ranch, then what? Since the bills are bigger than the bucks coming in, they have to make up the difference, right? How better than to (blink) sell land? But that's a one-time boost...what do you do for act 2? Unless maybe you sell the land for a lot of money...and to someone who doesn't use a lot of island resources...and who might get their rich friends to stay with them on at Xmas and Easter...and who might then buy land and build their own house. That's a bit more sustainable, and got a kick going out into the future. Sounds like something the old ranch management was trying to do. Sounds like their opposition is beginning to know what they didn't know when they were happy to be ignorant protestors. Plus sa change...plus sa le meme chose
willie

United States

#2 Sep 21, 2008
Yep, when you kill the golden goose don't expect any more eggs.

I ageree with NoB...once they get the land then what? Have the Maui county taxpayers subsidize them forever because they will never allow any income generating enterpises, it might interfer with their paece and quiet.

The entire thing could have easily been avoided, let the ranch build a palty 200 homes in exchange for jobs and 1/3 of the island going into conservation and never being built upon.

The fact it is foreign owned is bull...you know what. That has NOTHING to do with anyone who owns it wanting to "gasp" actually make a profit.

Molokai, go look for your noses, they are on the ground where you cut them off to spite your face. You made this bed, go lay in it.
No Eminent Domain

Mililani, HI

#3 Sep 21, 2008
Molokai created this problem for themselves.

The Eminent Domain ploy now is from a wind company, quietly backing this group - Eminent Domain is how First Wind/UPC gets their hands on large tracts of land without paying full price (google their name, look what happened in new york state). Also, First Wind is being charged with corruption/Bribery. First Wind is as rotten as Councilwimp Danny Mateo.

Lets be clear that the small group of activists that are doing this DO NOT represent the island and do not warrant any attention from our media or politicians.

Don't Steal Molokai Ranch
Don't Listen to these Activists
Don't Give Molokai any more Welfare

Do allow the Ranch to develop their land
Do buy the water/sewer from the ranch, since it is a Pub Util Co.
Do get Molokai's economy going again!
ParadiseAlaKai

Keaau, HI

#4 Sep 21, 2008
"The whole family is here because there's no jobs on Molokai," said Donald Dudoit, a former ranch worker.

There are no jobs because Molokai rejects Hawaii's only industry: tourism.

Things would change if taxpayers would revolt over supporting fully one third of Molokai residents via public assistance.

Molokai needs to stop whining, grow up, and join the real world: we all have to work, we all have to compromise, and we all have to make sacrifices.
5 cents

Mililani, HI

#5 Sep 21, 2008
If Molokai serves its' destiny, it will be the first Hawaiian island to govern itself, and the powers that be will have to be busted so that it no longer can come back to existence. Kanaka Maoli will start to breathe its' life into the people and land. Beyond belief for those of common sense, and the status quo.
Joel Kazlofski

Honolulu, HI

#6 Sep 21, 2008
Ritte and other activists oppose zoning to preserve the rural nature of Molokai. OK, you got what you wanted, less developement, less jobs. But don't go asking the tax payers for $100 million plus upkeep of utilities to support your self sufficient community.

Lets also not spend hundreds of millions buying Turtle Bay, so 40 homes maintain their greenspace.
Ohana Kane

Honolulu, HI

#7 Sep 21, 2008
If the residents are worried about the lack of utility service in the future and the County of Maui has no money to take over the utility service, the residents should ask OHA and/or KSBE to purchase the utility system and dedicate it to the County. Afterwards KSBE can develop outreach schools for the childrean and OHA can help residents start home-grown businesses on the ranch lands. Perhaps achieve a sustainable community in the process.
RTKONA

Honolulu, HI

#8 Sep 21, 2008
What makes Ritti think he can get $65K for an appraisal from Maui county when they would not come take over the water system?
And then he wants $200K to buy the land from the county. If he got 500 signatures on a petition, there are 500 people on Molokai that didn't learn a thing from this. He is nobody's friend. He is in it for himself -- way in it.
Big J-Hawaii Kai

United States

#9 Sep 21, 2008
Ohana Kane wrote:
If the residents are worried about the lack of utility service in the future and the County of Maui has no money to take over the utility service, the residents should ask OHA and/or KSBE to purchase the utility system and dedicate it to the County. Afterwards KSBE can develop outreach schools for the childrean and OHA can help residents start home-grown businesses on the ranch lands. Perhaps achieve a sustainable community in the process.
Here, here! You'r'e about the only person who has made sense in this blogg, with the exception of the "cut the nose off the face" as stated in another blog.
Shooting from the hip

Honolulu, HI

#10 Sep 21, 2008
There is no way that Maui County can afford to purchase the land unless they're able to flip it to another buyer. Molokai Ranch is not willing to sell to UPC so UPC steps in and uses the residents of Molokai to urge the county to exercise eminent domain to force the Ranch to sell. Part of the deal will be that UPC will buy the land but a portion of the land will be given to a community trust for the residents to use so that UPC can develop it's wind farm. Net result: out-of-state owner/developer that wants to use a portion of the land while residents will get other land in a land trust. Sound familiar?

“in all things be pono, aloha”

Since: Aug 07

moloka'I, hawaii

#11 Sep 21, 2008
i have yet to hear someone suggest what type of livelihoods i.e. smaller type businesses are suggested, promoted, permitted etc. to replaced the lost jobs. there is no leadership and people are scared sh*tless of the radicals here. meetings become shouting matches.
my proposal would be to take advantage of visitors who will arrive here with Father Damien's sainthood celebrations. yet there is no permission process inplace for vacation rentals and b&bs to become "legal". the crackdowns by maui county have successfully shut down the economies of maui's north shore and moloka'i. i would suggest visitors to bring tents and backpacking it whenever available places to stay are all filled up. they could ask for word-by-mouth referrals: "psst, do you know of a place to stay?" unbelievable stupidity of any so-called planning department! people would work if they could create jobs legally.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#12 Sep 21, 2008
So Peter Nicholas declined comment on this story. Typical. He acted like he cared so much about the people of Moloka`i when he knew he had to get approval for his luxury residential subdivision at La`au. So people tell him "no" and guess what? He "no" care - not even to defend himself or his Singapore bigshots, who also "no" care nothing about an island whose land they want to chop off and sell for big bucks before moving on to the next community they hope will be dumb enough to fall for their make money strategy.

All of those guys "no" care. Condemn their land and send them a message - we "no" like you here either. You've really shown your, and your foreign landowner's, color Peter Nicholas.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#13 Sep 21, 2008
willie wrote:
Yep, when you kill the golden goose don't expect any more eggs.
I ageree with NoB...once they get the land then what? Have the Maui county taxpayers subsidize them forever because they will never allow any income generating enterpises, it might interfer with their paece and quiet.
The entire thing could have easily been avoided, let the ranch build a palty 200 homes in exchange for jobs and 1/3 of the island going into conservation and never being built upon.
The fact it is foreign owned is bull...you know what. That has NOTHING to do with anyone who owns it wanting to "gasp" actually make a profit.
Molokai, go look for your noses, they are on the ground where you cut them off to spite your face. You made this bed, go lay in it.
Willie: stay in MD with your capitalist, real estate development is ok attitude. You know nothing about what La`au Point would have done to that island.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#14 Sep 21, 2008
Shooting from the hip wrote:
There is no way that Maui County can afford to purchase the land unless they're able to flip it to another buyer. Molokai Ranch is not willing to sell to UPC so UPC steps in and uses the residents of Molokai to urge the county to exercise eminent domain to force the Ranch to sell. Part of the deal will be that UPC will buy the land but a portion of the land will be given to a community trust for the residents to use so that UPC can develop it's wind farm. Net result: out-of-state owner/developer that wants to use a portion of the land while residents will get other land in a land trust. Sound familiar?
At least UPC is producing clean energy, and NOT luxury homes that would impact the cultural and limited water resources of that island that are reserved for homesteaders and farming. We forget that the state made that pledge to homesteaders in 1959; Congress even earlier. Plus, while UPC may benefit, the land purchase idea is NOT from UPC. It is the result of a community-based strategic plan that identified elimination of foreign ownership of large land on Moloka`i to avoid these kinds of cultural - financial conflicts.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#15 Sep 21, 2008
Big J-Hawaii Kai wrote:
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Here, here! You'r'e about the only person who has made sense in this blogg, with the exception of the "cut the nose off the face" as stated in another blog.
I agree - at least one positive suggestion that deserves discussion.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#16 Sep 21, 2008
5 cents wrote:
If Molokai serves its' destiny, it will be the first Hawaiian island to govern itself, and the powers that be will have to be busted so that it no longer can come back to existence. Kanaka Maoli will start to breathe its' life into the people and land. Beyond belief for those of common sense, and the status quo.
Yeah, what is so wrong with an economic destiny different than the rest of these islands, especially O`ahu and Maui, which are paved over with unsustainable development and propped up by a tourism industry that refuses to look itself in the face for what it has wrought on these islands and on Hawaiian culture in general.
willie

United States

#17 Sep 21, 2008
Hiloboy67 wrote:
So Peter Nicholas declined comment on this story. Typical. He acted like he cared so much about the people of Moloka`i when he knew he had to get approval for his luxury residential subdivision at La`au. So people tell him "no" and guess what? He "no" care - not even to defend himself or his Singapore bigshots, who also "no" care nothing about an island whose land they want to chop off and sell for big bucks before moving on to the next community they hope will be dumb enough to fall for their make money strategy.
All of those guys "no" care. Condemn their land and send them a message - we "no" like you here either. You've really shown your, and your foreign landowner's, color Peter Nicholas.
No care? He offered 1/3 of the island would NEVER be developed..I hardly call that "no care". Perhaps the next owner (should it even get sold) will subdivide the whole island and put mobile homes on it, would serve the radicals right.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#18 Sep 21, 2008
RTKONA wrote:
What makes Ritti think he can get $65K for an appraisal from Maui county when they would not come take over the water system?
And then he wants $200K to buy the land from the county. If he got 500 signatures on a petition, there are 500 people on Molokai that didn't learn a thing from this. He is nobody's friend. He is in it for himself -- way in it.
Aside from your speculation, what is the basis for your thinking Walter Ritte is "in it for himself -- way in it"? Huh? Go see how Walter lives. He no mo expense account. Do you?
willie

United States

#19 Sep 21, 2008
Hiloboy67 wrote:
<quoted text>
At least UPC is producing clean energy, and NOT luxury homes that would impact the cultural and limited water resources of that island that are reserved for homesteaders and farming. We forget that the state made that pledge to homesteaders in 1959; Congress even earlier. Plus, while UPC may benefit, the land purchase idea is NOT from UPC. It is the result of a community-based strategic plan that identified elimination of foreign ownership of large land on Moloka`i to avoid these kinds of cultural - financial conflicts.
In other words legally STEAL the land from the actual owners..great, why not steal Honolulu while you are at it.
Hiloboy67

Lihue, HI

#20 Sep 21, 2008
Joel Kazlofski wrote:
Ritte and other activists oppose zoning to preserve the rural nature of Molokai. OK, you got what you wanted, less developement, less jobs. But don't go asking the tax payers for $100 million plus upkeep of utilities to support your self sufficient community.
Lets also not spend hundreds of millions buying Turtle Bay, so 40 homes maintain their greenspace.
I can see you know little if anything about Hawaiian culture, or the environment.$100 million is barely more than this state paid the out-of-control, spendthrift HTA, which gets $87 million in good times and bad -sometimes more in bad times. For what, to convince the unemployed to pay higher airfares due to fuel prices to come to Hawai`i and spend the money they don't have. If you want to save government real money - defund the HTA and make private industry pay their own way before you condemn any plan to rid Moloka`i of the pestilence called Moloka`i Ranch. Haven't you seen its colors with its abandonment of that community and its residents? The Ranch no care.

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