Molokai Ranch forced to continue util...

Molokai Ranch forced to continue utilities

There are 34 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jun 8, 2008, titled Molokai Ranch forced to continue utilities. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The Hawaii Public Utilities Commission ordered Molokai Ranch to continue providing water and sewage services through its utility subsidiaries until an alternative operator is found.

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Hookoa

Honolulu, HI

#1 Jun 8, 2008
Bwahahaha! What is the Commission going to do if Molokai Ranch chooses NOT to cave into this "DEMAND"?

Do you mean to say that the Commission can't find another entity to take over these services between now and the end of August???

Sounds a lot like bureaucratic (glacial) foot dragging to me.

What a hoot!!!
Texas Speaking

Lake Jackson, TX

#2 Jun 8, 2008
The Peoples Republic of Hawaii is back at it again, making a Privately owned business operate at a known loss and not allowing them to at least recover their operating cost! If I was the Molokai Ranch, I would tell the County to go to HECK then I would bulldoze the complete plant and let the county build their own facility.
808boy

Paia, HI

#3 Jun 8, 2008
they did'nt want the ranch there. Let them close it. The people who wanted it there should have fought hard against the demonstrators with the "dumb hawaiian syndrome"

“in all things be pono, aloha”

Since: Aug 07

moloka'I, hawaii

#4 Jun 8, 2008
without having read the fineprint of the sales contracts the ranch made with the 1200 individual owners who bought properties from the ranch, one cannot even comment who is responsible. the ranch still owns a third of moloka'i, so they aren't gone.
the ranch did not take care of the water service and the pipes were not properly maintained. in fact from what i hear the water was terrible, even came out of the pipes red-dirt and sometimes with only a dribble.
what i don't understand is why the COUNTY did not regularly inspect this service to make sure that it's safe. so now, to bring the system up to standard, it would cost SOMEBODY millions of dollars.
wacko

Lahaina, HI

#5 Jun 8, 2008
Texas Speaking wrote:
The Peoples Republic of Hawaii is back at it again, making a Privately owned business operate at a known loss and not allowing them to at least recover their operating cost! If I was the Molokai Ranch, I would tell the County to go to HECK then I would bulldoze the complete plant and let the county build their own facility.
Absolutely, I would bull doze it down as they own it. Um, wouldn't that land be good to put a very large prison as Oahu doesn't have land? That would be an ideal place for Hawaii's prisonsers, that way you don't have to send them to the mailand. Then the molokai people can be prison guards and cooks for the criminals. Its just a thought that lingle may consider. a big prison .
sli

Honolulu, HI

#6 Jun 8, 2008
All you @#*holes that think the Ranch should be able to slime out of their obligations, think about this. Did you buy a home based on the promise of water from a utility owned by the developer of the real estate? The Ranch and their various partners and successors sold tons of real estate based on just such a promise. It was written in to the federally mandated "Property Report" given to all prospective buyers of homes, land or condos in West Moloka'i. Does that obligation go away when they can't meet their other business goals? Do they get to hold their property owners hostage to their demands on the State and County? This can happen to every private utility in the State if the Ranch is allowed to get away with it. It could happen to you big mouths too.
GMO MUTANT CORN

Columbus, OH

#7 Jun 8, 2008
Now Moloka'i just have to get rid of the Mutant GMO Corn that no one can eat. The GMO scientist themslves won't even eat it.
Truth

Honolulu, HI

#8 Jun 8, 2008
MR people are now looking more like economic assasins. Take all you can from the people and their land -then leave.
Mahu

United States

#9 Jun 8, 2008
Sewer and water service is a City & County responsibility.

What other "private entity" would want to take over if they know the sewer and water service fee is not going to pay the bills? What other private entity is going to risk their money and reputation when they see MR being screwed. Would it be any different for the replacement of Molokai Ranch? If I were a new investor, it would like flushing my money down the crapper. No thanks, not even the City & County of Maui is willing to step up to the plate because they know full well they can't afford to take over either!
Puna

Kamuela, HI

#10 Jun 8, 2008
The PUC also mandates that a public utility is allowed at least an 8% profit margin, so if Molokai Ranch says it's economically unfeasable to maintain water and sewage at the private costs, then guess what, they have every right to raise the water and sewage rates to a level that allows making a profit.

Bad news for west Molokai is that they may not be able to afford the cost of water and sewage, but hey it's still available.

Unfair? Well here on the Big Island HELCO has raised it's rates to unbelievable amounts to the point where some residents here are forced to buy generators or go off the grid because of monthly electric bills that equate to $400 for basic useage. Heck the service fees are greater than the useage.

But the PUC allows for this. For Molokai you have options as we do on the Big Island for water and sewage, you don't have to rely on any public utility for water or sewage. Most of us out here in Puna don't either.
edward kelly

AOL

#11 Jun 8, 2008
Molokai has created a situation which many Hawaiians seem to want. No business of any kind is permitted.
But find someone to pay the bills.
Dman

Las Vegas, NV

#12 Jun 8, 2008
sounds like molokai ranch is bitter and trying to punish the residents.
Should condem the land and give it back to molokai. Who needs this kind of foreign investment?

“in all things be pono, aloha”

Since: Aug 07

moloka'I, hawaii

#13 Jun 8, 2008
we are not affected personally, but we are looking into and learning about rainbarrels or larger tank storage. up here in kalae we are blessed with frequent showers.
takspayr

Orange Park, FL

#14 Jun 8, 2008
Dman wrote:
sounds like molokai ranch is bitter and trying to punish the residents.
Should condem the land and give it back to molokai. Who needs this kind of foreign investment?
What would condemnation accomplish? Only more negative press that Hawaii is a screwed up place to do business. It will continue to chase away investment and any hope that Molokaians will have their basics needs met which is a City & County responsibility.
takspayr

Orange Park, FL

#15 Jun 8, 2008
halemalu wrote:
we are not affected personally, but we are looking into and learning about rainbarrels or larger tank storage. up here in kalae we are blessed with frequent showers.
And why didn't you do what the Big Islanders have been doing for decades? You shot yourselves in the foot so don't come begging for State money to bail you out.
takspayr

Orange Park, FL

#16 Jun 8, 2008
edward kelly wrote:
Molokai has created a situation which many Hawaiians seem to want. No business of any kind is permitted.
But find someone to pay the bills.
Yes, the "entitlement" mentally is rampant in Hawaii. Everyone wants their piece of the pie at yours and mines expense.

Consider this: There have been posts where the message was, "I don't think the taxpayers should pay for (this) the government should pay for it."

This ignorance and lack of understanding about where monies come from, how wealth is created and maintained is lost in socialism. It is lost in communism. Hawaii has too many socialists and communists that make enemies of those who would pay their bills.

The Molokaians deserve any hardship they have imposed upon themselves.
TutuSaid

Wailuku, HI

#17 Jun 8, 2008
Why are you claiming the COUNTY is responsible for inspecting these services? Molokai Ranch was getting their water (illegally) from the Molokai Irrigation System, which is the State Department of Agriculture. And the State Department of Health (also, EPA) has jurisdiction in the "inspection" of said utilites. In the past, the State Department of Health fined Toyko Kosan, dba, Kalua Koi Properties for violations relating to the sewer treatment plant in Kalua Koi; it's one of the sites being managed by Molokai Ranch. The State of Hawaii PUC (Public Utilies Commission) is the governing agency that regulates these services. It's not the County jurisdiction. You have to go through governmental protocol.
halemalu wrote:
without having read the fineprint of the sales contracts the ranch made with the 1200 individual owners who bought properties from the ranch, one cannot even comment who is responsible. the ranch still owns a third of moloka'i, so they aren't gone.
the ranch did not take care of the water service and the pipes were not properly maintained. in fact from what i hear the water was terrible, even came out of the pipes red-dirt and sometimes with only a dribble.
what i don't understand is why the COUNTY did not regularly inspect this service to make sure that it's safe. so now, to bring the system up to standard, it would cost SOMEBODY millions of dollars.
AintGoinBack

Waterbury, CT

#18 Jun 8, 2008
halemalu wrote:
we are not affected personally, but we are looking into and learning about rainbarrels or larger tank storage. up here in kalae we are blessed with frequent showers.
Here's the link for State of Hawaii Catchment Water Systems...

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/ctahr2001/ctahrin...

I used a jacuzzi water pump which I bought in Hilo and it worked great (no bearings or internal parts that wear out.) Loved not having a water bill!!! Make sure you spend a few dollars on a check valve.

Hope this helps.
AintGoinBack

Waterbury, CT

#19 Jun 8, 2008
halemalu wrote:
we are not affected personally, but we are looking into and learning about rainbarrels or larger tank storage. up here in kalae we are blessed with frequent showers.
Hi again. Also, if you can't find reasonable prices in Hawaii, you might want to check Texas as I recall some properties outside the cities used catchment systems.
Pake Lolo

Honolulu, HI

#20 Jun 8, 2008
wacko wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely, I would bull doze it down as they own it. Um, wouldn't that land be good to put a very large prison as Oahu doesn't have land? That would be an ideal place for Hawaii's prisonsers, that way you don't have to send them to the mailand. Then the molokai people can be prison guards and cooks for the criminals. Its just a thought that lingle may consider. a big prison .
That's telling em, brah!

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