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A Lutheran congregation in suburban Toledo has taken the first step toward leaving the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America over the denomination's decision to ordain gay clergy members and support same-sex unions.

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Wow - there are already 47 different "Lutheran" denominations? I realize anyone can start a churhc and call themselves Lutheran, but what exactly makes a denomination Lutheran?
The facts do show that mainstream Protestantism is fracturing and dying. There is a large number of nonbelievers in the Western World due to the espousal of false doctrine in the last 75 years.
What makes a Lutheran a Lutheran is the belief in the Word and Sacrament. Every Sunday, we partake in both, and both are essential to our faith. We read the word, from the old testament, the new testament, a psalm, and a gospel reading. Then we partake in the sacrament, which all baptized Christians are allowed to join, which is the symbolic body and blood of Christ. The sacrament that we partake in is taken with all the saints, those of this world and those of heaven. That is what makes us Lutheran.

What makes us separate (There are only 7 Lutheran synods in the US) is the little things, and this happens to be one little thing that will possibly separate our church. Even though we differ on the little things, we believe in the word and sacrament, the two most important things in Lutheranism.
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Yes he did speak on loving and uplifting people, but he did speak against same-sex marriages so it must've been important to him or he wouldn't have mentioned it. Everything in the Bible is to be taken seriously, not just certain parts!
Jesus did not speak of same-sex relations in any gospel. Quote it please, and hopefully in an appropriate version like the NIV or NRSV, because those are the closets translations to the actual language.
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So how do you explain Sodom and Gomorrah? God destroyed that city because there were people that were having gay relations. You think Gay is alright, You argue with God.(by the way, God will win, he always does!)
It was not about gay relations. Actually, no gay relation happened in the story. It was about rape to show power. It was about gambling. I was about murder. You should re-read the story to see who actually got raped. It was not a man!
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LOl..sorry but none of the STRAIGHT guys I know get naked , cry and kiss each other because they think of each other like brothers..LOL..if thats what you straights do to your brothers then it is YOU who are the deviant ones.
what do you think "until he exceeded" meant?..LOL
Did you know that in different countries guys kiss eachother? Yeah, maybe in America it's weird, but in other countries that is what they actually do... and Jonathan and David were not from the USA
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Did you know that in different countries guys kiss eachother? Yeah, maybe in America it's weird, but in other countries that is what they actually do... and Jonathan and David were not from the USA
lol..well it is sure not wierd in America for the 40 million gay people HERE who kiss...LOL
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It was not about gay relations. Actually, no gay relation happened in the story. It was about rape to show power. It was about gambling. I was about murder. You should re-read the story to see who actually got raped. It was not a man!
Yes, I agree with you, the girls were the ones who got raped, but the crowd was originally asking for the men in the house.
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Jesus did not speak of same-sex relations in any gospel. Quote it please, and hopefully in an appropriate version like the NIV or NRSV, because those are the closets translations to the actual language.
Actually the NASB is the closest translation to the original version and then it is the KJV
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I don't see how any CHRISTIAN can accept Gays and Same Sex Marriages into the Membership of a Church! Read your Bibles! Both are abominations in the eyes of God!!!!
So are you saying that God hate gays and lebians? And if the do, did GOD anywhere in the bible says that you are supposed to JUDGE THEM????

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Yes, I agree with you, the girls were the ones who got raped, but the crowd was originally asking for the men in the house.
In our day too, the moral level of human society has become degraded. In many lands, more and more engage in premarital or extramarital sex. Even many young people in school are deeply involved in this way of life, and they ridicule those who do not join them. Homosexuals outspokenly identify themselves and parade through the streets of large cities to demand recognition. The clergy have joined in the reveling. Officially, not many churches ordain known homosexuals and fornicators. Yet, in actuality, as news reports have repeatedly shown, it is not at all difficult to find homosexuals, fornicators, and adulterers in the ranks of the clergy. In fact, some religious leaders have been moved to other cities or have even been forced to resign over sex scandals. Lovers of righteousness are not in sympathy with such wickedness; they “abhor what is wicked.”(Romans 12:9) Especially are they grieved when the conduct of people who claim to serve God brings reproach on his name and causes uninformed people to turn away from all religion in disgust.—Romans 2:24.
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You haven't even read the Bible. If you had read it, you would have come to the Book of Samuel, where The Bible uses the union of two MEN to define marriage.
Marriage occurs when the souls of two people become knit as one and they make a covenant with God as their witness. The earliest example of this definition came from the Bible and became the standard for marriage vows still in use today:
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From the Old Testament:
1 Samuel 18:1>"...the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."
1 Samuel 18:3-4>"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
1 Samuel 20:41>"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together until David exceeded."
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Jonathan and David's marriage lasted 15 years and ended when Jonathan was killed in battle:(till death they were parted)
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2 Samuel 1:26>"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
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David was God's favorite person so God makes sure Jonathan and David's marriage is in every Bible ever printed including yours
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Jonathan-And-D...
Read it and learn about love.
If anyone is sincerely seeking TRUTH concerning what GOD thinks and has to say about homosexuality, the bible is clear on the subject. As far as the account given for David, the writers did not try to hide anything in giving their account. The problem happens when people want to turn something, into what they want to believe. This happens within the church body itself a lot. When you do a word search on a subject you may read the word hell for example and think it has the same meaning as every other occurrence of the word hell, which is not true. There are several meanings and uses and so you must do a word search in the concordance and then you must apply one of the senses that that particular Hebrew or Greek word means. IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU BELIEVE AND TELL OTHERS IS CORRECT. TIME IS RUNNING OUT ON YOUR LIFE CLOCK AND THESE THINGS WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS RAMIFICATIONS WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THE NEXT LIFE, THAT CAN NOT BE ALTERED AT THAT POINT! The word knit means to bind together in love. It can have similar attributes as marriage in the sense of loyalty and communication etc. The word love in these passages has a reference of our love towards GOD, I would say this is what should be our part in our love towards GOD in communion. Again aspects which are not meant to infer a sexual type of love. The bible clearly states that PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN. Preachers or priests can tell you their opinions all day long and it will not change reality. No one practicing any sin will make it. GOD wants all to recognize their need for salvation and make a decision to make JESUS their LORD and follow HIS ways. You must understand that you are dying to your fleshly desires when they go against what GOD has given as HIS rules.
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You haven't even read the Bible. If you had read it, you would have come to the Book of Samuel, where The Bible uses the union of two MEN to define marriage.
Marriage occurs when the souls of two people become knit as one and they make a covenant with God as their witness. The earliest example of this definition came from the Bible and became the standard for marriage vows still in use today:
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From the Old Testament:
1 Samuel 18:1>"...the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."
1 Samuel 18:3-4>"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
1 Samuel 20:41>"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together until David exceeded."
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Jonathan and David's marriage lasted 15 years and ended when Jonathan was killed in battle:(till death they were parted)
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From the Old Testament:
2 Samuel 1:26>"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
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David was God's favorite person so God makes sure Jonathan and David's marriage is in every Bible ever printed including yours
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Jonathan-And-D...
Read it and learn about love.
I can tell you after studying the bible all the time that it is a love letter towards man, IF man will chose to come to HIM in truth. It also shows that GOD is not a push over and is very severe in what our minds think in dealing with sin. Our opinions do not matter in the sense that we can not change GOD into what we want HIM to be. Hopefully all who read or write in here will come to GOD in truth and not believe the lie that Satan is trying to feed them, into believing that GOD accepts it in any form other than a sorrowful repentance for wanting something which HE says no to.

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If anyone is sincerely seeking TRUTH concerning what GOD thinks and has to say about homosexuality, the bible is clear on the subject. As far as the account given for David, the writers did not try to hide anything in giving their account. The problem happens when people want to turn something, into what they want to believe. This happens within the church body itself a lot. When you do a word search on a subject you may read the word hell for example and think it has the same meaning as every other occurrence of the word hell, which is not true. There are several meanings and uses and so you must do a word search in the concordance and then you must apply one of the senses that that particular Hebrew or Greek word means. IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU BELIEVE AND TELL OTHERS IS CORRECT. TIME IS RUNNING OUT ON YOUR LIFE CLOCK AND THESE THINGS WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS RAMIFICATIONS WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THE NEXT LIFE, THAT CAN NOT BE ALTERED AT THAT POINT! The word knit means to bind together in love. It can have similar attributes as marriage in the sense of loyalty and communication etc. The word love in these passages has a reference of our love towards GOD, I would say this is what should be our part in our love towards GOD in communion. Again aspects which are not meant to infer a sexual type of love. The bible clearly states that PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN. Preachers or priests can tell you their opinions all day long and it will not change reality. No one practicing any sin will make it. GOD wants all to recognize their need for salvation and make a decision to make JESUS their LORD and follow HIS ways. You must understand that you are dying to your fleshly desires when they go against what GOD has given as HIS rules.
The Bible says no such thing (as originally written).

BTW, David and Jonathan DID have a gay relationship. It is even MORE convincing in the ancient Hebrew (not less).
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The Bible says no such thing (as originally written).
BTW, David and Jonathan DID have a gay relationship. It is even MORE convincing in the ancient Hebrew (not less).
Its only because you want to see it that way.
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The Bible says no such thing (as originally written).
BTW, David and Jonathan DID have a gay relationship. It is even MORE convincing in the ancient Hebrew (not less).


For people who are truly seeking to know about what GOD's views on homosexuality are, please read a few Scriptural references below:

Romans 1:26-28 (GOD gives them over to a REPROBATE MIND as a punishment!)

Jude 7 (GOD's vengence against)

Leviticus 20:13 (Death Penalty called for! If true, David should have been killed by GODS decree!)

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Its only because you want to see it that way.
No. it's only because you are a biased homophobe that you DON'T see it that way.

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For people who are truly seeking to know about what GOD's views on homosexuality are, please read a few Scriptural references below:
Romans 1:26-28 (GOD gives them over to a REPROBATE MIND as a punishment!)
Jude 7 (GOD's vengence against)
Leviticus 20:13 (Death Penalty called for! If true, David should have been killed by GODS decree!)
Romans 1 -- Idol Worship and temple prostitution (NOT about homosexuality at all).

Jude 7 -- Nothing about homosexuality in that passage.

Levticus 20:31 -- Temple prostitution and non-consensual male on male sex. Nothing about homosexuality in and of itself.

Again, the Bible as originally written does not condemn homosexuality.
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Romans 1 -- Idol Worship and temple prostitution (NOT about homosexuality at all).
Jude 7 -- Nothing about homosexuality in that passage.
Levticus 20:31 -- Temple prostitution and non-consensual male on male sex. Nothing about homosexuality in and of itself.
Again, the Bible as originally written does not condemn homosexuality.
Unfortunately for you time will prove you wrong. GOD made us in HIS image and HE does love us, but HE also has a spiritual reality and roles that HE created to work and function under what HE has said is truth. Someone may get their kicks out of torturing children and justify themselves with the thought that "god made me that way because thats what makes ME happy". But GOD has not given us rules without the ability to live by them or every time we had a desire to rob or kill or whatever we would be able to tell a judge in court, "you know judge, god made me this way and I could not help it" It will not work in mans courts who is corrupt and especially not in GODS courtroom. God has made us with our right to chose what we want in regards to good or evil. Just because we want something to be good, that GOD has called evil does not alter what is really truth and reality.

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Unfortunately for you time will prove you wrong. GOD made us in HIS image and HE does love us, but HE also has a spiritual reality and roles that HE created to work and function under what HE has said is truth. Someone may get their kicks out of torturing children and justify themselves with the thought that "god made me that way because thats what makes ME happy". But GOD has not given us rules without the ability to live by them or every time we had a desire to rob or kill or whatever we would be able to tell a judge in court, "you know judge, god made me this way and I could not help it" It will not work in mans courts who is corrupt and especially not in GODS courtroom. God has made us with our right to chose what we want in regards to good or evil. Just because we want something to be good, that GOD has called evil does not alter what is really truth and reality.
Torturing children????? Theft????? What does ANY of this have to do with homosexuality?????

Well, I did not choose to be gay, and no one does. Yes, G-d (Blessed be S/He) made me gay. In addition, homosexuality is NOT a sin. However, your bigotry and hatred of G-d's gay and lesbian children certainly is a sin. And, I strongly suspect that it is YOU who will have to answer for this one day!
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Anyone who wished to leave ELCA, or any church, for any reason, is free to do so.

Let them leave. Big deal.
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Torturing children????? Theft????? What does ANY of this have to do with homosexuality?????
Well, I did not choose to be gay, and no one does. Yes, G-d (Blessed be S/He) made me gay. In addition, homosexuality is NOT a sin. However, your bigotry and hatred of G-d's gay and lesbian children certainly is a sin. And, I strongly suspect that it is YOU who will have to answer for this one day!
As the bible states, HE gives people over to that spirit. I could have affairs on my wife and say I was made that way to want and be with many women if I let my flesh rule my choices. But I must align my beliefs with GODS WORD and what HE has declared. GOD designed creation to mirror things in the spiritual realm. In the same way GOD made the sun for us as an example along with everything that exists in the material universe. He also began creation with sexual desire, not only to get our attention but to bring about procreation as well as intimacy and a oneness with one mate. Davids life shows his path of starting off with a good heart and the results of many different trials and temptations. It shows his weaknesses as well as failures, BUT it also shows us his sorrowful repentance for his mistakes as well as consequences that came as a result of his different decisions. David had a tender heart that was able to be corrected. He also recognized those who were loyal to him and it touched his heart greatly. I have experienced a lot of hatred myself and the few true friends that I have I do really try and show kindness and love to as well. If you were really wanting truth, GOD lays it right before you. There will be no excuses when you kneel before him. At that point, the Bible declares that HE will be either your enemy and HE your judge or LORD who will be unimaginable happiness. If one ends up in hell, the bible teaches you will be alone and every feeling will be there that will be felt as torment depression, hunger, no hope,
excuses that one made that can not be gone back to and made right etc.. When GOD love is absent, things will be very tormenting with no relief that has no end. It may seem unfair in our minds, but GOD gives us the choices that can be made to live for him, that not only helps ourselves but others around us. If we chose wickedness, so be it.

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