No Scout leadership post for Mormon p...

No Scout leadership post for Mormon parents in NC

There are 40 comments on the El Paso Times story from Oct 19, 2010, titled No Scout leadership post for Mormon parents in NC. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

The parents of two young boys have been told by a North Carolina church that their Mormon faith disqualifies them from serving as Cub Scout leaders.

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“Nulla poena sine lege ”

Since: Sep 09

So. Wake County (Right Coast)

#23 Oct 20, 2010
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Gays don't want to become Gods like the Mormons do. Gays don't hijack the name of Jesus as the Mormons have and redefined him until he isn't the Jesus of the Bible. Gays don't think that Jesus needs help saving mankind with Masonic ceremonies to do work for the dead. Gays don't give special power to their underwear. Gays haven't debased God into making him only a man.
According to the Bible, belong to a false religion was a far greater sin then being gay. The Bible says to kill the false prophets.
... but they did want to run scout troops!

AND THAT IS A MUCH WORSE PROBLEM!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24 Oct 20, 2010
AntiTypical wrote:
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... but they did want to run scout troops!
AND THAT IS A MUCH WORSE PROBLEM!
No worst then some Bishop wanting to interview teenage girls alone in his office asking about their sex life.
Thoughtful

United States

#26 Oct 20, 2010
I am so sorry for the families that were denied.
The whole concept of the scouts is on trial with this travesty. I've been a cave guide for the BSA for years and can't believe you folks were turned away because your christian denomination didn't make their ranks.

The BSA is not what it used to be and no longer holds to their own creed.

G-d Bless
Shalom
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#27 Oct 20, 2010
Thoughtful wrote:
I am so sorry for the families that were denied.
The whole concept of the scouts is on trial with this travesty. I've been a cave guide for the BSA for years and can't believe you folks were turned away because your christian denomination didn't make their ranks.
The BSA is not what it used to be and no longer holds to their own creed.
G-d Bless
Shalom
Did you even READ the other posts above?

If the parents have their heart set on leading a cub scout den or pack, they should move to UTAH where the members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear hold the monopoly on the BSA,and don't allow non-members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear to participate. Otherwise, let their kids participate in the non-Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear-sponsored groups, but don't try to grab the reins of leadership.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do...

When in Salt Lake... do as the members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear do, keep your mouth shut, or close your eyes and mind, put on their holy Underoos(R), and join em. Just learn to sing "Praise to The Man" without sounding flat.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#28 Oct 20, 2010
Haw Haw wrote:
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Did you even READ the other posts above?
If the parents have their heart set on leading a cub scout den or pack, they should move to UTAH where the members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear hold the monopoly on the BSA,and don't allow non-members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear to participate. Otherwise, let their kids participate in the non-Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear-sponsored groups, but don't try to grab the reins of leadership.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do...
When in Salt Lake... do as the members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear do, keep your mouth shut, or close your eyes and mind, put on their holy Underoos(R), and join em. Just learn to sing "Praise to The Man" without sounding flat.
Underoos. LOL, for some reason that makes me think of pajamas with the feet in them..

“Nulla poena sine lege ”

Since: Sep 09

So. Wake County (Right Coast)

#29 Oct 21, 2010
Haw Haw wrote:
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Did you even READ the other posts above?
If the parents have their heart set on leading a cub scout den or pack, they should move to UTAH where the members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear hold the monopoly on the BSA,and don't allow non-members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear to participate. Otherwise, let their kids participate in the non-Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear-sponsored groups, but don't try to grab the reins of leadership.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do...
When in Salt Lake... do as the members of The Church of Joseph's Myth of Latter-Day Magic Underwear do, keep your mouth shut, or close your eyes and mind, put on their holy Underoos(R), and join em. Just learn to sing "Praise to The Man" without sounding flat.
Where in the Boy Scout Oath or Creed does it say a troop is supposed to be
* Denomination Specific?
* disrespectful to those who believe in God?

If this is what the Boy Scouts has become - screw 'em and let the gay's get 'em!

I have been contemplating the idea of getting my boy in to the Scouts.

... but now? FORGET IT! MY Son is better than that!
Purrs like a chicken

Spotsylvania, VA

#30 Oct 21, 2010
The chartering organization gets to set those standards, this is called the BSA local option. Even though women are allowed to be scoutmasters now by BSA national policy, the local CO still gets to decide if they will allow it in their troop.

The troop, pack, or crew belongs to the chartering orgainzation, and they are responsible for approving all leaders. That is why the head of the CO signs all leadership applications.

There are a ton of Boy Scout rules and regs not in the oath and law.
anita

Mt Meadows Area, CA

#32 Oct 21, 2010
What does the BSA have to say about this? Scouting is not set up to be a religious program. How sad these boys are deprived of a great experience becasue of such narrow minded people.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#33 Oct 21, 2010
anita wrote:
What does the BSA have to say about this? Scouting is not set up to be a religious program. How sad these boys are deprived of a great experience becasue of such narrow minded people.
Tell that to the scouts over in Utah.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#34 Oct 22, 2010
anita wrote:
What does the BSA have to say about this? Scouting is not set up to be a religious program. How sad these boys are deprived of a great experience becasue of such narrow minded people.
In many places in Utah, if a boy wants to be in the troop, he also has to attend LDS meetings every week. It doesn't matter if they are members or not.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#35 Oct 23, 2010
Dana Robertson wrote:
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In many places in Utah, if a boy wants to be in the troop, he also has to attend LDS meetings every week. It doesn't matter if they are members or not.
You speak like a Christian and yet you will lie worse then any dog I've seen lol.
Made to attend meetings to be a scout? You are such a liar it's funny! Now Mormon parents, like any parent of any religion might make their son attend meetings outside of the scout meetings that is true. But a ward FORCING a Mormon or non-Mormon boy to attend other 'MORMON' meetings??? lolol, you have given me a good laugh for the day. You are so extreme! lol

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#36 Oct 23, 2010
No Surprise wrote:
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You speak like a Christian and yet you will lie worse then any dog I've seen lol.
Made to attend meetings to be a scout? You are such a liar it's funny! Now Mormon parents, like any parent of any religion might make their son attend meetings outside of the scout meetings that is true. But a ward FORCING a Mormon or non-Mormon boy to attend other 'MORMON' meetings??? lolol, you have given me a good laugh for the day. You are so extreme! lol
Go to http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/50500556-6... and read the comments showing many people have said the same thing. I guess everybody is a liar except you.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#37 Oct 24, 2010
Dana Robertson wrote:
Go to http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/50500556-6... and read the comments showing many people have said the same thing. I guess everybody is a liar except you.
Nooo, not everyone else is a liar. And neither am I. I didn't repeat second hand information and pass it on as being factual information as you did it. That makes you a "rumonger" and a liar. You passed on information you have no actual idea if it is true or not true. But you passed that second hand information as being factual and that makes you a liar.
Next, you included "non-Mormon" boys in your rumor. The bishop of a ward will force no child to do anything. Huge no-no. Like any parent, religious affiliated or not, parents "force" children to do things the child doesn't want to do all the time like making them go to school and to clean their room and to do chores, etc. Mormon parents make their children go to Mormon meetings and social events events, etc, that "most" (not all) of the children are usually willing to attend.
You need to do a bit more research into what your going to speak of next time. I realize from your postings you're an extreme "anti-Mormon" but you can speak with honesty, not dishonesty and or lies and or half truths if your going to berate that religion and it's members :)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#38 Oct 24, 2010
No Surprise wrote:
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Nooo, not everyone else is a liar. And neither am I. I didn't repeat second hand information and pass it on as being factual information as you did it. That makes you a "rumonger" and a liar. You passed on information you have no actual idea if it is true or not true. But you passed that second hand information as being factual and that makes you a liar.
Next, you included "non-Mormon" boys in your rumor. The bishop of a ward will force no child to do anything. Huge no-no. Like any parent, religious affiliated or not, parents "force" children to do things the child doesn't want to do all the time like making them go to school and to clean their room and to do chores, etc. Mormon parents make their children go to Mormon meetings and social events events, etc, that "most" (not all) of the children are usually willing to attend.
You need to do a bit more research into what your going to speak of next time. I realize from your postings you're an extreme "anti-Mormon" but you can speak with honesty, not dishonesty and or lies and or half truths if your going to berate that religion and it's members :)
I included non-members because there are first hand experiences being report on the link I gave. I believe them because I know the Mormon mind set. I don't need any more research when it comes to Mormonism. I was born and raised in it. Was a member for 33yrs. And yes, I was forced to go when I was a child.
Jill the Idiot

Spotsylvania, VA

#39 Oct 25, 2010
No, but scouting is the Offical Youth Organization for boys in the LDS church. Many wades require that your son be registered with it, even if they don't attend any meetings.
Jill the Idiot

Spotsylvania, VA

#40 Oct 25, 2010
anita wrote:
What does the BSA have to say about this? Scouting is not set up to be a religious program. How sad these boys are deprived of a great experience becasue of such narrow minded people.
Actually, it is a relegious orgainzation, just read the Supreme Court case on the subject.
Spock

El Paso, TX

#41 Oct 25, 2010
And so Joseph Smith was wandering around in a forest in Pennsylvania wondering which faith he should join; when alas, angels floated down with golden tablets and they explained to Joseph that none of the existing religions were genuine, but
on these golden tablets the only true religion (the
Book of Mormon) was transcribed. And so, Joseph has shared that religion with his disciples (saints). Yep!
I can understand how someone who is raised to believe all of the above, might believe it. But,
I cannot understand how anyone else (read Glen Beck) can "get on that raft".
Oh yeah; have you heard of the boxer shorts that
protect Mormon males from harm?
Incredible!

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#42 Oct 25, 2010
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I included non-members because there are first hand experiences being report on the link I gave. I believe them because I know the Mormon mind set. I don't need any more research when it comes to Mormonism. I was born and raised in it. Was a member for 33yrs. And yes, I was forced to go when I was a child.
Now I know your lieing. How? Because if you were a member for 33 years, you would know that "non-Mormon boys belonging to an LDS scout troop ARE NOT FORCED to also attend other type religious meetings, not in this day and age.
Now if you wish to contend that the parent(s) of the non_Mormon boy are giving permission to the Mormons at that ward to include them in other meetings, I agree it's done. But for you to state that there are Bishops and Elders and priesthoood leaders and or women in active positions, forcing a non-Mormon boys to attend other religious meetings outside of the scout meeting, against his will and against the will of his parents, now you're just a plain straight out liar.
See, I have been aquainted with the LDS since 1970. As a non-Mormon I participated in a scout group ran by the local Mormon church. We all sat through a few minutes of what was called mutual but it was not a "forced" issue as you declare even in 1970.
Half my family is LDS. I have attended as a "non-Mormon" in three different states and have never seen or heard of a bishop and other active members of a ward "forcing" a non-Mormon boy to attend their religious meetings.
By the way, get over your "trama" at having been "forced" to go to church as a child. It happens to most of us and we're usually the better for it, not the worst for it.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#43 Oct 25, 2010
No Surprise wrote:
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Now I know your lieing. How? Because if you were a member for 33 years, you would know that "non-Mormon boys belonging to an LDS scout troop ARE NOT FORCED to also attend other type religious meetings, not in this day and age.
Now if you wish to contend that the parent(s) of the non_Mormon boy are giving permission to the Mormons at that ward to include them in other meetings, I agree it's done. But for you to state that there are Bishops and Elders and priesthoood leaders and or women in active positions, forcing a non-Mormon boys to attend other religious meetings outside of the scout meeting, against his will and against the will of his parents, now you're just a plain straight out liar.
See, I have been aquainted with the LDS since 1970. As a non-Mormon I participated in a scout group ran by the local Mormon church. We all sat through a few minutes of what was called mutual but it was not a "forced" issue as you declare even in 1970.
Half my family is LDS. I have attended as a "non-Mormon" in three different states and have never seen or heard of a bishop and other active members of a ward "forcing" a non-Mormon boy to attend their religious meetings.
By the way, get over your "trama" at having been "forced" to go to church as a child. It happens to most of us and we're usually the better for it, not the worst for it.
Your experience doesn't speak for the whole church.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#44 Oct 26, 2010
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Your experience doesn't speak for the whole church.
That is true. But I know what the requirements are to be a bishop and or a counselor to the bishop. And forcing a child to do something against their will by a non-parental figure, huge, bad no-no and few if any active LDS people would commit such a forceful act upon a non-related child.

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