Jehovah's Witnesses try to be inclusive

Jan 9, 2010 Full story: Enquirer-Journal 2,185

Kingdom Hall Jehovaha s Witnesses aim to include everyone. a oeSomething that is outstanding is our unity,a said David Semonian, a spokesman for the church.

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isnrblog

Gainesville, FL

#1 Jan 11, 2010
Bulls**t.

Jehovah's Witnesses try to be inclusive so they can convert you.

I was a JW for 50 years and an Elder.

Would you call this inclusive?

Watchtower, 9/1/89 page 19:

"ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil."

If you ain't a Jo Ho, you're dead. Real inclusive. They only include themselves.

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#2 Jan 11, 2010
isnrblog wrote:
Bulls**t.
Jehovah's Witnesses try to be inclusive so they can convert you.
I was a JW for 50 years and an Elder.
Would you call this inclusive?
Watchtower, 9/1/89 page 19:
"ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil."
If you ain't a Jo Ho, you're dead. Real inclusive. They only include themselves.
Jehovah's Witnesses were taught by their Governing Body to hate all who are not members of their religion. They have preach hatred of non-JWs for decades. Only now have they softened in their view to toward others only because they had to. They either had to adapt or die.

Society in general just had enough of intolerance in all aspects of race, creed or religion. Jehovah's Witnesses were faced with a public becoming increasingly aware of what they were printing in it their journals and many of them found it very disturbing. The Watchtower was basically forced to lighten up on it's biased rhetoric and propaganda or be extinguished. Now with a public and private version of the Watchtower they can get away with it a little longer.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#3 Jan 11, 2010
You don't sound much like you were an elder.

Where did you learn the potty mouth after 50 years of speaking with decency?

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#4 Jan 11, 2010
Here is the article:

== QUOTE:==

INDIAN TRAIL -- Kingdom Hall Jehovah’s Witnesses aim to include everyone.

“Something that is outstanding is our unity,” said David Semonian, a spokesman for the church.“God is not partial, so neither are we.”

During the week they can be seen proselytizing door-to-door and in services they allow everyone a chance to speak.

Racially, they are inclusive as well. The Kingdom Hall church in Indian Trail is so racially divided with Hispanics, blacks and whites that it is impossible to determine which is dominant.

The service itself is fully inclusive as well.

Instead of one person preaching to the congregation, a leader reads passages out of a publication called The Watchtower that is based on a biblical passage and extrapolates lessons from that passage.

A microphone is passed around the room and members of the congregation share their perspectives on the Bible passage or Watchtower lesson. Other members can give reaction to the previous person’s comments or share their own thoughts about the passage.

“We really see the benefit of that pattern of each person expressing their faith where possible,” Semonian said. He pointed to the apostle Paul who called for an “interchange of encouragement” in many of his letters, signifying that the church is meant to be a unified body where all are equal. In fact, there is no clergy/layman distinction, Simonian said, the leaders are considered servants of the church.

After people finish their roundtable, the leader directs the congregation back to The Watchtower and reads a new passage and the discussion begins anew on the new passage.

According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses Web site,“Each congregation tries to reach all the people in its neighborhood with a brief Bible message,” and that includes during the service as well.

Jehovah’s Witness churches do have a group of leaders who travel from church to church, but they do not give long sermons and will typically base them on the discussion to happen later.

Union County has two Jehovah’s Witnesses churches. One in Indian Trail on Chestnut Lane and one in Monroe on Lancaster Avenue.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#5 Jan 11, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses were taught by their Governing Body to hate all who are not members of their religion. They have preach hatred of non-JWs for decades. Only now have they softened in their view to toward others only because they had to. They either had to adapt or die.
Society in general just had enough of intolerance in all aspects of race, creed or religion. Jehovah's Witnesses were faced with a public becoming increasingly aware of what they were printing in it their journals and many of them found it very disturbing. The Watchtower was basically forced to lighten up on it's biased rhetoric and propaganda or be extinguished. Now with a public and private version of the Watchtower they can get away with it a little longer.
Everything CIA said is completely untrue.
AURORAMOM

Villa Park, IL

#6 Jan 11, 2010
I thought Jehovah's Witnesses did not "brag" to the media, that is why no one is aware of ANY charitable works they do???

Hmmm!!
dee lightful

Williamston, SC

#7 Jan 11, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses were taught by their Governing Body to hate all who are not members of their religion. They have preach hatred of non-JWs for decades. Only now have they softened in their view to toward others only because they had to. They either had to adapt or die.
Society in general just had enough of intolerance in all aspects of race, creed or religion. Jehovah's Witnesses were faced with a public becoming increasingly aware of what they were printing in it their journals and many of them found it very disturbing. The Watchtower was basically forced to lighten up on it's biased rhetoric and propaganda or be extinguished. Now with a public and private version of the Watchtower they can get away with it a little longer.
How long will the private version remain hidden?
Reader

Kitchener, Canada

#8 Jan 11, 2010
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
INDIAN TRAIL -- Kingdom Hall Jehovah’s Witnesses aim to include everyone.

“Something that is outstanding is our unity,” said David Semonian, a spokesman for the church.“God is not partial, so neither are we.”
It is outstanding, indeed. Unfortunately, this "unity" is achieved by quelling every and any dissent. It is not a "natural" unity. It is accomplished through high control measures like making someone a social outcast for espousing an opinion different from what is officially recognized.
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
During the week they can be seen proselytizing door-to-door and in services they allow everyone a chance to speak.
Actually, not everyone. Only those who "qualify." You have to meet standards of acceptance, based upon time dedicated, ability to parrot their beliefs and conform to their way of doing things.
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
Racially, they are inclusive as well. The Kingdom Hall church in Indian Trail is so racially divided with Hispanics, blacks and whites that it is impossible to determine which is dominant.
They are indeed racially inclusive, and this is a good thing. I have been in a congregation that was almost all black, and being un-black, I did not feel like an outsider at all.
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
The service itself is fully inclusive as well.
Instead of one person preaching to the congregation, a leader reads passages out of a publication called The Watchtower that is based on a biblical passage and extrapolates lessons from that passage.

Again, not fully inclusive. There are standards to be met to participate. And try to say something that differs from the official position and see if you get called on to comment again.
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
A microphone is passed around the room and members of the congregation share their perspectives on the Bible passage or Watchtower lesson. Other members can give reaction to the previous person’s comments or share their own thoughts about the passage.
Not their "own" thoughts. Thoughts that have been transmitted to them from the GB. They are allowed to share the official perspective on bible passages, in their own words. This is a powerful control technique.
Reader

Kitchener, Canada

#9 Jan 11, 2010
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
“We really see the benefit of that pattern of each person expressing their faith where possible,” Semonian said. He pointed to the apostle Paul who called for an “interchange of encouragement” in many of his letters, signifying that the church is meant to be a unified body where all are equal. In fact, there is no clergy/layman distinction, Simonian said, the leaders are considered servants of the church.
More bullshit. Ask any witness about how 'good' everybody gets when the CO or DO visit. Their actions belie their claim to no clergy/laity distinction.
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
After people finish their roundtable, the leader directs the congregation back to The Watchtower and reads a new passage and the discussion begins anew on the new passage.
Always back to the Watchtower.
The Enquirer-Journal wrote:
According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses Web site,“Each congregation tries to reach all the people in its neighborhood with a brief Bible message,” and that includes during the service as well.

Jehovah’s Witness churches do have a group of leaders who travel from church to church, but they do not give long sermons and will typically base them on the discussion to happen later.

Union County has two Jehovah’s Witnesses churches. One in Indian Trail on Chestnut Lane and one in Monroe on Lancaster Avenue.
The JW's are so afraid of dissension, that they counsel their member to not even read material that disagrees with their views, lest they be persuaded of a different faith.

Their belief system is so weak that they need to protect their members from any views that may expose them, since there is no cogent defense that can be mounted without huge logical fallacies.

It's a pity that so many people have had their lives harmed by this group.
dee lightful

Williamston, SC

#10 Jan 11, 2010
Gareth wrote:
Here is the article:
== QUOTE:==
INDIAN TRAIL -- Kingdom Hall Jehovah’s Witnesses aim to include everyone.
“Something that is outstanding is our unity,” said David Semonian, a spokesman for the church.“God is not partial, so neither are we.”
During the week they can be seen proselytizing door-to-door and in services they allow everyone a chance to speak.
Racially, they are inclusive as well. The Kingdom Hall church in Indian Trail is so racially divided with Hispanics, blacks and whites that it is impossible to determine which is dominant.
The service itself is fully inclusive as well.
Instead of one person preaching to the congregation, a leader reads passages out of a publication called The Watchtower that is based on a biblical passage and extrapolates lessons from that passage.
A microphone is passed around the room and members of the congregation share their perspectives on the Bible passage or Watchtower lesson. Other members can give reaction to the previous person’s comments or share their own thoughts about the passage.
“We really see the benefit of that pattern of each person expressing their faith where possible,” Semonian said. He pointed to the apostle Paul who called for an “interchange of encouragement” in many of his letters, signifying that the church is meant to be a unified body where all are equal. In fact, there is no clergy/layman distinction, Simonian said, the leaders are considered servants of the church.
After people finish their roundtable, the leader directs the congregation back to The Watchtower and reads a new passage and the discussion begins anew on the new passage.
According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses Web site,“Each congregation tries to reach all the people in its neighborhood with a brief Bible message,” and that includes during the service as well.
Jehovah’s Witness churches do have a group of leaders who travel from church to church, but they do not give long sermons and will typically base them on the discussion to happen later.
Union County has two Jehovah’s Witnesses churches. One in Indian Trail on Chestnut Lane and one in Monroe on Lancaster Avenue.
What a bunch of boloney!
Studying the WT is not studying the bible as the WT takes scripture out of context to fit their doctrine, it is simply the opinion of men that the JW is force to believe on pain of disfellowshipping and lost of family and friends.. The microphone is passed around so JW's can answer the questions in the WT but the answer are printed in the WT so the JW is giving the answers that the WT has printed,like robots. There is no discussion of individual's thoughts for you are not allowed individual thoughts as only what is printed in the WT magazine is acceptable in a forced conformity.
red blood relative

United States

#11 Jan 11, 2010
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything CIA said is completely untrue.
gee cia, based on what garreff just said, you must have said a lot of truth.

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#12 Jan 11, 2010
Gareth wrote:
Here is the article:
== QUOTE:==
INDIAN TRAIL -- Kingdom Hall Jehovah’s Witnesses aim to include everyone.
“Something that is outstanding is our unity,” said David Semonian, a spokesman for the church.“God is not partial, so neither are we.”
During the week they can be seen proselytizing door-to-door and in services they allow everyone a chance to speak.
Racially, they are inclusive as well. The Kingdom Hall church in Indian Trail is so racially divided with Hispanics, blacks and whites that it is impossible to determine which is dominant.
The service itself is fully inclusive as well.
Instead of one person preaching to the congregation, a leader reads passages out of a publication called The Watchtower that is based on a biblical passage and extrapolates lessons from that passage.
A microphone is passed around the room and members of the congregation share their perspectives on the Bible passage or Watchtower lesson. Other members can give reaction to the previous person’s comments or share their own thoughts about the passage.
“We really see the benefit of that pattern of each person expressing their faith where possible,” Semonian said. He pointed to the apostle Paul who called for an “interchange of encouragement” in many of his letters, signifying that the church is meant to be a unified body where all are equal. In fact, there is no clergy/layman distinction, Simonian said, the leaders are considered servants of the church.
After people finish their roundtable, the leader directs the congregation back to The Watchtower and reads a new passage and the discussion begins anew on the new passage.
According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses Web site,“Each congregation tries to reach all the people in its neighborhood with a brief Bible message,” and that includes during the service as well.
Jehovah’s Witness churches do have a group of leaders who travel from church to church, but they do not give long sermons and will typically base them on the discussion to happen later.
Union County has two Jehovah’s Witnesses churches. One in Indian Trail on Chestnut Lane and one in Monroe on Lancaster Avenue.
That is example is definitely the exception.

It was also cleansed and sanitized so as not to offend or bring unwanted attention to what they are really like.

Why must a Bible discussion be out of a Watchtower. Can non-members say and explain why they disagree with a particular Watchtower viewpoint and continue to come and disagree?

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#13 Jan 11, 2010
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> How long will the private version remain hidden?
I am personally distributing my wife's collection to anyone who wants to really know what Witnesses teach INSIDE their secretive society.

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#14 Jan 11, 2010
red blood relative wrote:
<quoted text>
gee cia, based on what garreff just said, you must have said a lot of truth.
LOL.

GRTH never agrees with anything I say. He said it's okay to call him anything as long as it has GRTH in it. He will answer to it. He claims that God is the same way with JHVH.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#15 Jan 11, 2010
CIA FREE said:
Jehovah's Witnesses were taught by their Governing Body to hate all who are not members of their religion. They have preach hatred of non-JWs for decades. Only now have they softened in their view to toward others only because they had to. They either had to adapt or die.

Society in general just had enough of intolerance in all aspects of race, creed or religion. Jehovah's Witnesses were faced with a public becoming increasingly aware of what they were printing in it their journals and many of them found it very disturbing. The Watchtower was basically forced to lighten up on it's biased rhetoric and propaganda or be extinguished. Now with a public and private version of the Watchtower they can get away with it a little longer.

==========

We have the remember that back in the 60's and early 70's....we were taught a much more hardline approach to the WTS message....much more forceful and much more ABRASIVE than what we see being delivered today,

because we were ALSO led to believe that there were only a "few months left" to this old system of things and we HAD to get the people's attention on this or WE would be bloodguilty.

Despite the many WT articles in subsequent years that mentioned towards "the end" that the message would be more direct and aggressive....I have seen quite the opposite come true....the WTS writers have backed off on this and have actually gone the other way.

NOW the WTS has focused on teaching their loyal followers to hate anyone that does not worship the way the GB SEZ to....and to hate anyone that has walked away from the ever-growing mountain of man-made requirements coming out of Brooklyn.
dee lightful

Williamston, SC

#16 Jan 11, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
I am personally distributing my wife's collection to anyone who wants to really know what Witnesses teach INSIDE their secretive society.
I would like to know as many others would. Can you post any of it?
AURORAMOM

Mount Prospect, IL

#17 Jan 11, 2010
How many gays are allowed at the Kingdom Hall??
Every seen a gay family at the Kingdom Hall??
Yes, gay men are welcomed at Bethel, but what about gay women??? What about gay families?

How about those in the military? Where they are called "trained killers" and "bloodthirsty" on a regular basis?

How about any person that loves their country, and wants to salute their flag or stand up and sing it at an event?

How about someone who is happy their child was born and wants to throw a party every year??

Wow, just a small sampling of those "not included" in the cult.

The BS just does not stop!
"Everyone" my butt!

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#18 Jan 11, 2010
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> I would like to know as many others would. Can you post any of it?
Hope this helps. It's a link to the private or study copies:

http://www.jw.org/index.html...

Check out the Watchtower March 15, 2010 copy. The first article is about Jehovah's Witnesses being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. Are they for real? They haven't baptized in that way in decades.

Also check out that beaming Watchtower trademarked idol on page 23. It's supposed to be a fulfillment of this:

They “Will Shine
as Brightly as the Sun”

16 At what time do the
wheatlike ones “shine as
brightly as the sun”?(Matt.
13:43)

Then you get their goofy 1918 inspection foolishness but this time they leave out the names of the moron and his friends who were locked up but set free again to compose that nonsense.
dee lightful

Williamston, SC

#19 Jan 11, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
Hope this helps. It's a link to the private or study copies:
http://www.jw.org/index.html...
Check out the Watchtower March 15, 2010 copy. The first article is about Jehovah's Witnesses being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. Are they for real? They haven't baptized in that way in decades.
Also check out that beaming Watchtower trademarked idol on page 23. It's supposed to be a fulfillment of this:
They “Will Shine
as Brightly as the Sun”
16 At what time do the
wheatlike ones “shine as
brightly as the sun”?(Matt.
13:43)
Then you get their goofy 1918 inspection foolishness but this time they leave out the names of the moron and his friends who were locked up but set free again to compose that nonsense.
Thanks, CIA.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#20 Jan 11, 2010
Gareth wrote:
You don't sound much like you were an elder.
Where did you learn the potty mouth after 50 years of speaking with decency?
Probably the same place Yuni and NR learned them.
Happy feet wrote:
That was funny Nevada but not has funny has what Jackie said about you I'd like to take that bitch and knock her yellow teeth out!LOL!
NEVADA_ROSE wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to inform you of this....,but you have made the biggest ass of yourself.....,you and that mega turd....,full blown.
Don't bother flattering yourself.
NOT REALLY took you both to the cleaners.

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