The Village Crier...Zoneing battle

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Since: Apr 09

Center Moriches, NY

#1 Feb 14, 2012
I got this email that is interesting. Since I cannot make meetings Ill post it so those of you likw me can read it.
1.The Zoning Battle of Mastic Beach

Kudos to all the good citizens of Mastic Beach who turned out in force last week to reject the zoning proposals especially the commercial development of our waterfront. I went to Tuesday’s meeting and have reports to share with you from Monday’s and Wednesday’s meetings as well. I would like to present to you a synopsis of those meetings and the apparent inter-board power struggle between the mayor and deputy mayor that came to a head on Wednesday night.

Monday’s meeting at the firehouse was packed with 200+ people. The amount of opposition to zoning the waterfront for commercial development was overwhelming without exaggeration. Seeing the opposition to the proposals, our mayor (much to his credit) attempted to acquiesce to the will of the people and tried to pull the zoning changes off the table. But the deputy mayor and the three remaining trustees voted to override him and continued to force the issue of the zoning changes even though the will of the people was perfectly clear from the start.Tuesday’s meeting was at the firehouse as well and we had approx. 125+ in attendance. Again, overwhelming opposition to the changes. One speaker got up and informed the deputy mayor that he was in violation of the village ethics code by not disclosing that he was within 200 feet of the zoning changes. The deputy mayor would have had his property zoned entirely commercial rather than part residential and would have benefited with an increase in property value from the zoning changes. The speaker informed the deputy mayor that by failing to disclose that information any vote on the changes would be invalidated as well as being grounds for his dismissal from the board. In addition to the deputy mayor’s enhanced property value, the changes also included a height change for cell towers from 32 to 35 feet allowing the deputy mayor to apply for a future cell tower permit on his property which would generate $5,000+ a month in personal rental income for the deputy mayor.

The mayor was not in attendance Tuesday because at the beginning of the meeting his wife had been abused by profanity from a vendor that the village uses. I’m am deeply disappointed by the inaction of the remaining board members in their FAILURE to eject this person from the meeting. He was allowed to stay all night. If I had been profane to anyone’s wife I would have been ejected that night and in all likelihood permanently banned from all meetings.

Since: Apr 09

Center Moriches, NY

#2 Feb 14, 2012
Wednesday’s meeting was WW III. Again, overwhelming opposition to the changes. But that night there was a “coup” attempt backed by the deputy mayor and trustees who co-opted trustee Bob Morrow to read the resolution (without any input or knowledge of it by the mayor) to fire the village attorney which is an appointment of the mayor and I believe can only be fired by him. Then the four trustees motioned to hire a second village attorney named Lee Snead. So now we have two (?) village attorneys until this can be legally decided.

So to recap, people with little to no experience in zoning proposed massive changes, where some would profit, seeking out little to no initial public input from which our mayor wanted to withdraw from but our trustees, ignoring the will of the people, tried to keep the issue “forced” open with a “coup-de-tat” of the village government as a final act on Wednesday night.

Ladies and Gentlemen, you just can’t make this stuff up. Do you think that all of this has occurred from overzealous inexperience or deliberate calculation that backfired?

I think that as long as we have the current makeup of trustees , we will continue to have the appearance of this type of “smoke-filled”,“backroom”,“you , the public, are here to serve us and you‘ll do as we say” mentality. The waterfront development issue will be tried again. Bet on it!

Bob Morrow and Ken Olivio (who was appointed trustee and not elected) are up for re-election on March 20th. I strongly recommend you start there with more reasonable replacements.

One person in the community has attended every workshop and meeting and his name is Alan Chasinov. He is as well versed in village operations as any trustee and it is due in part to his vigilance that the zoning changes were brought to the public forefront and defeated for now.

I also recommend you vote for Gail Cappiello who has been a community organizer/civic activist in Osprey Point. She’s intelligent, speaks her mind and can always be seen volunteering her time at community events. They both believe in “fairness”,“openness”, and “preservation”.

As long as the board stays the same then the threat of commercial development of our waterfront will remain. The only way to protect our waterfront is to ZONE IT PARKLAND which allows single family homes to be built but brings the state in to oversee and approve any changes to that zoning. This is the only way to preserve what we have from this administration and future ones. Email the village at incvillageofmasticbeach@gmail. com; Put “ZONE THE WATERFRONT PARKLAND” in the “subject” bar of your e-mail and send it to the mayor and trustees and tell them to protect YOUR waterfront.

Now on a separate note, The Mastic Beach Village Crier made its debut last we week and sent out 300 e-mails. Within 48 hours we had 42 new subscribers while 4 people opted out (plus I got one anonymous “you stink” letter) for a net total of 38 which is a 13% return and that’s great. Thank you all for forwarding our letter to your friends and neighbors. Keep it up. It is the goal of the “Crier” to be in 1,000 households and provide you with news you won’t get anywhere else. Help us reach our goal and subscribe here.

B. Summa

Since: Apr 09

Center Moriches, NY

#3 Feb 14, 2012
Somehow this got posted second. Topix snafu

The Zoning Battle of Mastic Beach

Kudos to all the good citizens of Mastic Beach who turned out in force last week to reject the zoning proposals especially the commercial development of our waterfront. I went to Tuesday’s meeting and have reports to share with you from Monday’s and Wednesday’s meetings as well. I would like to present to you a synopsis of those meetings and the apparent inter-board power struggle between the mayor and deputy mayor that came to a head on Wednesday night.

Monday’s meeting at the firehouse was packed with 200+ people. The amount of opposition to zoning the waterfront for commercial development was overwhelming without exaggeration. Seeing the opposition to the proposals, our mayor (much to his credit) attempted to acquiesce to the will of the people and tried to pull the zoning changes off the table. But the deputy mayor and the three remaining trustees voted to override him and continued to force the issue of the zoning changes even though the will of the people was perfectly clear from the start.

Tuesday’s meeting was at the firehouse as well and we had approx. 125+ in attendance. Again, overwhelming opposition to the changes. One speaker got up and informed the deputy mayor that he was in violation of the village ethics code by not disclosing that he was within 200 feet of the zoning changes. The deputy mayor would have had his property zoned entirely commercial rather than part residential and would have benefited with an increase in property value from the zoning changes. The speaker informed the deputy mayor that by failing to disclose that information any vote on the changes would be invalidated as well as being grounds for his dismissal from the board. In addition to the deputy mayor’s enhanced property value, the changes also included a height change for cell towers from 32 to 35 feet allowing the deputy mayor to apply for a future cell tower permit on his property which would generate $5,000+ a month in personal rental income for the deputy mayor.

The mayor was not in attendance Tuesday because at the beginning of the meeting his wife had been abused by profanity from a vendor that the village uses. I’m am deeply disappointed by the inaction of the remaining board members in their FAILURE to eject this person from the meeting. He was allowed to stay all night. If I had been profane to anyone’s wife I would have been ejected that night and in all likelihood permanently banned from all meetings.

Since: Dec 07

Mastic Beach N.Y.

#4 Feb 14, 2012
Sorry Beach Man, but this is crazy talk
Ride

Saint James, NY

#5 Feb 14, 2012
All of the various factions did unite to stop the waterfront from being zoned commercial. The mayor still has support. But the deputy mayor and the rest of the board of trustees have to go.
The meeting at the firehouse tonight is very important.The board of trustees have hired their own attorney, and will refuse to answer any questions.
There will be lots of residents there tonight demanding answers.

Since: Dec 07

Mastic Beach N.Y.

#6 Feb 14, 2012
The waterfront was proposed to be zoned"waterfront" not commercial.Were there commercial elements to the zone? Yes,but if you read the code you will see that it is/was pretty restrictive.
Ride

Saint James, NY

#7 Feb 14, 2012
whoopsing wrote:
The waterfront was proposed to be zoned"waterfront" not commercial.Were there commercial elements to the zone? Yes,but if you read the code you will see that it is/was pretty restrictive.
The point is the different sides who previously were fighting came together to defeat an obviously flawed zoning plan. The deputy mayor and board of trustees were set to vote yes and pass it. The only reason they didn't was the plan violated a dozen NY State laws including no environmental impact plan was ever done.
Now the board of trustees must answer why they were in such a rush. Or maybe their new attorney will invoke the 5th and advise the board not to say anything that may incriminate them.
hahaha

Shirley, NY

#8 Feb 14, 2012
whoopsing wrote:
The waterfront was proposed to be zoned"waterfront" not commercial.Were there commercial elements to the zone? Yes,but if you read the code you will see that it is/was pretty restrictive.
it was zoned waterfront/commercial district. it included alot of language about how to build hotels, restaurants and other development. if they wanted to make sure no building happened on the waterfront, it should have been labelled parkland, or waterfront/parkland. no matter how restrictive it is/was, a developer can always find a way.
MB Lover

Shirley, NY

#9 Feb 14, 2012
I can't wait to see which friends are now appointed to the Zoning Board.
Its just not right

Mastic Beach, NY

#10 Feb 14, 2012
hahaha wrote:
<quoted text>
it was zoned waterfront/commercial district. it included alot of language about how to build hotels, restaurants and other development. if they wanted to make sure no building happened on the waterfront, it should have been labelled parkland, or waterfront/parkland. no matter how restrictive it is/was, a developer can always find a way.
Exactly! I'm so sick of the "you're such an idiot, they won't build hotel". Or the ever popular "the DEC won't allow them to build, what are you, an idiot?"
If they don't want to build, or have no intention of ever building, then take the whole section out that allows COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT!

Turn the waterfront into park lands. Or does the village expect to gain a higher percentage in tax if the land is commercial and not park lands?? Pretty sleazy guys!
Its just not right

Mastic Beach, NY

#11 Feb 14, 2012
whoopsing wrote:
Sorry Beach Man, but this is crazy talk
And tax neutral was sane, huh?

Vote the first two out and lets get this village moving forward. If we have to be a village, might as well get the right people in there to do a proper job.
sick of all this crap

Coram, NY

#12 Feb 14, 2012
To Mr. Sumna,

There were witnesses there that are friends of Mrs Mayor who said that she was not cursed at. The mayor left claiming he had chest pains after he informed a number of people that his letter of regisnation would be at Village Hall the next morning.

Is Alan the man that gets up at every meeting and starts off with YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB? Just because he goes to every meeting does not make him an expert on how to be a trustee. And how do you know the Trustees were going to approve the zoning? I know from speaking to a few of them that there were many guestions that had to be answered and that is why 1 they wanted all 3 meetings and 2 they wanted work session to discuss it.

Maybe the Board of Trustees, whom the attonery works, for felt he was not providing the consul needed to help a new start up Village.
Prouder Mastic Beacher

Coram, NY

#13 Feb 14, 2012
Its just not right wrote:
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And tax neutral was sane, huh?
Vote the first two out and lets get this village moving forward. If we have to be a village, might as well get the right people in there to do a proper job.
And who might they be the MPBOA , because they have done so much
Evan Politico

Sound Beach, NY

#14 Feb 14, 2012
Vote me in Yo! I will return and rule all Mastoidz Yo!
Its just not right

Mastic Beach, NY

#15 Feb 14, 2012
Prouder Mastic Beacher wrote:
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And who might they be the MPBOA , because they have done so much
I do agree with you that they have done a lot for this community, but there are other civics and organizations in MB. We a wide range of people, not 5 dedicated to their own agenda.
Its just not right

Mastic Beach, NY

#16 Feb 14, 2012
sick of all this crap wrote:
To Mr. Sumna,
There were witnesses there that are friends of Mrs Mayor who said that she was not cursed at. The mayor left claiming he had chest pains after he informed a number of people that his letter of regisnation would be at Village Hall the next morning.
Is Alan the man that gets up at every meeting and starts off with YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB? Just because he goes to every meeting does not make him an expert on how to be a trustee. And how do you know the Trustees were going to approve the zoning? I know from speaking to a few of them that there were many guestions that had to be answered and that is why 1 they wanted all 3 meetings and 2 they wanted work session to discuss it.
Maybe the Board of Trustees, whom the attonery works, for felt he was not providing the consul needed to help a new start up Village.
Now THERES a whole lot of crazy talk! NONE of the trustees or mayor had any experience either! AND it showed!

And yes, they were going to force those zoning changes through don't even try to say otherwise! 4 out of 5 have a lot to gain with those changes.
MBV Code Enforcer

Sound Beach, NY

#17 Feb 14, 2012
Just keep your politics to yourselves because Gary has authorized me to lock up the opposition.
Prouder Mastic Beacher

Coram, NY

#18 Feb 14, 2012
Its just not right wrote:
<quoted text>Now THERES a whole lot of crazy talk! NONE of the trustees or mayor had any experience either! AND it showed!
And yes, they were going to force those zoning changes through don't even try to say otherwise! 4 out of 5 have a lot to gain with those changes.
And who are the 4 that will gain by these changes? The only one who I know of is Gary.

Since: Apr 09

Center Moriches, NY

#19 Feb 14, 2012
whoopsing wrote:
Sorry Beach Man, but this is crazy talk
Thats it. This is crazy talk? LMAO Even if it is alot of fabrication it depicts the meeting and what happened. Cant wait to see the minutes on the village web site. Oh thats right its only up to December 2011. In the absence of our village leaders coming foward with information. Ill believe the CRIER.
Oh I forgot whoopsing said it was crazy talk. Ill believe that..........NOT

Since: Dec 07

Mastic Beach N.Y.

#20 Feb 15, 2012
hahaha wrote:
<quoted text>
it was zoned waterfront/commercial district. it included alot of language about how to build hotels, restaurants and other development. if they wanted to make sure no building happened on the waterfront, it should have been labelled parkland, or waterfront/parkland. no matter how restrictive it is/was, a developer can always find a way.
It also included a lot of language,silly stuff I suppose, about maintaining our unique character,about protecting the health and safety of the community,of PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF THE BAY,of making the waterfront more accessable,etc. Does that part count? Maybe we should worry about trump building a skyscraper on top of Woodhull cemetary...because its not zoned parkland,and you KNOW all about those evil developers....they can always find a way.....

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