Mastic Beach Village Incorporation Lines

Mastic Beach Village Incorporation Lines

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Since: Feb 10

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#1 Feb 25, 2010
I understand the Mastic Beach is only homes with a 11951 zip code. Why is the MBVEC proposed Village boundries include propety outside of Mastic Beach? I will post links to two maps here that will show the boundries of each. The first link the Postal Zip Code Map and the second link is the Village boundries.

http://www.zipmap.net/zips/11951.htm

http://www.masticbeach.org/images/map_large.j...

It shows that there is a small section of Shirley within the Village bounds? Why is that? I am goning to find out, or if anyone has an answer please give it to me with the reason. A conspiracy theorist would have a few choice ideas, but I will wait for the truth.
we need change

Bronx, NY

#2 Feb 25, 2010
It is suppose to be a secret.I think the proposed Mayor that is being kept in hiding lives there and is looking and waiting for the village to be enacted than will surface.I think it is a woman[won't mention names] that lost in a past election.Please everyone keep it to yourself.Let the pros break the news to you.
protester

Trenton, NJ

#3 Feb 25, 2010
Scott on Orchid Drive wrote:
I understand the Mastic Beach is only homes with a 11951 zip code. Why is the MBVEC proposed Village boundries include propety outside of Mastic Beach? I will post links to two maps here that will show the boundries of each. The first link the Postal Zip Code Map and the second link is the Village boundries.
http://www.zipmap.net/zips/11951.htm
http://www.masticbeach.org/images/map_large.j...
It shows that there is a small section of Shirley within the Village bounds? Why is that? I am goning to find out, or if anyone has an answer please give it to me with the reason. A conspiracy theorist would have a few choice ideas, but I will wait for the truth.
The MBVEC answer is that the proposed village in Smith Point excluded this sec. on it's map, and the MBVEC decided to add it to the MB village proposal so to not create a void that wasn't part of either village. The MBVEC already decided that the Smith Point and MB village has already gone through, there for it needed to add it. As to the real reason, well, you get to guess on that one. Oh, didn't I say they would never answer your questions, just a lot of huff and puff and f-you buddy. You will NEVER receive a true answer from the MBVEC unless you in the close circle of "friends".
Fail

Port Jefferson Station, NY

#4 Feb 25, 2010
protester wrote:
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The MBVEC answer is that the proposed village in Smith Point excluded this sec. on it's map, and the MBVEC decided to add it to the MB village proposal so to not create a void that wasn't part of either village. The MBVEC already decided that the Smith Point and MB village has already gone through, there for it needed to add it.
Everything except your last sentence makes you sound reasonable. Scott, this is why it happened (as explained above). Once the MBVEC had already established what their boundaries would be the SPBPOA began working on their effort to incorporate. Due to personal grudges between the SPBPOA leadership and people living on John's Neck Rd the SPBPOA decided that they would exclude that portion. Smith Point/Shirley does not have a village yet and the SPBPOA might not even be able to create one but that's not the point.

This could have been the future scenario: An Incorporated Village of Mastic Beach and an Incorporated Village of Smith Point/Shirley side by side with a pocket of homes in limbo.

There is another group, the SPVEC (Smith Point Village Exploratory Committee) that is looking to incorporate all of Shirley south of Sunrise and would have gladly taken in the portion of Shirley that is in the current MBVEC village boundary. But they started late (I think they haven't even been around for a year), and MBVEC can't possibly sit around and wait to see which of the two groups (SPBPOA or SPVEC) would prevail so they took the portion in.

Anything else that "protester", or any other stale teabagging anti-villagers, wants to assume is the reason why parts of Shirley are in our village is nothing more than tin-foil hat black helicopter coming for your guns nonsense.
Really

Trenton, NJ

#5 Feb 25, 2010
THEY DON'T LIVE IN MASTIC BEACH!!! Who cares what the SPBPOA or the SPVEC are doing. The people that actually live in Shirley, that includes John's Neck, should decide for themselves what residents of Shirley should so with their hamlet.

The are MBVEC forcing people THAT DON'T EVEN LIVE IN MASTIC BEACH how to live. IF and yes that is a capital IF this hamlet becomes a village it will be so riddled with lawsuits nothing will ever get done except bleed the middle class dry.
we need change

Bronx, NY

#6 Feb 25, 2010
You want to regulate sober homes village.Your at a loss.It is in todays news a federal judge ruled that the county has no jurisdiction over sober homes.You will gain as much ground as the county is doing which is going nowhere.Unless the federal and state laws are changed you will be able to do nothing to correct the problems in this community.Save your tax dollars mastic beach all there promises to give us a better quality of life here will have no backing to it.It is just a bunch of bull.

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#7 Feb 25, 2010
Fail, thank you for your honest answer and for not delving into non-issue items. Your answer gives a clear reason why MBVEC chose to add the little slice of Shirley. Now, if personal grudges were the reason that they were excluded from SPBOA, could they be the reason they were included in the MBV incorporation lines?

Now I have lived here for going on 6 years now, I am not privy to old grudges, slights whatever, but what I am against is what I see as an unneccessary layer of government. I feel that the village will be unable to follow through on their promises of code enforecement and zoning enforcement. You cannot legally get rid of rental homes. You are able to pass new zoning and code laws, well as long as they are not in conflict with federal, state and town law. We live in New York, arguably the most litigious state in the nation. When residents start filing lawsuits against the Village because they want to put a pool in their backyard, the per-diem price of an attorney will start to really add up. Who pays for this? Us, the residents. This is just one example of why I am against the village, not because of interpersonal fighting due to years old problems, but because it is a taxable entity we do not need.
protester

Trenton, NJ

#8 Feb 26, 2010
Ok "Fail", you think I'm unreasonable now, wait and see what I do if this place becomes a village and fines and fees start rolling in.
On another topic, nice snow day we are having here. Guess what the town won't do for a village in Suffolk county? Plow the roads. They will plow the main roads and the costal evacuation routes, but they won't plow the secondary or smaller streets. The village will need to work out a new contract for that. I don't recall seeing snow removal in the budget.
Laughing

Trenton, NJ

#9 Feb 26, 2010
protester wrote:
Ok "Fail", you think I'm unreasonable now, wait and see what I do if this place becomes a village and fines and fees start rolling in.
On another topic, nice snow day we are having here. Guess what the town won't do for a village in Suffolk county? Plow the roads. They will plow the main roads and the costal evacuation routes, but they won't plow the secondary or smaller streets. The village will need to work out a new contract for that. I don't recall seeing snow removal in the budget.
So now you want to tell people of Mastic Beach that the Highway taxes that we are all paying will no longer provide for snow removal, once we become a village. Nonsense.
MBVEC Borders

Trenton, NJ

#10 Feb 26, 2010
I would like to add my two cents about the inclusion of portions of Shirley (John's Neck area and parts of Neighborhood Road).

Originally, MBVEC planned to only cover the entire area of 11951. We were approached by members of Johns Neck because their area was being excluded by SPBPOA. We held a meeting in Shirley library in Feb 2009 with SPBPOA, MBVEC and Johns Neck people. We were concerned that if that area was not in the SPBPOA or MBVEC village, it would become a pocket of poverty between both of our future villages. Well, SPBPOA refused to include those 250 houses, so MBVEC voted to include them at a public meeting held in March 2009.

Per NY Village law, we are able to set up a village as long as it is less than 5 square miles and the houses included are NOT part of any other village. There may be those who suspect the reason to include those houses is because a certain politically connected person lives there, but I can assure you that was not the reason.

Remember, parts of Neighborhood Rd are Shirley, and if we did not include those houses, we could have illegal rentals all along our Main St.

I am always happy to answer any questions, so do not hesitate to ask.
we need change

Bronx, NY

#11 Feb 26, 2010
If the incorporated village has so much power than get that federal judge to change his tune on the sobor home laws that will devastate this community.If incorporated and a code enforcer even goes near a sober home the tenants will file suit in federal court for harassment and will own us which is the homeowners.You will go from owener to tenant with 1 class action suit if an award is given.A village will have no rites or power with laws that surpass yours and unfortunately these laws protect the criminals of our community.
fed up with infighting

Bronx, NY

#12 Feb 26, 2010
Laughing wrote:
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So now you want to tell people of Mastic Beach that the Highway taxes that we are all paying will no longer provide for snow removal, once we become a village. Nonsense.
call them and ask. i did. if mastic beach becomes a village, the services will all be ala carte. right now we get services at a discounted rate because we have a PACKAGE, shared by all brookhaven homeowners. since you want to do your own code enforcement, then EVERY other service we already get will not be at the same rate. they will all be ALA CARTE. snow removal on major roads only. terxiery roads are EXTRA. anyone can get this information. if it was so easy for me to get why doesn't the mbvec know about it??

everyone. check it out.
protester

Trenton, NJ

#13 Feb 26, 2010
Laughing wrote:
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So now you want to tell people of Mastic Beach that the Highway taxes that we are all paying will no longer provide for snow removal, once we become a village. Nonsense.
Ask the town Highway Dept. then. Apparently I don't know, why don't you find out for yourself.
Fed up with the lies

Miller Place, NY

#14 Feb 26, 2010
As a village you can pick the services you would like to take over. As of right now the main thing would be code enforcement. Once again I do not know where you are getting your info from, however there are no plans to take over highway services. The highway dept are the ones that do snow removal. It would be at the same price the town of brookhaven would still be getting a "package" price for those services and we will still be using them. However in the future once the village is formed and there is a mayor and board of trustees in place they could look into taking over some of the services but they would get bids from different companies and would only do it if the bids were economically wise.
fed up with infighting wrote:
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call them and ask. i did. if mastic beach becomes a village, the services will all be ala carte. right now we get services at a discounted rate because we have a PACKAGE, shared by all brookhaven homeowners. since you want to do your own code enforcement, then EVERY other service we already get will not be at the same rate. they will all be ALA CARTE. snow removal on major roads only. terxiery roads are EXTRA. anyone can get this information. if it was so easy for me to get why doesn't the mbvec know about it??
everyone. check it out.
fed up with infighting

Bronx, NY

#15 Feb 26, 2010
protester wrote:
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Ask the town Highway Dept. then. Apparently I don't know, why don't you find out for yourself.
i already spoke to the town of brookhaven. i did find out. i posted to let everyone else know so that they too, could have the facts and check them if they want to.
fed up with infighting

Bronx, NY

#16 Feb 26, 2010
Fed up with the lies wrote:
As a village you can pick the services you would like to take over. As of right now the main thing would be code enforcement. Once again I do not know where you are getting your info from, however there are no plans to take over highway services. The highway dept are the ones that do snow removal. It would be at the same price the town of brookhaven would still be getting a "package" price for those services and we will still be using them. However in the future once the village is formed and there is a mayor and board of trustees in place they could look into taking over some of the services but they would get bids from different companies and would only do it if the bids were economically wise.
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you obviously didnt read the post correctly. what i said was that when you take over code enforcement, ALL other services; which includes highway will then have to be paid to TOB at a premium ala carte rate.(because now we are getting a package that is discounted for all homeowners in brookhaven)

so in essence you will pay a higher premium on services that we already get and will still be getting from TOB.
Fed up with the lies

Miller Place, NY

#17 Feb 26, 2010
I read your post perfectly! You obviously misread my post!! The town of Brookhaven is getting a package rate not Mastic Beach. If we become a village the town will still get the same package rate!! We will still be homeowners in the town of Brookhaven receiving services from the town of brookhaven!! You know what i think you should do, go on the village website and there is an email link there, email your 1001 questions to that email. It goes to the directors because obviously your going to dispute everything anyone says. Maybe you can request them to answer your questions in a public forum instead of telling us how wrong we all are here.
fed up with infighting wrote:
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you obviously didnt read the post correctly. what i said was that when you take over code enforcement, ALL other services; which includes highway will then have to be paid to TOB at a premium ala carte rate.(because now we are getting a package that is discounted for all homeowners in brookhaven)
so in essence you will pay a higher premium on services that we already get and will still be getting from TOB.
fed up with infighting

Bronx, NY

#18 Feb 26, 2010
Fed up with the lies wrote:
I read your post perfectly! You obviously misread my post!! The town of Brookhaven is getting a package rate not Mastic Beach. If we become a village the town will still get the same package rate!! We will still be homeowners in the town of Brookhaven receiving services from the town of brookhaven!! You know what i think you should do, go on the village website and there is an email link there, email your 1001 questions to that email. It goes to the directors because obviously your going to dispute everything anyone says. Maybe you can request them to answer your questions in a public forum instead of telling us how wrong we all are here.
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I UNDERSTAND i have spoken to town; not in an email, in person. the TOWN gets a package rate a VILLAGE will not. CALL them. ASK them. stop harassing me for giving you information that you obviously did not know.
William Floyd

Tenafly, NJ

#19 Feb 26, 2010
Since "The TOWN" is a municipality, you clearly have not spoken "it". So therefore you spoke to SOMEONE, a representative at the Town of Broohaven. So perhaps you might explain WHOM that was. Did you speak to someone in the Highway Superintendent's office? Or some lackey in a local highway yard? Did you speak to someone in the Town Council or Town Supervisor's office? Or perhaps the budget office, the director of finance? WHOM....perhaps it is YOU who were given incorrect information. You may need to clarify that if we are to get anywhere with answers to these questions.

Since: Feb 10

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#20 Feb 26, 2010
ok guys it looks like i finally go the answer to my question of why the boundry lines were drawnt he way they were. Fail, i appreciate your anser, but I believe that you have been lied to.
The reasont he MBVEC drew the incorporation lines the way they did was to include Betty Manzella in the incorpaorated village district. She has failed in her running for office against Kate Browning. I voted for Betty once, because I am a Republican and voted the party ticket.
But it seems rather fishy that Mrs. Manzella woulod want o be part of Mastic Beach, when on her facebook and myspoace pages she is from Shirley, NY.
I believe that the MBVEC sees MB as the only viable village in the area due to the unique waterfront access and they will do whatever they need to in order to sieze control of it.
The Pattersquash Creek Civic Association appears to be the driving force behind the incorporation. If I am incorrect, please correct me. Now, an issue directly related to Pattersquash Creek, the stick docks. The town will condemn any dock that falls into disrepair. Most homeowners that have a stick dock bought their house because of the waterfront access afford to them by the stick dock. What can you do to protect these induviuals?
So to repeat the information in this post. The boundry lines were drawn to include the current VP of the MBVEC, Betty Manzella, who has political asperations and the line that FAIL was given is a bunch of hooey.
My fellow MB residents, follow the money. Besides the quality of life issues that most of us could agree on, please follow the money in the incorporated village. Who would benefit personally from incorporation? And who would suffer?
I am not going to argue that we have been dumped opun for many years by the state and town, but I know that a village will beunable to fix the problems we have.

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