Security at William Floyd HS is a JOKE!!!

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Mar 3, 2010
 
I dont understand with all the taxes us homeowners pay to the William Floyd School District, and all the security guards working at the school....How is it possible that 2 men "ran" past security and beat this boy???? There is something definetely wrong here and the school should be investigated for all the "things" that go on in these schools (that nobody hears about). Everyday I drive by that high school and there are many students off school grounds with the security guards 20 feet away from them. Why have security if they dont do their job?!?!?!? Im sure we will be hearing alot more about this in the near future.

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Christine wrote:
I dont understand with all the taxes us homeowners pay to the William Floyd School District, and all the security guards working at the school....How is it possible that 2 men "ran" past security and beat this boy???? There is something definetely wrong here and the school should be investigated for all the "things" that go on in these schools (that nobody hears about). Everyday I drive by that high school and there are many students off school grounds with the security guards 20 feet away from them. Why have security if they dont do their job?!?!?!? Im sure we will be hearing alot more about this in the near future.
Well Christene the answer is very easy. Walk up to a student and ask them to return to the building. Either they comply or don't. You confuse security with an administrator. The school administrative department is responsible for getting the students into class. Security guards are there to observe and report. That means taking down names if you know them and reporting to administrators. I have been a school guard for 24 years in another district. Not WF. I cannot lay my hands on a student unless that student is acting in a violent or illegal manor. I used to be able to drag kids to the office but that's a thing of the past. Even now if a kid is fighting and I get involved I'm taking a chance. What if they get hurt? I take the chance of getting sued along with the school. And that happens all to often. I miss the old days of chasing kids across town and throwing them in the car and back to school.
Now as for the two butt wipes who ran into the building. Maybe they got to far but if someone walks in the door and then runs its not easy to catch them for a while. Where not SCPD. The fact that they were held by security and arrested is an A+ for security. Maybe tighten up security a little. In my school there over 25 doors leading to the outside. No school district can afford a guard for each door. With cell phones and a couple of friends an intruder can slip into a building unnoticed very easily. So we install camera's and check doors as often as possible. Its against fire code to have doors chained. I'm sure WF is doing the best they can with what they have.
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Mar 3, 2010
 
Sorry Beach Man but I completely disagree with you. As per my name I am a parent of a student who goes to this school. There was four security guards at the door where this started they were asked to show i.d. and started mouthing off about it. The problem should have stopped there by security telling them they needed to leave. There is a three foot walk to the desk to give i.d. Instead of this happening they let them mouth off then these men seen the student and the chase was on from there through the hallways to a completely different side of the building.(and the building is big) screaming and yelling while classes are going on while passing eight security guards on the way. By the time they all got there to get these men the kid ended up in the hospital (that is sad). Although it is to my understanding that this kid does cause problems as per what the student said to news12 this never should have happened to him. With or without the mother bringing them up there. They are still adults who could have walked there or found another way to get there. And Christine I do agree I think we will hear more about this issue considering the men went to court today. And yes there is alot more that goes on there then we hear about and they should be investigated!!!!! Sooner then later. Parents need to call the New York State Board of Education and go to Board Meetings to complain.
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Mar 3, 2010
 
Christine wrote:
I dont understand with all the taxes us homeowners pay to the William Floyd School District, and all the security guards working at the school....How is it possible that 2 men "ran" past security and beat this boy???? There is something definetely wrong here and the school should be investigated for all the "things" that go on in these schools (that nobody hears about). Everyday I drive by that high school and there are many students off school grounds with the security guards 20 feet away from them. Why have security if they dont do their job?!?!?!? Im sure we will be hearing alot more about this in the near future.
it is possible because security guards have their hands tied by administration and school board. floyd is running scared because the state cited them for suspending too many "children with disabilities of ethnicity" they have poor test scores and a poor graduation rate and don't want added attention.
our children are paying the price by having to sit in class with kids who will not let them learn. good kids are being suspended for minor violations, while repeat offenders that curse at teachers and disrupt classes are being allowed to stay in school.

it is all about the MONEY. if you want change, go to a board meeting, get all of your friends to go too. make the administration listen. we have power. we pay the school, not the other way around. this site is a good place to start, but parents really need to go to school and complain, if that doesnt work go to the press. floyd definitely doesn't want that
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"children with disabilities of ethnicity"
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thats what it says on the school's website. it is directly from nys. it means anybody who is not white, i guess. thats not floyd thats the state of ny
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thats what it says on the school's website. it is directly from nys. it means anybody who is not white, i guess. thats not floyd thats the state of ny
The website has a lot of information. Could you direct me via link to where exactly the phrase "children with disabilities of ethnicity" comes up? I've never heard of that phrase in my life.
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Those kids who go to that school are nothing but future criminals.
Christine wrote:
I dont understand with all the taxes us homeowners pay to the William Floyd School District, and all the security guards working at the school....How is it possible that 2 men "ran" past security and beat this boy???? There is something definetely wrong here and the school should be investigated for all the "things" that go on in these schools (that nobody hears about). Everyday I drive by that high school and there are many students off school grounds with the security guards 20 feet away from them. Why have security if they dont do their job?!?!?!? Im sure we will be hearing alot more about this in the near future.
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Joe wrote:
Those kids who go to that school are nothing but future criminals.
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you are a jerk. there are a lot more good kids and families than bad, but the bad is getting away with murder and ruining it for the good ones.

i have had two children graduate from there. they are both in college. one is studying to be a doctor. i have one child in the school now. i am concerned that administration cares more about public image.

problems happen when good kids are suspended for wearing a hat, but bad ones can call teachers names and disrupt class; all in the name of equality.
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The website has a lot of information. Could you direct me via link to where exactly the phrase "children with disabilities of ethnicity" comes up? I've never heard of that phrase in my life.
you have to go to the link that says "indicator 4 review" on the main page.
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Mar 3, 2010
 
This is crazy. I attend willaim floyd high school and most of the time when i walk around the securitys are usually on the phone, reading the paper, or socializing instead of doing their job. Now if 2 men with only their fists came into the school and beat up this boy, whats to say security will be there when someone trys to either bomb or shot up the school again.. They need to do their job because people are crazy these days and i dont feel safe in this school. F the board of education yall need to stop being lazy and do your damn job. YALL GET PAID FOR IT AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT OR FEEL LIKE YOUR TAKINF RISKS "BEACH MAN" QUIT, GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND GET A REAL JOB!!!!SMH
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you are a jerk. there are a lot more good kids and families than bad, but the bad is getting away with murder and ruining it for the good ones.
i have had two children graduate from there. they are both in college. one is studying to be a doctor. i have one child in the school now. i am concerned that administration cares more about public image.
problems happen when good kids are suspended for wearing a hat, but bad ones can call teachers names and disrupt class; all in the name of equality.
TRUE. IT IS NOT FAIR. WE GET SUSPENDED FOR REFUSING TO PUT AWAY OUR IPODS OR CELL PHONES, BUT THE CHILDREN THAT CURSE TEACHERS OUT, THREATING THEM, CUT CLASS, FIGHT, AND JUST BASICALLY ACT UP IN CLASS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ALOUD BACK IN SCHOOL. THATS BS. I TAKE MY EDUCATION SERIOUSLY AND I THINK THESE ANIMALS SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF OUR SCHOOL.ALL WILLIAM FLOYD IS TRYING TO DO IS HIDE OUR PUBLIC IMAGE, BUT ITS A LITTLE TO LATE. ITS OUT THERE. NOW FIX IT!!!!But i wouldnt know im just a student
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Mar 4, 2010
 
concerned wf parent wrote:
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you have to go to the link that says "indicator 4 review" on the main page.
Yeah, you're reading that wrong.

http://www.wfsd.k12.ny.us/news/10/01/indicato...
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Mar 4, 2010
 
Joe wrote:
Those kids who go to that school are nothing but future criminals.
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that is a bold statment to say because you only hear the bad things about the school you dont hear about the good things like how strong our music program is strong and highly esteemed or that our mock trial team is really good. other schools tend to fear us when we go to competitions or compete in other activities.
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the family should call it racist, bet you if is was the other way around al would be there in a heart beat just kill the muds who did that and two less loosers and thier mother will lose welfare money and get a j o b. carma will get them when their out watch lifes is funny
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Mar 4, 2010
 
my son use to go to that school i pulled him out. the security systems sucks it seems and when i found about all the security guards and id with the black strip i though this was a prision more then a school but when i saw all the asshole losers then the puzzel was whole hey a new idea the school should have a gated security building and kids walk up to these gates but have security and a ppolice officer there.

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Try to give some information and you always get someone trying to incite an argument.
Since I don't work in WF I wouldn't know how many guards were at the door or what had happened. I can tell you from experience that what ever your child tells you happened is usually half the truth and half what someone else told them. Unless of course they were a witness. As for taking risks. When you own a house and pay for insurance and have a family you can talk. One law suit can take it all away. You have to learn when to take the risk on getting physical with a student or a civilian. If I get arrested for assault I get suspended pending a court date. Are you going to feed my family? And I loose my security license from NYS. Im not working at a club or a bar. I agree that if there were four guards there those guys should never gotten into the building.
I also have to say "sh$t happens". Glad it wasn't me.
And after 24 years on the job I don't take advice from some snot nosed student from WF. Go back to English class and learn to spell.
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the family should call it racist, bet you if is was the other way around al would be there in a heart beat just kill the muds who did that and two less loosers and thier mother will lose welfare money and get a j o b. carma will get them when their out watch lifes is funny
Do you know the family personally to know if the mother is on welfare, or did her color make you assume?
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Beach Man wrote:
Try to give some information and you always get someone trying to incite an argument.
Since I don't work in WF I wouldn't know how many guards were at the door or what had happened. I can tell you from experience that what ever your child tells you happened is usually half the truth and half what someone else told them. Unless of course they were a witness. As for taking risks. When you own a house and pay for insurance and have a family you can talk. One law suit can take it all away. You have to learn when to take the risk on getting physical with a student or a civilian. If I get arrested for assault I get suspended pending a court date. Are you going to feed my family? And I loose my security license from NYS. Im not working at a club or a bar. I agree that if there were four guards there those guys should never gotten into the building.
I also have to say "sh$t happens". Glad it wasn't me.
And after 24 years on the job I don't take advice from some snot nosed student from WF. Go back to English class and learn to spell.
i am not a student. i am an educated parent. the people involved in the fight were not students. they should have been stopped before reaching the student. obviously you have attitude problem.

i have a mortgage and all of the other things you mentioned. i would never let a student get repeatedly punched and kicked into near unconsiousness and stand by and do nothing.

this whole incident was about adults beating up on a teenager. why is that much different from the insults that you (an adult) are obviously making at a teenager???

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i am not a student. i am an educated parent. the people involved in the fight were not students. they should have been stopped before reaching the student. obviously you have attitude problem.
i have a mortgage and all of the other things you mentioned. i would never let a student get repeatedly punched and kicked into near unconsiousness and stand by and do nothing.
this whole incident was about adults beating up on a teenager. why is that much different from the insults that you (an adult) are obviously making at a teenager???
I agree. They never should have gained entry to the building. So far I haven't seen any news report that said security stood there while they beat that student. They were stopped and held until the police arrived according to the news. If I was there I would have stopped it also. That is a case where physical force is allowed. The fact that they were at the door arguing with security does not allow security to use physical force to remove them. I am wondering how the student who got beat knew they were there. Was it a coincidence he was in the same hallway or did he show up in order to instigate a fight. I have seen this happen many times.
Being a security guard at a HS is 98% mundane Bull followed by 2%insanity. We pray for all students to come to school and want to learn and go to class. To enjoy there day without being bullied. To not have there sneakers stolen or cell phone or book bag or IPOD. Or to have some trespasser enter the building to beat them up.
But some come to school to bully, get high, steal other students things, settle scores with other students about the weirdest things. They also use there cell phones to call friends and let them know which door to enter to find someone who there looking for.
I am also a educated parent of a former WF student.
And I do have an attitude problem.Working on it.

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