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Tupper Lake, NY

#1 Jan 11, 2012
Stop The Needless School Capital Projects to Cut NYS Deficit

My alma mater, St. Lawrence Central, recently passed a capital project vote. It will supposedly perform some much needed improvements to school buildings and will undoubtedly include some frivolous, costly expenditures - widening the swimming pool for example.
Canton Central is poised to hold a similar capital project vote in the not to distant future. This one will include some "necessary" upgrades to the school's heating system. One has wonder why something as important as a heating system wasn't fixed sooner.
The Massena Central District, where I live, is finishing a capital project that seems like it started a decade ago and included a million dollar artificial turf athletic field and fancy scoreboard that flashes important messages around the clock and year 'round - like the vitally necessary "Seasons Greetings" art work we see up there currently.
But how many millions of dollars could NYS save if these capital projects were trimmed down dramatically or ended altogether?
Many, many millions, that's how many.
I worked for the NYS Senate for over 12 years for two different Senators: first Ray Meier, the Joe Griffo.
One time during the perennial budget battle I said something like, "Senator, I could trim a lot for money from the state's budget in a hurry."
"How?" the Senator asked.(I'm not going to say which one, by the way.)
I said, "Stop all non-emergency capital projects. If you roof is failing or part of your school was blown down by a tornado, then you can do a capital project. But if you want a new artificial turf field or wider swimming pool, it's not eligible for 90-percent-plus state aid. Would that save any money in the state budget?"
The Senator assured me it would make a huge impact.
Unfortunately, he never had the guts to put my idea forward though.
So, we continue with these follies. The architects design bigger and bigger projects to line their pockets, and district voters approve them because "it's free money. The state is paying almost the entire thing," we hear.
And "If we don't take this money and do the capital project, it will just go to someone else."
Well, that pretty much sums up the problem, doesn't it?
This money isn't free! We're paying for it! If it were eliminated, no one would get to waste it on middle schools, or bigger gyms, or fancy baseball fields.
Whenever I hear that stupid argument that someone else will waste it in their district if we don't waste it in ours, I hearken back to my childhood: "Why can't I?," I used to whine. "Everybody body else is doing it!"
To which my parents would predictably reply, "Well, if everybody else was jumping off a bridge would you do it too?"
Unfortunately, when it comes to capital projects, a whole lot of people are jumping off the bridge too and we're all paying for it.
Too bad my Senator never had the guts to put the idea forward, but it probably would have been voted down anyway. After all, somebody's going to spend it....
Resident

White Plains, NY

#2 Jan 11, 2012
Try to re-submit your ideas. Maybe they'll fly now in light of recent dissention in the school districts...
crazy

Ithaca, NY

#3 Jan 11, 2012
Kind of like your job with the Senator? It was a waste of money! When you were with him if he stopped quick your head was up his arse!

Since: Dec 09

Oneida, NY

#4 Jan 11, 2012
crazy wrote:
Kind of like your job with the Senator? It was a waste of money! When you were with him if he stopped quick your head was up his arse!
I was talking to my good friend Mayor Hidy this afternoon and he, as well as the rest of us are bored with your insignificant psychobabble. Go to bed Jack. You had your chance to make a difference and fell short.
Just Me

Massena, NY

#5 Jan 11, 2012
Droopy Draws wrote:
<quoted text>
I was talking to my good friend Mayor Hidy this afternoon and he, as well as the rest of us are bored with your insignificant psychobabble. Go to bed Jack. You had your chance to make a difference and fell short.
Are you trying to tell me his job was not "Pork"?
Gutsy finally

Tupper Lake, NY

#6 Jan 11, 2012
Finally someone has enough guts to put in writing how they feel about the complete waste of money our school systems spend on worthless projects.
Massena spent millions on a parking lot and lanes that put them back in the dark ages. Its more dangerous now than it ever was.

Here's a good capital project: Put the parking lot, lanes and the new pick up/drop off road back to the way it was! I will contribute.
Poop

Skaneateles, NY

#7 Jan 11, 2012
All in wrote:
Stop The Needless School Capital Projects to Cut NYS Deficit
My alma mater, St. Lawrence Central, recently passed a capital project vote. It will supposedly perform some much needed improvements to school buildings and will undoubtedly include some frivolous, costly expenditures - widening the swimming pool for example.
Canton Central is poised to hold a similar capital project vote in the not to distant future. This one will include some "necessary" upgrades to the school's heating system. One has wonder why something as important as a heating system wasn't fixed sooner.
The Massena Central District, where I live, is finishing a capital project that seems like it started a decade ago and included a million dollar artificial turf athletic field and fancy scoreboard that flashes important messages around the clock and year 'round - like the vitally necessary "Seasons Greetings" art work we see up there currently.
But how many millions of dollars could NYS save if these capital projects were trimmed down dramatically or ended altogether?
Many, many millions, that's how many.
I worked for the NYS Senate for over 12 years for two different Senators: first Ray Meier, the Joe Griffo.
One time during the perennial budget battle I said something like, "Senator, I could trim a lot for money from the state's budget in a hurry."
"How?" the Senator asked.(I'm not going to say which one, by the way.)
I said, "Stop all non-emergency capital projects. If you roof is failing or part of your school was blown down by a tornado, then you can do a capital project. But if you want a new artificial turf field or wider swimming pool, it's not eligible for 90-percent-plus state aid. Would that save any money in the state budget?"
The Senator assured me it would make a huge impact.
Unfortunately, he never had the guts to put my idea forward though.
So, we continue with these follies. The architects design bigger and bigger projects to line their pockets, and district voters approve them because "it's free money. The state is paying almost the entire thing," we hear.
And "If we don't take this money and do the capital project, it will just go to someone else."
Well, that pretty much sums up the problem, doesn't it?
This money isn't free! We're paying for it! If it were eliminated, no one would get to waste it on middle schools, or bigger gyms, or fancy baseball fields.
Whenever I hear that stupid argument that someone else will waste it in their district if we don't waste it in ours, I hearken back to my childhood: "Why can't I?," I used to whine. "Everybody body else is doing it!"
To which my parents would predictably reply, "Well, if everybody else was jumping off a bridge would you do it too?"
Unfortunately, when it comes to capital projects, a whole lot of people are jumping off the bridge too and we're all paying for it.
Too bad my Senator never had the guts to put the idea forward, but it probably would have been voted down anyway. After all, somebody's going to spend it....
spook like a true conservative...its called progression which includes a variety of things u overlook...like JOBS!! and stimulating demand(local economy)as a couple examples...you are leaving out the entire other side of the dynamics...micro and macro...as a business man you would fail miserably because of your lack of vision...you would still be living in a cave...i could go on all day but something tells you just dont get it...

Since: Dec 09

Oneida, NY

#8 Jan 11, 2012
Jobs . Yep, union jobs for out of town workers who do not spend the bulk of their money here, they send it home. Jump off the bandwagon poop your about to crash and wake up from your dream.
I Agree

Lake Placid, NY

#10 Jan 12, 2012
The capital projects in all the schools has been a scam and the ones in Albany who help get the contractors and approve them laugh because they know it! It is true believe me!!! Seen it!!!
All in wrote:
Stop The Needless School Capital Projects to Cut NYS Deficit
My alma mater, St. Lawrence Central, recently passed a capital project vote. It will supposedly perform some much needed improvements to school buildings and will undoubtedly include some frivolous, costly expenditures - widening the swimming pool for example.
Canton Central is poised to hold a similar capital project vote in the not to distant future. This one will include some "necessary" upgrades to the school's heating system. One has wonder why something as important as a heating system wasn't fixed sooner.
The Massena Central District, where I live, is finishing a capital project that seems like it started a decade ago and included a million dollar artificial turf athletic field and fancy scoreboard that flashes important messages around the clock and year 'round - like the vitally necessary "Seasons Greetings" art work we see up there currently.
But how many millions of dollars could NYS save if these capital projects were trimmed down dramatically or ended altogether?
Many, many millions, that's how many.
I worked for the NYS Senate for over 12 years for two different Senators: first Ray Meier, the Joe Griffo.
One time during the perennial budget battle I said something like, "Senator, I could trim a lot for money from the state's budget in a hurry."
"How?" the Senator asked.(I'm not going to say which one, by the way.)
I said, "Stop all non-emergency capital projects. If you roof is failing or part of your school was blown down by a tornado, then you can do a capital project. But if you want a new artificial turf field or wider swimming pool, it's not eligible for 90-percent-plus state aid. Would that save any money in the state budget?"
The Senator assured me it would make a huge impact.
Unfortunately, he never had the guts to put my idea forward though.
So, we continue with these follies. The architects design bigger and bigger projects to line their pockets, and district voters approve them because "it's free money. The state is paying almost the entire thing," we hear.
And "If we don't take this money and do the capital project, it will just go to someone else."
Well, that pretty much sums up the problem, doesn't it?
This money isn't free! We're paying for it! If it were eliminated, no one would get to waste it on middle schools, or bigger gyms, or fancy baseball fields.
Whenever I hear that stupid argument that someone else will waste it in their district if we don't waste it in ours, I hearken back to my childhood: "Why can't I?," I used to whine. "Everybody body else is doing it!"
To which my parents would predictably reply, "Well, if everybody else was jumping off a bridge would you do it too?"
Unfortunately, when it comes to capital projects, a whole lot of people are jumping off the bridge too and we're all paying for it.
Too bad my Senator never had the guts to put the idea forward, but it probably would have been voted down anyway. After all, somebody's going to spend it....
sceneit

Ithaca, NY

#11 Jan 13, 2012
The Teachers union thugs are holding the taxpayer hostage. Teachers want to be viewed as missionaries and paid like CEO's
Crazy

Massena, NY

#12 Jan 13, 2012
sceneit wrote:
The Teachers union thugs are holding the taxpayer hostage. Teachers want to be viewed as missionaries and paid like CEO's
At least make some sense when you talk....let me know one CEO that makes 38,000
droopy sucks

Jersey City, NJ

#13 Jan 13, 2012
Droopy Draws wrote:
<quoted text>
I was talking to my good friend Mayor Hidy this afternoon and he, as well as the rest of us are bored with your insignificant psychobabble. Go to bed Jack. You had your chance to make a difference and fell short.
And we are bored with your stuck up, know it all attitude! Your not even from Massena or this area so stop acting like this is "your town". Just wondering, do you say the same bullshit on the topix forum in your real hometown there in New England? Do you act like your the sheit there too some 25 years after you moved away?
Conservative Views

Massena, NY

#14 Jan 13, 2012
All in wrote:
Stop The Needless School Capital Projects to Cut NYS Deficit
My alma mater, St. Lawrence Central, recently passed a capital project vote. It will supposedly perform some much needed improvements to school buildings and will undoubtedly include some frivolous, costly expenditures - widening the swimming pool for example.
Canton Central is poised to hold a similar capital project vote in the not to distant future. This one will include some "necessary" upgrades to the school's heating system. One has wonder why something as important as a heating system wasn't fixed sooner.
The Massena Central District, where I live, is finishing a capital project that seems like it started a decade ago and included a million dollar artificial turf athletic field and fancy scoreboard that flashes important messages around the clock and year 'round - like the vitally necessary "Seasons Greetings" art work we see up there currently.
But how many millions of dollars could NYS save if these capital projects were trimmed down dramatically or ended altogether?
Many, many millions, that's how many.
I worked for the NYS Senate for over 12 years for two different Senators: first Ray Meier, the Joe Griffo.
One time during the perennial budget battle I said something like, "Senator, I could trim a lot for money from the state's budget in a hurry."
"How?" the Senator asked.(I'm not going to say which one, by the way.)
I said, "Stop all non-emergency capital projects. If you roof is failing or part of your school was blown down by a tornado, then you can do a capital project. But if you want a new artificial turf field or wider swimming pool, it's not eligible for 90-percent-plus state aid. Would that save any money in the state budget?"
The Senator assured me it would make a huge impact.
Unfortunately, he never had the guts to put my idea forward though.
So, we continue with these follies. The architects design bigger and bigger projects to line their pockets, and district voters approve them because "it's free money. The state is paying almost the entire thing," we hear.
And "If we don't take this money and do the capital project, it will just go to someone else."
Well, that pretty much sums up the problem, doesn't it?
This money isn't free! We're paying for it! If it were eliminated, no one would get to waste it on middle schools, or bigger gyms, or fancy baseball fields.
Whenever I hear that stupid argument that someone else will waste it in their district if we don't waste it in ours, I hearken back to my childhood: "Why can't I?," I used to whine. "Everybody body else is doing it!"
To which my parents would predictably reply, "Well, if everybody else was jumping off a bridge would you do it too?"
Unfortunately, when it comes to capital projects, a whole lot of people are jumping off the bridge too and we're all paying for it.
Too bad my Senator never had the guts to put the idea forward, but it probably would have been voted down anyway. After all, somebody's going to spend it....
Lets make sure no one comes to Massena for anything....maybe the drinkers will come to your bar....that is a real attraction I guess. If you drive by the field several schools other than Massena have been on the field and section x has held games their also I am sure they dont use it for free.....but hey lets make sure no one comes to Massena for anything....I am sure you and your conservative cronies will be happy then. I am sure the local businesses McDonalds and others are more than happy outsiders come to town. I guess if we are just left with some bars and nothing else you will be happy because after all people always have money to drink, dont you think? If not I am sure you would have never been involved in the business venture of a bar. Nice investment in the welfare of your community.
Make you go hmmmm

Massena, NY

#15 Jul 30, 2012
All in wrote:
Stop The Needless School Capital Projects to Cut NYS Deficit
My alma mater, St. Lawrence Central, recently passed a capital project vote. It will supposedly perform some much needed improvements to school buildings and will undoubtedly include some frivolous, costly expenditures - widening the swimming pool for example.
Canton Central is poised to hold a similar capital project vote in the not to distant future. This one will include some "necessary" upgrades to the school's heating system. One has wonder why something as important as a heating system wasn't fixed sooner.
The Massena Central District, where I live, is finishing a capital project that seems like it started a decade ago and included a million dollar artificial turf athletic field and fancy scoreboard that flashes important messages around the clock and year 'round - like the vitally necessary "Seasons Greetings" art work we see up there currently.
But how many millions of dollars could NYS save if these capital projects were trimmed down dramatically or ended altogether?
Many, many millions, that's how many.
I worked for the NYS Senate for over 12 years for two different Senators: first Ray Meier, the Joe Griffo.
One time during the perennial budget battle I said something like, "Senator, I could trim a lot for money from the state's budget in a hurry."
"How?" the Senator asked.(I'm not going to say which one, by the way.)
I said, "Stop all non-emergency capital projects. If you roof is failing or part of your school was blown down by a tornado, then you can do a capital project. But if you want a new artificial turf field or wider swimming pool, it's not eligible for 90-percent-plus state aid. Would that save any money in the state budget?"
The Senator assured me it would make a huge impact.
Unfortunately, he never had the guts to put my idea forward though.
So, we continue with these follies. The architects design bigger and bigger projects to line their pockets, and district voters approve them because "it's free money. The state is paying almost the entire thing," we hear.
And "If we don't take this money and do the capital project, it will just go to someone else."
Well, that pretty much sums up the problem, doesn't it?
This money isn't free! We're paying for it! If it were eliminated, no one would get to waste it on middle schools, or bigger gyms, or fancy baseball fields.
Whenever I hear that stupid argument that someone else will waste it in their district if we don't waste it in ours, I hearken back to my childhood: "Why can't I?," I used to whine. "Everybody body else is doing it!"
To which my parents would predictably reply, "Well, if everybody else was jumping off a bridge would you do it too?"
Unfortunately, when it comes to capital projects, a whole lot of people are jumping off the bridge too and we're all paying for it.
Too bad my Senator never had the guts to put the idea forward, but it probably would have been voted down anyway. After all, somebody's going to spend it....
Hey Joe kind of like you taking the money for the airport road..........if there is something that is totally unnecessary that is. Maybe you could give the money back like you want the schools to do.....oh ya like you said someone else will just get it....guess it is only a bad idea when someone else gets the same type of money.....just a thought.
citizen of this mess

Ithaca, NY

#16 Aug 3, 2012
Joe Dray is nothing but a wort on the ass of society. he wasn't much good when he worked for the Senator and is even more worthless now.
citizen of this mess

Ithaca, NY

#17 Aug 3, 2012
sorry for the miss spelling in my previous post. Dray or Gray all the same thing.
Make you go hmmmm

Massena, NY

#18 Aug 3, 2012
Joe does a good job not sure what you expect from him. One thing for sure you dont have to guess what he is thinking he will let you know. Not a bad quality.
Joe Blow

Massena, NY

#19 Aug 3, 2012
Make you go hmmmm wrote:
Joe does a good job not sure what you expect from him. One thing for sure you dont have to guess what he is thinking he will let you know. Not a bad quality.
He is just like the rest of the "good old boys" in Massena....he talks in circles!
makes you go hmmmmmmm

Saranac Lake, NY

#20 Aug 3, 2012
You just dont like what you hear.....do you have any good ideas that are do-able....i would like to hear them and if they are good have you run for office so you can see if you can make a difference!!!!!
Joe Blow

Massena, NY

#21 Aug 3, 2012
makes you go hmmmmmmm wrote:
You just dont like what you hear.....do you have any good ideas that are do-able....i would like to hear them and if they are good have you run for office so you can see if you can make a difference!!!!!
Would love to....but if you're not a "good old boy" they will make sure you don't get elected...need to be in their club

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