Greedy MCS Teachers
Husky1

Manlius, NY

#122 Feb 21, 2011
Teachers wrote:
Interesting thread! How many of you posting on Topix really pay taxes? Not federal taxes but property taxes?
Just a little FYI fact. I assume by this you feel as though someone who may pay rent somehow does not pay property/school taxes. Directly, no they don't. But, don't think for one minute that the property owner that they rent from doesn't pay those taxes. As a property and rental owner i can attest that we do in fact pay an absorbanent amount of property taxes. All of which is figured into our rental fees. Sorry but was really a dumb statement!
Ignorance is Bliss

Princeton, NC

#123 Feb 21, 2011
UGH...First of all "Husky" while I did notice that the post came from someone titled "TEACHERS" how do you really know a teacher actually wrote that? I personally doubt it came from a teacher because I know I would be pretty darn stupid to post anything about my superintendent regardless of if it was anonymous or not. And if it was from a teacher, I am again dis-heartened by the fact that one persons comments can clump a whole group of people into one column.
Husky1 wrote:
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There it is right there in black and white. See that word "entitled"? That is a HUGE, HUGE reason that so many people dispise teachers and for that matter, union members. It's this sense of entitlement. Unions may have been a good thing for your grandparents back in the day. BUT, the "back in the day" time is over. It no longer works in today's world economy. Seriously, take a step back and look at the majority of products built in China.
Case in point. Yesterday I went to a local hardware store to buy a 10" table saw blade. There were 8 different blades to choose from. Out of curiosity's sake I checked all of them to see if I could find one made in the USA. How many were made in China? Every damned one of them!!!!. This is what unions have done to the American economy. All of those blades are made in China because it's cheaper to have them made in China and have them shipped back here rather than having them built in an American factory with a unionized work force.
Bottom line is that the unions have priced themselves out of being competitive. Nobody's fault but there own. It's called GREED!!!!! Unions have a long history of bringing companies to there knees. Just look at out local industries. Reynolds....GONE!!! GM....GONE!!!!
Myself, I don't blame teachers for wanting to make decent money. We all would like to. BUT, they haven't up until this point paid their fair share in terms of retirement and health care. It's time to ante up, just as the private sector has done all along. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD, 2011!!!! And for god's sake, DROP THIS SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!
get real

Lake Placid, NY

#124 Feb 21, 2011
This thread will probably have alot of teachers posting on it. WHY? They are not working this week. LMAO!!!!
Wisconsin will be hiring

Lake Placid, NY

#125 Feb 21, 2011
"get real"]This thread will probably have alot of teachers posting on it. WHY? They are not working this week. LMAO!!!!

If these greedy teachers wont take a cut fire em all.......they can work in wisconsin....im sure it will be easy to get replacements
Plinko

Massena, NY

#126 Feb 22, 2011
Curious in Massena wrote:
I have no problems with Teachers pay. I do have a problem that they don't pay towards health care. Everyone else does. We need to make some tough cuts. I say get rid of some teachers, but add some classroom assistants to help with the bigger classes. Maybe more student teachers. My kids goto MCS, and no that's not what I really want, but tough decisions mean drastic measures. My job now requires me to do more work for the same pay. Oh well, i have a job with benefits, so I am not complaining. As far as people taking freezes and pay cuts, no. That's socialism. When does that end. Budgets don't go down, so next year you would ask for more cuts. Maybe the state would realize they made a mistake on funding when all these teachers go on unemplyment for the next two years.
Negotiate this in the new contract.
FYI

Ithaca, NY

#127 Feb 22, 2011
Just so everyone knows, your school taxes have gone down an average of 1% over the last three years. I hope those teachers don't burden you too much with that. The 10 million dollar general fund was built off of many teacher concessions in the past. They moved from Plan A to Plan B with what is called Riders 5 and 6 during the last contract. This alone has saved the district thousands of dollars to put into that general fund. The district has also taken breakage (the difference of money from when a teacher retires and is not replaced or replaced with someone for half that price)and built up the general fund. The size of the general fund is a percentage set by the state and we are well over that set amount. Yes there are some teachers a MCS that make over 100,000 dollars a year with benefits but they are near the end of thier career not the beginning. The beginning teacher with benefits makes less than half of that. From the NYS School Boards Association 2010 Contract Survey Teachers at MCS have a lower starting salary with a BA, a lower starting salary with a MA, a lower 10 year salary, and a lower late career salary, all on average than the rest of the state. On the other hand they do not contribute to their insurance premiums like most other teachers statewide. This means if you want them to pay more for thier insurance you will have to compensate them in thier salaries, or they can continue to make lower wages and not contribute to thier insurance. You can't have it both ways. Everything stated above is a fact, if you want the information for yourself you may FOIL it at the district office.
too funny

Syracuse, NY

#128 Feb 22, 2011
could be like julie brousseau/lafave/fregoe---get a job and have parties for young underage kids and flirt with her daughters Male friends..and still keep a job when she is truly inept!
doucheee

Ithaca, NY

#129 Feb 22, 2011
Problem with this issue is that their is a bunch of teachers who are willing to take a pay freeze because they are scared of being transferred without cause. They are scared of being brought up on bogus charges without cause. It's sad..truely sad these people live in fear. In fear of this monster who lives off the fear of others. Karma. Karma. Also karma to those supporters bad things happening to good people. Time to speak up!! Remeber, the Roman empire was taken down by a bunch of barbarians, disgruntal group of fed up people rising up against the "machine." Sleep well!!
way to go scott walker

Lake Placid, NY

#130 Feb 22, 2011
teachers are overpaid, underworked and we the taxpayers cannot offord it any longer.if they dont like it then move period!!!
Plant worker

Lake Placid, NY

#131 Feb 22, 2011
doucheee wrote:
Problem with this issue is that their is a bunch of teachers who are willing to take a pay freeze because they are scared of being transferred without cause. They are scared of being brought up on bogus charges without cause. It's sad..truely sad these people live in fear. In fear of this monster who lives off the fear of others. Karma. Karma. Also karma to those supporters bad things happening to good people. Time to speak up!! Remeber, the Roman empire was taken down by a bunch of barbarians, disgruntal group of fed up people rising up against the "machine." Sleep well!!
Transfered where? To another room or building...who cares as long as they have a job! Charges of what? If you are doing your job...you do not have to worry...... Your statement is bogus! There you go trying to intimidate good teachers not the greedy ones who will not take a pay freeze. You are putting fair in people by your bogus statement...really is this your argument....to note foil the teachers contract...they can be moved to any building...work at ALCOA and see if you have a choice where you work....stop the nonsense and lies! I agree the majority of teachers who did not know what was going because thier represenatives from the union did not tell themshould speak up and bring down thier represntives!
Ex Board

Lake Placid, NY

#132 Feb 22, 2011
FYI wrote:
Just so everyone knows, your school taxes have gone down an average of 1% over the last three years. I hope those teachers don't burden you too much with that. The 10 million dollar general fund was built off of many teacher concessions in the past. They moved from Plan A to Plan B with what is called Riders 5 and 6 during the last contract. This alone has saved the district thousands of dollars to put into that general fund. The district has also taken breakage (the difference of money from when a teacher retires and is not replaced or replaced with someone for half that price)and built up the general fund. The size of the general fund is a percentage set by the state and we are well over that set amount. Yes there are some teachers a MCS that make over 100,000 dollars a year with benefits but they are near the end of thier career not the beginning. The beginning teacher with benefits makes less than half of that. From the NYS School Boards Association 2010 Contract Survey Teachers at MCS have a lower starting salary with a BA, a lower starting salary with a MA, a lower 10 year salary, and a lower late career salary, all on average than the rest of the state. On the other hand they do not contribute to their insurance premiums like most other teachers statewide. This means if you want them to pay more for thier insurance you will have to compensate them in thier salaries, or they can continue to make lower wages and not contribute to thier insurance. You can't have it both ways. Everything stated above is a fact, if you want the information for yourself you may FOIL it at the district office.
The ten million dollar reserves had nothing to do with teachers concessions.....what are you talking about..they haven't conceded anything! The reserves was because of no taxes raised for several years or limited taxes! This was by the board of education not teachers Plan A to Plan B cosdt the school at first so they had to pay to get into it.probably more like 10,0000 dollars! Your retirement savings is not true...how much did the school pay in the retirement incentive...each teacher got 25,000 dolars plus thier sick days which is another 10,0000 dollars...teachers got a bonus of 35,0000 to retire...where did that money come from????the taxpayer! Your facts are wrong..here is an idea if you do not want to teach go somewhere else..where did you get the idea you should be paid more because you get free health insurance....I guess you think you are entitled to this! You got in this profession knowing what the pay is...you got hired at the school knowing the pay..not you are crying.I also know that you start at a lower rate in massena but your pay increases as your years do...well beyond what the other school district are paying... People neeed to look at the teachers contract and see all the perks they get ,, free health, dental plan, step increases, days off, extra pay etc. Wake up and see what is going on in ny and the country we are broke....Hope you enjoy your 3.3% pay increase and free health insurance... never mind the retired people , fixed income people, people who pay for thier health and dental, and people working two jobs and at minimum wage!
FYI

Ithaca, NY

#133 Feb 22, 2011
Ex Board wrote:
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The ten million dollar reserves had nothing to do with teachers concessions.....what are you talking about..they haven't conceded anything! The reserves was because of no taxes raised for several years or limited taxes! This was by the board of education not teachers Plan A to Plan B cosdt the school at first so they had to pay to get into it.probably more like 10,0000 dollars! Your retirement savings is not true...how much did the school pay in the retirement incentive...each teacher got 25,000 dolars plus thier sick days which is another 10,0000 dollars...teachers got a bonus of 35,0000 to retire...where did that money come from????the taxpayer! Your facts are wrong..here is an idea if you do not want to teach go somewhere else..where did you get the idea you should be paid more because you get free health insurance....I guess you think you are entitled to this! You got in this profession knowing what the pay is...you got hired at the school knowing the pay..not you are crying.I also know that you start at a lower rate in massena but your pay increases as your years do...well beyond what the other school district are paying... People neeed to look at the teachers contract and see all the perks they get ,, free health, dental plan, step increases, days off, extra pay etc. Wake up and see what is going on in ny and the country we are broke....Hope you enjoy your 3.3% pay increase and free health insurance... never mind the retired people , fixed income people, people who pay for thier health and dental, and people working two jobs and at minimum wage!
You are absolutely wrong, about pretty much everything you just said, to bad you are so ill informed. As for the retirement benefit, teachers get 125 dollars per day up to 25,000 dollars if they retire within the first two years of eligibility using NYS guidelines. There is no extra 10,000 bonus, get your facts straight. If they don't meet those guidelines they get 35 dollars for each day. Either way it is cheaper than paying them for another year of service. How can the reserves be from taxes not being raised or limited raises? That would mean the tax payer is not contributing, have you no common sense? Just so you know, teachers do not get free dental, they pay for it. One reason they accept lower pay is because of the health benefits, educate yourself. Remember some of those retired people, fixed income people you talk about were teachers, and still contribute to this community, maybe you should do the same instead of running down those people who try to better our future (I am talking about bettering the kids just incase you could not figure it out). If you do not believe the statements made in my first post do like I told you, go to the admin building and FOIL it.
doucheee

Ithaca, NY

#134 Feb 22, 2011
Ex Board wrote:
<quoted text>
The ten million dollar reserves had nothing to do with teachers concessions.....what are you talking about..they haven't conceded anything! The reserves was because of no taxes raised for several years or limited taxes! This was by the board of education not teachers Plan A to Plan B cosdt the school at first so they had to pay to get into it.probably more like 10,0000 dollars! Your retirement savings is not true...how much did the school pay in the retirement incentive...each teacher got 25,000 dolars plus thier sick days which is another 10,0000 dollars...teachers got a bonus of 35,0000 to retire...where did that money come from????the taxpayer! Your facts are wrong..here is an idea if you do not want to teach go somewhere else..where did you get the idea you should be paid more because you get free health insurance....I guess you think you are entitled to this! You got in this profession knowing what the pay is...you got hired at the school knowing the pay..not you are crying.I also know that you start at a lower rate in massena but your pay increases as your years do...well beyond what the other school district are paying... People neeed to look at the teachers contract and see all the perks they get ,, free health, dental plan, step increases, days off, extra pay etc. Wake up and see what is going on in ny and the country we are broke....Hope you enjoy your 3.3% pay increase and free health insurance... never mind the retired people , fixed income people, people who pay for thier health and dental, and people working two jobs and at minimum wage!
Hey retard learn to spell. No wonder why your students are so stupid. Do you understand tax dollars go towards other retirements besides teachers? How are you suppose to pay for the walmart clothes for your scummy kids if you don't receive the pay increase. Are you getting fed info? Even if your union takes one for the team, you still have no friends. How does that feel? Everyone talking about you behind your back. Too bad you were part of the downfall.
ann

Lake Placid, NY

#135 Feb 22, 2011
"way to go scott walker"]teachers are overpaid, underworked and we the taxpayers cannot offord it any longer.if they dont like it then move period!!!

well said
Matt-17

Manlius, NY

#136 Feb 22, 2011
Outsider wrote:
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Your facts are incorrect. That is because he was a principal prior to becoming a superintendent. I looked at all the superintendents in our county and saw that the Massena Superintendnt is the lowest paid compared to the others. Massena is the largest school district with the largest budget, bigger than BOCES and he makes a lot less than the BOCES superintendent. You need to look at what other superintendents make, some superintendents with 400 students making what he does.(My superintendent makes almost what he does and our student population is 800, compared to 3,000 in Massena) The Massena Superintendent and the Massena administratots are taking a pay freeze. You have to give all of them credit for helping. It was more than what the teachers have done there.They really need to look at consolidation of ditricts to help schools survive. The Massena teachers need to help and sounds like they would if thier union would let them know the facts that were offerd.
After looking at the facts you pointed out I noticed the Massena Superintendent received just under a $13,000 raise after one year of service and I also noticed you did not comment on the $35,000 benefit package. Do all employees in the Massena district get almost 13% raises with those benefits. If they do I now understand why there is a 6 million dollar deficit. If this is true they should all take pay freezes. As to comparing the Massena Super to the rest. I think you have hit the nail on the head to a problem. Why does St. Lawrence County need 18 Supers making this money with benefits. The state keeps mentioning consolidation as you pointed out. This would be a great place to start and it would not effect kids. Also why does every school district need a business manager and staff to handle payroll. If I am not mistaken there is currently one building in the county that handles all the school district insurance claims. I'm sure they could do payroll also.
nutcase

New York, NY

#137 Feb 23, 2011
The bottom line is this. The economy here is very poor, I do not need to be a teacher to realize this. The price of food and gas and fuel to heat our homes is continually going up. Not to mention the cost of unneeded items such as cable, internet, cell phone charges, etc. The people of the north country can not afford anymore cost increases, the teachers need to contribute to there health care the majority of people living up here do as well so why should you be any different? We all have to make some sort of sacrafice so suck it up, quit your whining, contribute to your health care like the rest of us and take a payfreeze for this year!!! If not take a layoff go to glen street and get in line with the rest of the unemployed down there. We can not afford an increase in school taxes!
We the people

United States

#138 Feb 23, 2011
When do we have a discussion about the sorry state of health for all and how the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have avoided the radar because we the people are so busy pointing at each other. And while we're at it, how about the banks that, after receiving their bail out, still manage to make a Buck off the backs of all of us. Our corporate America has been bloating, and the government allows it to happen while we busily squabble over issues that will quite honestly only be a band aid. What's happening all around the world with the unrest is What our country should be trying to avoid, because eventually we all will tire of the numbing materialism and blame game and bring down the real "greedy hogs"....
Not a teacher

White Plains, NY

#139 Feb 23, 2011
We the people wrote:
When do we have a discussion about the sorry state of health for all and how the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have avoided the radar because we the people are so busy pointing at each other. And while we're at it, how about the banks that, after receiving their bail out, still manage to make a Buck off the backs of all of us. Our corporate America has been bloating, and the government allows it to happen while we busily squabble over issues that will quite honestly only be a band aid. What's happening all around the world with the unrest is What our country should be trying to avoid, because eventually we all will tire of the numbing materialism and blame game and bring down the real "greedy hogs"....
You make an great point. The teachers and the unions are not the problem. Take a look at the morons elected each November. They are the ones that gave away the money for the school building projects. There are 18-19 schools in this BOCES area. Over the last 6 years every school had a capital project resulting in huge dollars. Now we are forced to cut teachers in the building we wanted to modernize so that we could keep up with the foeign countries ... remember

The teachers have a contract to teach your kid. They do it better than we can. There are dead wood teachers. However there are dead wood Aluminum plant employees, McDonalds and Walmart employees too. As a matter of fact there are deadwood politicians. I haven't seen anyone in here suggesting they take a pay cut of refuse pay for thie committee appointments.

The old saying is that Sh*t flows downhill. It just so happens that the local rural communities are left holding the bag for many silly unfunded mandates handed down by our Albany and Washington electorate.
Husky1

Manlius, NY

#140 Feb 23, 2011
Just thought I'd point out the unioned employees only represent 7% of the American workforce yet they are responsible for 100% of the civil unrest going on in the country right now. VERY telling!!!!! Point is, if they don't get exactly what they want they go ape chit!!!
Ignorance is Bliss

Princeton, NC

#141 Feb 23, 2011
I have not been onhere in a few days because I really needed to sit down and think about what I could say to make people understand a little better. Again, please hear me when I say I am not "all for a pay raise" right now, I am aiming this more towards the "bad feeling" so many seem to have regarding teachers and how they are paid. So here goes...Yes we are paid by taxes, yes your taxes may have to go up in order to pay us our steps. However, your money is also paying for your (and others)Dr.'s, nurses, dentist, dental hygienist,etc... For example, if you make enough money to have to pay Insurance, well then you pay, you also pay co-pays and everything your insurance doesn't pay. If you don't make enough money well then tax payers foot that bill. Meaning, what ever the Dr. wants to charge he does. If the cost of his services go up or he wants to make more money, he charges insurance more which in turn cost you the taxpayer more. Police Officers, Firefighters etc, etc...All of these people one way or another impact your taxes. So why is there one (well 2 actually) topics about these "horrible" teachers. Someone asked earlier what happened to education--well the answer is this, when a group of professionals are not treated as such and talked badly about to whomever is in ear distance it become a ripple effect. So basically, if you don't respect education and your child knows this, then they will not respect education either! You all know that if there is something you could care less about, you won't put forth your best effort, well that is what is wrong with the education system today! To many parents have a negative attitude and it is running off on our future. It really is a sad thing.

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