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Massena Tax Payer

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Jan 20, 2010
The age old debate is the State Police versus the Local Police. Should we cut the local police? Should we make the state police freeze their salaries? Should we down size local police departments? blah, blah, blah. Let me tell you a little something about the State Police and Local Police agencies. The State Police, like any large agency, has its share of "bad apples" but for the most part, we are very lucky to have efficient and dedicated men and women serving as State Troopers in St. Lawrence County. Now, yes they are paid extremely well, starting at $70,000 out of the academy and at $90,000+ after five years as a road trooper without rank, but where were all of you on Christmas, New Years, during the hunt for Bucky Phillips, the Indian stand off or during any natural disaster. You were probably at home or work and went along with your lives as normal. Not the State Police, they serve 24/7 no matter what the conditions and this not only affects them personally, but their families as well. The State Police serve at the governors will and can be deployed anywhere in the state in the matter of hours. They deserve our praise and our support. Now the local police are no different than the State Police except on a smaller scale. The local departments, including the sheriffs, are not paid as well, about $35,000 out of the academy and topping out at $55,000, but they are just as dedicated and well trained as the State Police. Yes, they also have "bad apples" which tend to stand out more where they act that way in the community they serve but the overwhelming majority are great men and women protecting our streets. Unfortunately, with a small tax base to pool from, the local departments can not pay as well as the state police. This doesn't make them any less efficient and if one seeks more money for doing the same job, then that person needs to re-evaluate the job they have. We need police at all levels. The local PD's provide services that the Sheriffs and State Police can not provide and visa verse. Lets support police at all levels, especially in these difficult times.
Ms realistic

New Ringgold, PA

#3 Jan 21, 2010
I agree with this wirting 100 percent. I used to live in the north country and hope to return in the next few years. I have had dealings with both the locals and the state police (nothing bad!!!) and i can say that everyone treated me with respect and went beyond what I expected them to do. They have a hard job, a job that I think many people take for granted.
Veteran

New York, NY

#4 Jan 21, 2010
Well I disagree with you. I have a friend who is a State Trooper and I believe that they work hard but we dont need local police in some area.. And as a reservist who deployed once in 2003 and in 2007. My life was on the line everyday and I dont make 70,000 plus. And my family dealt with me being deployed a year at time. But I love my country and would do it again in a heartbeat. But I ask you where you when I was in Iraq fighting. Were you making 90,000 plus. We pay are police force 53,000 year to run we have a small town we only need one car we dont need two and we have 1000 dollar bike that has never been seen. So you tell me why poeple get upset.
my name

Massena, NY

#5 Jan 22, 2010
Veteran wrote:
Well I disagree with you. I have a friend who is a State Trooper and I believe that they work hard but we dont need local police in some area.. And as a reservist who deployed once in 2003 and in 2007. My life was on the line everyday and I dont make 70,000 plus. And my family dealt with me being deployed a year at time. But I love my country and would do it again in a heartbeat. But I ask you where you when I was in Iraq fighting. Were you making 90,000 plus. We pay are police force 53,000 year to run we have a small town we only need one car we dont need two and we have 1000 dollar bike that has never been seen. So you tell me why poeple get upset.
This post has nothing to do with military people it is about the need of police on all levels. If there is a small issue with a expensive bike on the departments budget roll then that is an internal issue. I dont quite get where you are going with this. Potsdam PD is a great PD with well trained officers. Public safety in all arenas should always be the last place politicians should make there cuts.
gamer

Saranac Lake, NY

#6 Jan 22, 2010
Whether you like them or not...Police..much like our military..are a necessary evil we need, in this ever more violent society. Do I feel our military deserve better pay??? ABSOLUTELY!! I was a Marine for 4 years and know how hard it can be. Both entities are needed for the same reasons but at different levels. Our military does the same things as our police do. They are used to keep the peace with a show of force and power, and for support in times of disaster or need, putting their lives on the line, for us. The more we cut back our forces the more other countries will take advantage of us. The same theory applies to our police forces. The more they make cuts to them the more the thugs are going to feel they can get away with. Look at the crime in our local communities right now with the forces we currently have. Could you imagine if towns like Canton, Potsdam or Massena cut their forces down to "ONE" car? It would be chaos and the good citizens of our communities would be at the mercy of crimelords. If you people really want to change the world and make it a more fair place to live...stop agreeing to pay $100 or more to go see a sporting event or concert. Seriously people, are we at that stage in history that we hold celebrities at a higher priority? Personally I would rather pay a little more for protection then to watch someone "play" a game. What a joke our society is sometimes.$35,000 to fight crime and protect us or $3.5 million to keep the puck out of the net....

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#7 Jan 22, 2010
I think we pay so much for entertainment because it entertains us. It's something we pay to enjoy life. Police work isn't in our face and everyday lives so we tend to dismiss it. I personally feel that some cops make plenty while other don't make enough. Ya, their job sucks, dealing with scum and the worry of getting shot. I just feel that if you pay someone too much, they will take their job for granted and not do it to the best of their ability.

As far as military wages, my buddy gets overpaid while others hardly get paid. They both have faults.
gamer

Saranac Lake, NY

#8 Jan 22, 2010
Mr_Lovette wrote:
I think we pay so much for entertainment because it entertains us. It's something we pay to enjoy life. Police work isn't in our face and everyday lives so we tend to dismiss it. I personally feel that some cops make plenty while other don't make enough. Ya, their job sucks, dealing with scum and the worry of getting shot. I just feel that if you pay someone too much, they will take their job for granted and not do it to the best of their ability.
As far as military wages, my buddy gets overpaid while others hardly get paid. They both have faults.
I'm Glad you brought this up.."it's something we pay to enjoy life"..Think about this long and hard..If it weren't for our military fighting for our freedom, liberty and justice for all(Sound familiar?), what kind of entertainment would we have? OR be allowed to have? If the police weren't out there doing their jobs then what entertainment would you have? I'll tell you...nothing but tv and radio in the safety of your home... the rich and famous would be living the high life and would have their own body guards to ward off the dishonest people waiting for their next victim while the honest people like you and I, making just enough money to survive, worries that whenever we leave our home we will be mugged and/or killed by the dishonest lowlife within our little communities. People really have to get their priorities straight before this country totally falls apart. Gov Paterson...hmm..he's got it right...close prisons...NOT!! How many times do you pick up the local paper and read the same names in the police blotter? I see the same names in it just about every other day. Not just for "petty" crimes either, I'm talking felonies...oh... quickly reduced to Misdemeanors so it can be returned to local criminal court and not bother Nicole Duve in her court...Is there a problem with our police officers not doing their job or is it that the judicial system has nowhere to put these losers? Right answer...the court system and lack of jail space...not to mention the fact that lawyers run the whole system and get a couple hundred an hour for doing such a dangerous job. So let's solve our money problems by closing jails and getting rid of cops and troops. Great move guys..That way we could change the Pledge of Allegiance and end it with "fight for your own freedom, liberty and justice..it's everyone for themselves here".
Massena Man

Canton, NY

#9 Jan 24, 2010
Massena Tax Payer wrote:
The age old debate is the State Police versus the Local Police. Should we cut the local police? Should we make the state police freeze their salaries? Should we down size local police departments? blah, blah, blah. Let me tell you a little something about the State Police and Local Police agencies. The State Police, like any large agency, has its share of "bad apples" but for the most part, we are very lucky to have efficient and dedicated men and women serving as State Troopers in St. Lawrence County. Now, yes they are paid extremely well, starting at $70,000 out of the academy and at $90,000+ after five years as a road trooper without rank, but where were all of you on Christmas, New Years, during the hunt for Bucky Phillips, the Indian stand off or during any natural disaster. You were probably at home or work and went along with your lives as normal. Not the State Police, they serve 24/7 no matter what the conditions and this not only affects them personally, but their families as well. The State Police serve at the governors will and can be deployed anywhere in the state in the matter of hours. They deserve our praise and our support. Now the local police are no different than the State Police except on a smaller scale. The local departments, including the sheriffs, are not paid as well, about $35,000 out of the academy and topping out at $55,000, but they are just as dedicated and well trained as the State Police. Yes, they also have "bad apples" which tend to stand out more where they act that way in the community they serve but the overwhelming majority are great men and women protecting our streets. Unfortunately, with a small tax base to pool from, the local departments can not pay as well as the state police. This doesn't make them any less efficient and if one seeks more money for doing the same job, then that person needs to re-evaluate the job they have. We need police at all levels. The local PD's provide services that the Sheriffs and State Police can not provide and visa verse. Lets support police at all levels, especially in these difficult times.
It takes 3 months to be a Sheriff or Town cop - it takes 6 months to be a NYS Trooper.
the 5 O

Cortland, NY

#10 Jan 24, 2010
I a 20+ Year Career.. what diff. does a few months make? Not really sure of your point..
gamer

Saranac Lake, NY

#11 Jan 24, 2010
Massena Man wrote:
<quoted text>
It takes 3 months to be a Sheriff or Town cop - it takes 6 months to be a NYS Trooper.
Good point for the common person that doesn't know much about the law enforcement community. Yes the State academy is about 6 months but the Police academy is more like 18 weeks, which is more then the 3 months you just came up with. You have to ask yourself, if the state troopers have such a long academy then how is it the local police are asked to perform ALL aspects of a law enforcement Officer and the Troopers aren't? I have seen the local police officers, not investigators, take major crime investigations from the beginning to the end. I also know that State police officers..aka...road patrols, only take the initial information and then the Investigators take it over from there. By looking at the court records in the paper, the conviction rates look about the same(let's make a deal. I am not trying to belittle anyone here I am just trying to explain how I see things work. The local department officers are asked and expected to do more during their course of duty then a road trooper. I don't believe they have to meet the ticket quota's that the state troopers do but they deal with a lot more casework/investigations. Like I have said before...they are both needed for the jobs they do. I do disagree with the pay differences though. The local police should at least get the same amount a road trooper gets.
chill

Little Falls, NY

#12 Jan 24, 2010
way i see it all we need is the state troopers-massena police don,t like to do anything to much paper work for them.I allways call state troopers get better action.
patriot

New York, NY

#13 Jan 24, 2010
my name wrote:
<quoted text>
This post has nothing to do with military people it is about the need of police on all levels. If there is a small issue with a expensive bike on the departments budget roll then that is an internal issue. I dont quite get where you are going with this. Potsdam PD is a great PD with well trained officers. Public safety in all arenas should always be the last place politicians should make there cuts.
Did you read about 24/7 and being at home when there out there, thats what it has to do with and about money. Do we get paid the money they do.
patriot

New York, NY

#14 Jan 24, 2010
gamer wrote:
Whether you like them or not...Police..much like our military..are a necessary evil we need, in this ever more violent society. Do I feel our military deserve better pay??? ABSOLUTELY!! I was a Marine for 4 years and know how hard it can be. Both entities are needed for the same reasons but at different levels. Our military does the same things as our police do. They are used to keep the peace with a show of force and power, and for support in times of disaster or need, putting their lives on the line, for us. The more we cut back our forces the more other countries will take advantage of us. The same theory applies to our police forces. The more they make cuts to them the more the thugs are going to feel they can get away with. Look at the crime in our local communities right now with the forces we currently have. Could you imagine if towns like Canton, Potsdam or Massena cut their forces down to "ONE" car? It would be chaos and the good citizens of our communities would be at the mercy of crimelords. If you people really want to change the world and make it a more fair place to live...stop agreeing to pay $100 or more to go see a sporting event or concert. Seriously people, are we at that stage in history that we hold celebrities at a higher priority? Personally I would rather pay a little more for protection then to watch someone "play" a game. What a joke our society is sometimes.$35,000 to fight crime and protect us or $3.5 million to keep the puck out of the net....
Well said I agree 100 percent but you see that. Its the people that dont see it. But the only thing thats makes me upset is why buy 1000 dollar bike and sits there. Thats where I have a problem.
cry baby

New York, NY

#15 Jan 24, 2010
chill wrote:
way i see it all we need is the state troopers-massena police don,t like to do anything to much paper work for them.I allways call state troopers get better action.
It depends who you are and what you do. MPD knows all too well what goes on in town so if your into some sort of illegal activities they may not have much sympathy for you. Troopers aren't as familiar with people inside the village so you may think your getting better service until they leave your house and go to MPD and get the lowdown on you. They work together for the better good of all.
massena forum cleanup

Gouverneur, NY

#16 Jan 25, 2010
so wait...you are so utterly upset over a 1k$ bicycle that is not being used on the public streets in the middle of fucking winter?

and i dont even see an argument here, its just rambling on about different job requirements between the 2 depts, and some guy had to state something about monetary worth of being in the military.

potsdam gets by fine with just local pd. massena needs state police help because of our neighbors and the drug issue.

i just dont see anything real to converse about here, but figured i would share anyway!

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Since: Jan 10

Massena, NY

#17 Jan 25, 2010
watch the movie "super troopers"
dudly

Massena, NY

#18 Jan 25, 2010
Massena Man wrote:
<quoted text>
It takes 3 months to be a Sheriff or Town cop - it takes 6 months to be a NYS Trooper.
Get your facts strait. It takes 5 months to be a local or countyu sheriff not 3.
Curious in Massena

New York, NY

#19 Jan 27, 2010
Takes 9 months to be a Trooper according to their website. 6 months at their academy, and 3 months of filed training. Either way, they are both good at what they do. A few bad apples on both sides, but they are clearly both good at what they do. Check out the arrests in the paper. Most people who bitch about police are the ones that have frequent contact with them I think
gamer

Saranac Lake, NY

#20 Jan 28, 2010
Curious in Massena wrote:
Takes 9 months to be a Trooper according to their website. 6 months at their academy, and 3 months of filed training. Either way, they are both good at what they do. A few bad apples on both sides, but they are clearly both good at what they do. Check out the arrests in the paper. Most people who bitch about police are the ones that have frequent contact with them I think
Every law enforcement agency has a field training program. They would be crazy if they didn't. The New York State Bureau of Municiple police states that after completion of the academy there is a mandatory 16 week field training program. All local PD's have at least that amount of field training time and most have longer. In the end it adds up to be about the same amount of training time for all. Like I said before the difference is the local police patrols are expected to perform a wider range of law enforcement duties where the troopers are more apt to specialize in certain duties. Officers do everything from helping the kids across the street for school to writing a speeding ticket to collecting evidence from a crime scene , and arresting murderers. Those could all happen in a days work for them. That's where I don't think things are fair. In my opinion the taxpayers get a real bargain for their dollar with the local police. They deserve better pay and recognition. Instead they make lower money, get bashed in the papers by people they arrest and worry that their jobs won't be there if it means a 1% raise in taxes. Hey, I pay taxes and I would rather have them there. I have gotten tickets, but you know what...I was taking the chance and got caught. Oh well. I knew the consequences. The officers that stopped me (state and local) were doing what I pay them to do.
Justice

Albany, NY

#21 Feb 12, 2010
I have a friend in the local academy. He has been in for 4 weeks and is already doing his ride alongs. He is also going to be working alone prior to completion of the academy. ( His words from his chief) He only has top complete 60 hours of field training. I have never known any local PD that has 16 weeks of field training. But the training doesn't matter all of the officers deserve respect.

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