Massena Code Enforcement shuts down Hillside Motel

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Dec 30, 2009
 
More genius moves by your Village servants.

Dale Beaulieu of Massena Code Enforcement shut down the Hillside Motel for code violations and said the owner of the motel may be sited for code violations.

What is terribly wrong with this ?

Should not the code enforcement people be partly responsible for this tradegy?

The Fire Inspector/Housing Inspector/Code Enforcement officers Dale Beaulieu, Greg Fregoe are supposed to make sure all hotels/motels are safe for occupancy? Does the fire inspector do annual inspections of all hospitality venues? hard wired smoke alarms have been code for a while now.

If there would have been hard wired smoke alarms it would not have mattered if the battery was out because it still would have WORKED, battery or not.

NYS Code for motel smoke alarms say's they need to be hard wired and interconnected.

Why didn't the fire inspector make the Hillside conform to fire codes in past inspections and then follow up to make sure it was completed?

Dale Beaulieu should be responsible for making sure all hotels/motels are up to fire codes.

This needless death could have been prevented if the smoke alarm system were hard wired and interconnected. The fire/code inspector shouldn't be passing the buck to the motel owner. Our code enforcement office should take some of the blame for not policing what they are supposed to be enforcing. This is why they are hired to begin with to make sure building/fire codes are followed.
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Jan 1, 2010
 
Was that motel required to have electronic smoke alarms?

Should the motel been responsible for testing the smoke alarms on a daily basis since they had many people's lives at stake?

Exactly what kind of clienetele did the motel cater too? I have heard some pretty shady types.(child molesters, and druggies)
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More genius moves by your Village servants.
Dale Beaulieu of Massena Code Enforcement shut down the Hillside Motel for code violations and said the owner of the motel may be sited for code violations.
What is terribly wrong with this ?
Should not the code enforcement people be partly responsible for this tradegy?
The Fire Inspector/Housing Inspector/Code Enforcement officers Dale Beaulieu, Greg Fregoe are supposed to make sure all hotels/motels are safe for occupancy? Does the fire inspector do annual inspections of all hospitality venues? hard wired smoke alarms have been code for a while now.
If there would have been hard wired smoke alarms it would not have mattered if the battery was out because it still would have WORKED, battery or not.
NYS Code for motel smoke alarms say's they need to be hard wired and interconnected.
Why didn't the fire inspector make the Hillside conform to fire codes in past inspections and then follow up to make sure it was completed?
Dale Beaulieu should be responsible for making sure all hotels/motels are up to fire codes.
This needless death could have been prevented if the smoke alarm system were hard wired and interconnected. The fire/code inspector shouldn't be passing the buck to the motel owner. Our code enforcement office should take some of the blame for not policing what they are supposed to be enforcing. This is why they are hired to begin with to make sure building/fire codes are followed.
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Jan 1, 2010
 
He's got to brighter than the Mayor don't you think?
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<quoted text>dale dont look to bright
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Jan 1, 2010
 
Questions wrote:
Was that motel required to have electronic smoke alarms?
Should the motel been responsible for testing the smoke alarms on a daily basis since they had many people's lives at stake?
Exactly what kind of clienetele did the motel cater too? I have heard some pretty shady types.(child molesters, and druggies)
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Why should it matter what type of clientele stayed there? If there is an attic or crawl space above the ceilings on the 2nd floor, there should have been hard wired 120v/with 9v backup alarms. The fire code say's if there is a way to install hard wired alarms without having to penetrate walls inside the rooms, you have to have them. Like I said, even with battery removed completely the alarm will still work. It will chirp occatinally but it will still function. The hard wired alarm also has a 3rd wire for interconnect so that if one alarm goes off, they all do. A lot of hotel chains will have electricians install security screws to attach the alarm to the ceiling so they cannot be tampered with easily, or disabled. Just removing the battery backup does not disable a hard wired alarm. Since they shut the place down to bring it up to code I am going to assume they had battery powered type smoke alarms and are being forced to put in hard wired alarms. My question is, why has not the code officer/fire inspector make them do this upgrade before now?
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Jan 2, 2010
 
My point about who stays there is that many people who are staying there come from the bowels of society. Read the St. Lawrence County sex offender list and see where some of these people are housed. The homeless who can find housing also stayed there. Read the courier observer and notice the addresses in the public record section. A prime example of a person from the bowels of society is the victim's husband who stole duster spray in August from Office Max to huff it. She dies in the fire one day and the next day her husband is thrown in jail for violating his probation. I am curious what the code says regarding this motel and whether it is granfathered into passing the fire code with battery operated smoke alarms because of its age of the business itself. When you rent to someone, you do not have to have a wired smoke alarm.
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Why should it matter what type of clientele stayed there? If there is an attic or crawl space above the ceilings on the 2nd floor, there should have been hard wired 120v/with 9v backup alarms. The fire code say's if there is a way to install hard wired alarms without having to penetrate walls inside the rooms, you have to have them. Like I said, even with battery removed completely the alarm will still work. It will chirp occatinally but it will still function. The hard wired alarm also has a 3rd wire for interconnect so that if one alarm goes off, they all do. A lot of hotel chains will have electricians install security screws to attach the alarm to the ceiling so they cannot be tampered with easily, or disabled. Just removing the battery backup does not disable a hard wired alarm. Since they shut the place down to bring it up to code I am going to assume they had battery powered type smoke alarms and are being forced to put in hard wired alarms. My question is, why has not the code officer/fire inspector make them do this upgrade before now?
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Jan 2, 2010
 
Here is the New York State Fire Code for Motels:

http://www.dos.state.ny.us/CODE/pdf/smokedete...

This does not mention grandfathering, but, maybe it still applies.
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Why should it matter what type of clientele stayed there? If there is an attic or crawl space above the ceilings on the 2nd floor, there should have been hard wired 120v/with 9v backup alarms. The fire code say's if there is a way to install hard wired alarms without having to penetrate walls inside the rooms, you have to have them. Like I said, even with battery removed completely the alarm will still work. It will chirp occatinally but it will still function. The hard wired alarm also has a 3rd wire for interconnect so that if one alarm goes off, they all do. A lot of hotel chains will have electricians install security screws to attach the alarm to the ceiling so they cannot be tampered with easily, or disabled. Just removing the battery backup does not disable a hard wired alarm. Since they shut the place down to bring it up to code I am going to assume they had battery powered type smoke alarms and are being forced to put in hard wired alarms. My question is, why has not the code officer/fire inspector make them do this upgrade before now?
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Jan 2, 2010
 
questions wrote:
My point about who stays there is that many people who are staying there come from the bowels of society. Read the St. Lawrence County sex offender list and see where some of these people are housed. The homeless who can find housing also stayed there. Read the courier observer and notice the addresses in the public record section. A prime example of a person from the bowels of society is the victim's husband who stole duster spray in August from Office Max to huff it. She dies in the fire one day and the next day her husband is thrown in jail for violating his probation. I am curious what the code says regarding this motel and whether it is granfathered into passing the fire code with battery operated smoke alarms because of its age of the business itself. When you rent to someone, you do not have to have a wired smoke alarm. <quoted text>
Age has nothing to do with it. How the dwelling is zoned can be a factor. Most hotel/motels are transient class because people do not stay for an extended period of time. If there are apartments and people live there month to month then it should be reclassified as townhouses or multi family dwelling. Irreguardless, if there is a crawl space or attic above the upper floor ceiling hard wired with interconnect must be installed. If there is a basement or crawl space under the first floor, they must be installed. They can be on the ceiling or on the wall. Which means if it is on the wall then wiremold can be used. These codes have been in affect for a long time, more than 10 years and the fire inspector states the building was inspected "about" a year ago. Even if he told the proprieter that the smoke alarms needed to be upgraded to hard wired with interconnect or a more elaborate fire alarm system had to be installed, the fire inspector should not give them until the next yearly inspection to get it fixed. Something seriously failed , whether it was the fire alarm system or code enforcement not being hard assed and making them become compliant to NYS fire code is in question.

As far as sex offenders or drug users go,is not the point. everyone needs a place to live. What if it were your son or daughter on vacation somewhere and this happened? An innocent traveller? What we are trying to establish here is what failed. The equipment or the people hired to make sure code is followed or both. If they are holding the owners of the motel liable for negligence, why was not the building forced to make upgrades to current code before someone died? The fire inspector is paid to make sure buildings are compliant to fire code. Extinguishers, alarms, emergency lighting, current codes enforced. The owners get notified of code changes and the code enforcement officers and fire inspectors are paid by your tax dollars to make sure these codes are enforced and help ensure safety to the public who use these dwellings. A life is a life and no matter who it was, it COULD have been prevented .
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Jan 2, 2010
 
All the sex offenders who have no place to go when released from prison or jail are housed at Bobs Motel. Check NYS registry, I am certain there are at least 3 living there, if not more . I think the 911 address is 228 trippany rd. It would be interesting to know if the motel is upfront with guest about renting to sex offenders
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Jan 2, 2010
 
Sex offenders are everywhere. Some live in the village even. I don't like the fact that we have a lot of them in our general area however, Mrs. Jones was not a sex offender or a criminal and that is what this thread is about. It's about the fire at the Hillside and what went wrong and how could her death have been prevented.
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Jan 6, 2010
 
The real reason for the fire was a meth lab,

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