Massena Thunder Idea
Hockey Fan

Ithaca, NY

#1 Sep 8, 2011
i know that this has been a heated topic. But i wonder if we can have an adult conversation about the Massena Thunder. I know they won states etc.... Why don't they make the Thunder Teams Tier 1 then leave the local teams in tact at Tier 2. This way it would truly be a regional team and the kids that want to play but may not be good enough for the "Regional Team" can still have a team to play for in their home town and possible have a state bound spot! Seems to me that the board should simply focus on the average player since that is what Massena is made up of and the really good kids will have their team. Thoughts?
Matter of Fact

Ithaca, NY

#2 Sep 8, 2011
Sounds good but until the boards kids age out of the thunder teams nothing will be done! Shame a board member doesn't chime in????? Louisville should have a pretty good team! Its a shame someone doesn't stand up and shout "Enough is Enough" just because that is the way its been doesn't been its the way it has to be!
Kirk

Ithaca, NY

#3 Sep 10, 2011
The thunder could never compete seriously at the tier I level. And as long as the thunder players are not playing with the massena teams, MMHA should move down to tier III. Look at the squirt team as an example. They now struggle at the tier II level to even make to sectionals let alone states. Thats all Massena kids remember!
eric

Bradford, VT

#4 Sep 10, 2011
Good point kirk. An rember when u get to states teams from long island and buffalo still draw about 200 kids for there teams at tier 2. So our local town teams would not compete at that level of play.
Matter of Fact

Ithaca, NY

#5 Sep 12, 2011
OKAY! So with that logic - get rid of the Thunder team- have the "Good" kids play in their local towns and just have good local teams! If they are too good for local teams - they will find other "Regional" teams! Ice Hogs etc. This way maybe the good kids will be a positive influence on the average kids and make them better!!! Just a thought!
I am just saying

Utica, NY

#6 Sep 12, 2011
How about this...until age 10, teams play inhouse only until Feb. Then based on skill level and Stats have a traveling team for weekend games for the remaining season. A panel of coaches would do the selection. This would solve a number of issues. Skills would be foremost, all star teams based on stats and not popularity. Players parents wouldn't be bankrupt from all the travel - often talented players don't even sign up as their parents just can't afford all the travel. If it is limited they could better budget for it.
This plan allows all kids to play and grow as an athlete and not just as the child of an affluent parent who has influence in the selection process. As the child ages out of this program, there should be no question who has the talent to play on the "Thunder" or whatever traveling team he tries out for. Always remember, Keep your head up and keep your stick on the ice.
Hmmm

United States

#7 Sep 12, 2011
I am just saying wrote:
How about this...until age 10, teams play inhouse only until Feb. Then based on skill level and Stats have a traveling team for weekend games for the remaining season. A panel of coaches would do the selection. This would solve a number of issues. Skills would be foremost, all star teams based on stats and not popularity. Players parents wouldn't be bankrupt from all the travel - often talented players don't even sign up as their parents just can't afford all the travel. If it is limited they could better budget for it.
This plan allows all kids to play and grow as an athlete and not just as the child of an affluent parent who has influence in the selection process. As the child ages out of this program, there should be no question who has the talent to play on the "Thunder" or whatever traveling team he tries out for. Always remember, Keep your head up and keep your stick on the ice.
Ithink that's a great idea! Then have someone with no tiees to the area look at stats and the tryout performance- totally objective! Makes too much sense to ever be implemented! Maybe we the boards kids no longer play Thunder!
stu

Ithaca, NY

#10 Sep 12, 2011
When I played hockey in the MMHA back in the 80's we all had a chance to play together. Every kid had a line that worked well after years of growing off each other.We grew up playing in the house leagues and travelling leagues, buy the time our generation went to high school we produced 1993,1995,1997 state champs. Just like the MMHA players of the 60's and 70's, Massena produces hockey players. Every kid that goes to school remembers High School Hockey Champs.
Ron Jeremy

Ithaca, NY

#11 Sep 13, 2011
stu wrote:
When I played hockey in the MMHA back in the 80's we all had a chance to play together. Every kid had a line that worked well after years of growing off each other.We grew up playing in the house leagues and travelling leagues, buy the time our generation went to high school we produced 1993,1995,1997 state champs. Just like the MMHA players of the 60's and 70's, Massena produces hockey players. Every kid that goes to school remembers High School Hockey Champs.
Those days are long behind us son. The sooner people realize that and move on, the better off the hockey in this area will be. The days of state championships at massena central are over!
Simple fix

United States

#12 Sep 13, 2011
Everyone bitches about Thunder yet they take their kids to tryouts! Hope you all learned from the experience! Don't have your kids tryout! Build a good LOCAL. Team! If your kid is REALLY that good- he'll be a star on the local team! Only the parents can change it! If your kid didn't make it- MAYBE they aren't that good right! This is what normal people call a RUDE AWAKENING! Let the local kids play together! We see what happens next year!
dont fool yourself

Ithaca, NY

#13 Sep 18, 2011
omg....tryouts? they have the team picked before they step out on the ice....they just look at the last name...people need to pull their head our of their buts, the reality is none of them are going pro no matter how much money they have.
score

Cortland, NY

#14 Dec 5, 2011
do's anybody know how the thunder teams are doing this year?
crap

New Hartford, NY

#15 Dec 5, 2011
These teams are created because the all the parents think their kid is the next NHL player and they've got the money to throw around with it. Guess what - their not! It is ruining the local hockey teams, most don't even have enough kids to have the teams this year. What happens when these kids are high school age and they want to go back to their local team & play high school? Is that fair that the kid thats a good player and played for his local team the past 15 years, doesn't get to play anymore because the hotshot thunder or icehog is now back & gets to play first? Hockey certainly is not what it use to be. Too bad kids can't play, learn, make friends, have fun anymore. Its way to competitive for children of this age. Unfortunately, it will not change.
Huh

Utica, NY

#16 Dec 8, 2011
crap wrote:
These teams are created because the all the parents think their kid is the next NHL player and they've got the money to throw around with it. Guess what - their not! It is ruining the local hockey teams, most don't even have enough kids to have the teams this year. What happens when these kids are high school age and they want to go back to their local team & play high school? Is that fair that the kid thats a good player and played for his local team the past 15 years, doesn't get to play anymore because the hotshot thunder or icehog is now back & gets to play first? Hockey certainly is not what it use to be. Too bad kids can't play, learn, make friends, have fun anymore. Its way to competitive for children of this age. Unfortunately, it will not change.
It is completely fair. High School Hockey and Minor hockey are two totally separate entities. Playing for one does not influence the other.
funny

White Plains, NY

#17 Dec 8, 2011
How great is a "Thunder" player when he steps out into some decent hockey, and doesn't have Mommy there. He comes home from prep school because he can't make the soccer team let alone the hockey team. Wake up idiots, Massena hockey is about the parents and politics. Let’s see how far the "Thunder" players go when they try to step out into the real world. Spoiled pre-Madonna’s that will end back in Massena riding their parents coat tails at the banks, schools, and maybe even striving to put up garage doors.
Sure

Utica, NY

#18 Dec 8, 2011
Let's see how far they go...the thing is, if you ask the vast majority of these players, they are all smart enough to know that hockey is not their future. I sense some bitterness.

Minor hockey in general is all about the kids going out and playing and having fun. It is up to them what level they wish to play at.

I am not sold on the "thunder" idea. Granted, this program has had some success, I believe all teams at least made their state semi-final last year. But I also see the other side; if it is the Varsity that is everyone's goal then get rid of the Thunder and have them all play together all the way up through; (there will still be unhappy parents) but that will not guarantee state titles at HS.

Overall though it is just hockey, who cares where kids play, as long as they are playing.

Right??
WOWEE

Cortland, NY

#19 Dec 9, 2011
Sure wrote:
Let's see how far they go...the thing is, if you ask the vast majority of these players, they are all smart enough to know that hockey is not their future. I sense some bitterness.
Minor hockey in general is all about the kids going out and playing and having fun. It is up to them what level they wish to play at.
I am not sold on the "thunder" idea. Granted, this program has had some success, I believe all teams at least made their state semi-final last year. But I also see the other side; if it is the Varsity that is everyone's goal then get rid of the Thunder and have them all play together all the way up through; (there will still be unhappy parents) but that will not guarantee state titles at HS.
Overall though it is just hockey, who cares where kids play, as long as they are playing.
Right??
You hit the nail right on the head. thunder won't guarantee state HS titles, but at least some of the kids on the local HS teams will have experienced a state title and national tournament at the minor hockey level.
Who is paying

Saranac Lake, NY

#20 Dec 11, 2011
The Thunder teams are made of of players from Massena and the surrounding communities. They play in the Massena Arena which is subsidized by the taxpayers of Massena. The Thunder idea is not recreation, it is the "re" creation of dreams that many on the hockey boards have had for themselves.

One reason given for the need of Thunder teams is that there is not enough players. This is hogwash. Quit chasing kids away. Think about the money and time that is spent on travel alone.

I know that I do not want to subsidize players from other areas to play in my arena, while the hockey "minds" in Massena are busy figuring out lines for the high school team when the kids are Squirts.

Its getting old. Fix it or go home.

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