Massena Police Chief Say's Recent Suicides All Involve Prescription Drug Abuse

Nov 19, 2011 Full story: 80
Story Courtesy Daily Courier Observer A 48-year-old Norfolk man is dead after walking into a vestibule at the Massena Memorial Hospital emergency room entrance at 6:20 a.m. Saturday and shooting himself in the chest with a 20 guage shotgun. Full Story
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Since: Dec 09

Camillus, NY

#1 Nov 19, 2011
I don't think Law Enforcement or Elected officials realize how widespread this problem really is in St. Lawrence County as a whole. Perhaps now after these recent events of the past few weeks, they will start a campaign to put the clamps on prescription drug abuse and also the Canadian Oxycontin problems that are poisoning our communities. It's not just in Massena, it's a county wide problem.
LEOfficer

Ithaca, NY

#2 Nov 19, 2011
Droopy Draws wrote:
I don't think Law Enforcement or Elected officials realize how widespread this problem really is in St. Lawrence County as a whole. Perhaps now after these recent events of the past few weeks, they will start a campaign to put the clamps on prescription drug abuse and also the Canadian Oxycontin problems that are poisoning our communities. It's not just in Massena, it's a county wide problem.
Hey Droopy Pull your head out of your a$$ before you speak about what LE knows. The people with the boots on the ground are fully aware about the opiate problem. WHy don't you speak to the Dr's that are prescribing this stuff like candy. Why don't you talk to the judges that feel that just because these people have a "drug problem" that they should not be held accountable for their actions. How about the justices that know that pregnant women are abusing opiates and when they are presented with an opportunity to do something about it they do NOTHING. LE is not where the problem lies their hands are bound.
HERP DE DERP

Saranac Lake, NY

#3 Nov 19, 2011
If everyone would just smoke a little weed and lay off the pills, this would be a nicer world.
I know

Ithaca, NY

#4 Nov 19, 2011
OX is killing people all around us, don't know where it is coming from...... have a best friend that is circling the toilet bowl !!!! SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE..... NOW !!!

Since: Dec 09

Camillus, NY

#5 Nov 19, 2011
LEOfficer wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Droopy Pull your head out of your a$$ before you speak about what LE knows. The people with the boots on the ground are fully aware about the opiate problem. WHy don't you speak to the Dr's that are prescribing this stuff like candy. Why don't you talk to the judges that feel that just because these people have a "drug problem" that they should not be held accountable for their actions. How about the justices that know that pregnant women are abusing opiates and when they are presented with an opportunity to do something about it they do NOTHING. LE is not where the problem lies their hands are bound.
I am not bashing anyone. Just stating there needs to be more awareness to the problem. It's not just the doctors either. Hundreds of Canadian oxycontins are sold on the streets daily that come from the reservation. Daily. My head is not up my ass thanks though. I prefer to advocate for stopping/curbing the problem and especially the kids in our community who look up to our local policemen and women as role models to aid with prevention would greatly help. I agree with you on the court system and again am not bashing LE in any way. If everyone does there part to aid in prevention, the problems may be a lot less than they are now. I know about the pregnant woman you are talking about and that whole story and I agree. I don't believe that LE's hands are bound. You bust someone with 1 pill and they get 7th degree posession and they get a year of probation. There has to be a lot of intel collected on where they came from. There are others that are free to sell opiates by the hundreds for years that are protected and never get busted. Want to go there? Don't tell me I am talking out of my ass. Have a nice day.
A Concerned Citizen

Camillus, NY

#6 Nov 19, 2011
I think that the Massena Police should turn this particular case over to the State Police. It involves a shooting on a village property, where there is liability to the village and a conflict of interest to the police department. If only a small amount of what I have heard is true then the Hospital, and Mr Wolfe's Doctors might be held partially responsible for this apparent suicide.

To me this story reads a cry for help, that was unanswered.

“my $.02> your $.02”

Since: May 10

Ithaca, NY

#7 Nov 19, 2011
Most of the troublesome prescription drugs are to be pulled from the market anyway. Due to the fact many contain acetaminophen that will cause liver damage in high doses the FDA is trying to get them removed or more tightly controlled.

Since: Dec 09

Camillus, NY

#8 Nov 19, 2011
In the meantime, people that hold prescriptions for opiates and are suspected of selling them need to be more accountable. Weekly doctor visits instead of monthly or the patient prescribed can be called in to the office at any time within the month at random so their meds can be counted by the doctor. If you meds don't add up, cut them off. There is still the problem of the black market Oxy's coming in from Canada. What to do about that? Those seem to come from a manufacturer because there are just too many of them every day to be someones prescriptions.
I know

Ithaca, NY

#9 Nov 19, 2011
It's VERY SIMPLE .... Every day I read the police blotter across the county, ran a light, didn'nt make a complete stop, 5 MPH over the speed limit , undreage drinking, ete. etc. etc., ALL of which is important, HOWEVER... PEOPLE ARE DYING, BLOWING THEIR BRAINS OUT !! Did anyone ever hear of PRIORITIES ? We have 300 plus border patrol, county, local,etc.( I see more law enforcement vehicles than civilian every day ) FIND WHERE THE BAILS OF PILLS ARE COMING FROM , AND STOP IT ! Before it is your son, daughter that takes a shot gun to their head !

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#10 Nov 19, 2011
if pill poppers can find pills, with a little leg work im sure the police can find the dealers also/never mind the seatbelts catch some bigger criminals. people are asking why we have so many BP around.... well now you can stop asking...drugs kill
Concerned Citizen

Ithaca, NY

#11 Nov 19, 2011
What do you think this I CSI? Things are much more difficult than you realize.
Meso

Watertown, NY

#12 Nov 19, 2011
The hospital belongs to the town, not the village.
Bystander

Hoboken, NJ

#13 Nov 19, 2011
To begin with, the Chief of Police, Mr. Tim Currier, owes an apology to the families of the three individuals who committed suicide. A person, especially one who is not a doctor or psychologist, should not be making off the cuff remarks about a person's state of mind regardless of how or when that person dies. Many of the anti-depressants on the market today warn of serious side effects, particularly "suicidal thoughts" when taking them. A "despondent" nineteen year old" taking his own life? A man who was just seen in the emergency room of the hospital a few hour earlier returns a few hours later and ends his life? Currier is an idiot and the people at the emergency room obviously missed something. I'm not saying Massena and the County doesn't have its share of pillbillys, but I would wager that all three of these people fell through the "Mental Health Care" cracks and were not necessasarily "prescription drug abusers." But were simply ordinary people who were suffering from depression and experiencing serious side effects of that depression or the medication they were on. You people should be a little slower on the draw before you start judging others. Especially you, Doctor... uh Chief... Mr. Currier.
randy

Lake Placid, NY

#14 Nov 19, 2011
leave timmy alone he has an alcoholic brother

Since: Dec 09

Camillus, NY

#15 Nov 19, 2011
Bystander wrote:
To begin with, the Chief of Police, Mr. Tim Currier, owes an apology to the families of the three individuals who committed suicide. A person, especially one who is not a doctor or psychologist, should not be making off the cuff remarks about a person's state of mind regardless of how or when that person dies. Many of the anti-depressants on the market today warn of serious side effects, particularly "suicidal thoughts" when taking them. A "despondent" nineteen year old" taking his own life? A man who was just seen in the emergency room of the hospital a few hour earlier returns a few hours later and ends his life? Currier is an idiot and the people at the emergency room obviously missed something. I'm not saying Massena and the County doesn't have its share of pillbillys, but I would wager that all three of these people fell through the "Mental Health Care" cracks and were not necessasarily "prescription drug abusers." But were simply ordinary people who were suffering from depression and experiencing serious side effects of that depression or the medication they were on. You people should be a little slower on the draw before you start judging others. Especially you, Doctor... uh Chief... Mr. Currier.
Withdrawal from drugs in which a person is addicted to also causes depression and can cause a person to be despondent. People in withdrawal also known as "dope sick" can cause desperate people to do desperate things. The 2 prior suicides from today, both people were known street drug users. As far as slipping through the cracks, you cannot help those who do not want help or deny they have a problem. The police chief shared a common thread they found through investigation. You are way off on your assumptions and observations I am sorry to say.
gamer

Ithaca, NY

#16 Nov 19, 2011
LEOfficer wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Droopy Pull your head out of your a$$ before you speak about what LE knows. The people with the boots on the ground are fully aware about the opiate problem. WHy don't you speak to the Dr's that are prescribing this stuff like candy. Why don't you talk to the judges that feel that just because these people have a "drug problem" that they should not be held accountable for their actions. How about the justices that know that pregnant women are abusing opiates and when they are presented with an opportunity to do something about it they do NOTHING. LE is not where the problem lies their hands are bound.
Very correct with this post but also take into consideration that there are so many "rights" activists out there that also tie the hands of law enforcement. They are aware of the problem but it's almost impossible for them to fight the war when they are at such a disadvantage. What are the answers? They need more than just a call from citizens saying that there are a lot of people in and out of the persons home.
Bystander

Hoboken, NJ

#17 Nov 19, 2011
Droopy Draws wrote:
<quoted text>
Withdrawal from drugs in which a person is addicted to also causes depression and can cause a person to be despondent. People in withdrawal also known as "dope sick" can cause desperate people to do desperate things. The 2 prior suicides from today, both people were known street drug users. As far as slipping through the cracks, you cannot help those who do not want help or deny they have a problem. The police chief shared a common thread they found through investigation. You are way off on your assumptions and observations I am sorry to say.
Ok Doctor Droopy! I think I have a hernia. Can you use your investigative powers to deduce whether I have one or not and then use your Medical Degree to heal me? You always seem to need to have to be right! What's up with that? And the third suicide? No clue! Never say that any one is beyond help. An old Roman proverb goes like this..."Where there is life..there is hope." But you are just willing to write them all off. Gotcha. Let's hope this shit never strikes too close to your heart. No offense.
gamer

Ithaca, NY

#18 Nov 19, 2011
Bystander wrote:
To begin with, the Chief of Police, Mr. Tim Currier, owes an apology to the families of the three individuals who committed suicide. A person, especially one who is not a doctor or psychologist, should not be making off the cuff remarks about a person's state of mind regardless of how or when that person dies. Many of the anti-depressants on the market today warn of serious side effects, particularly "suicidal thoughts" when taking them. A "despondent" nineteen year old" taking his own life? A man who was just seen in the emergency room of the hospital a few hour earlier returns a few hours later and ends his life? Currier is an idiot and the people at the emergency room obviously missed something. I'm not saying Massena and the County doesn't have its share of pillbillys, but I would wager that all three of these people fell through the "Mental Health Care" cracks and were not necessasarily "prescription drug abusers." But were simply ordinary people who were suffering from depression and experiencing serious side effects of that depression or the medication they were on. You people should be a little slower on the draw before you start judging others. Especially you, Doctor... uh Chief... Mr. Currier.
Typical....blame everybody but the person doing wrong...One of the reasons society is so screwed up today. "Don't spank your children for doing something wrong...just give them time out for a few minutes" Oh yeah, That really works. If someone gets addicted to drugs blame the police, county, Doctors and anyone else you can but don't you dare blame the drug addict. They can't help themselves. What a CROCK!
Bystander

Hoboken, NJ

#19 Nov 19, 2011
Many (if not all) Law Enforcement Officers in St. Lawrence County are not trained in the Psychology of Suicide. I defy any person on this forum to give me an accurate description of a term used in the Law Enforcement Forensic Field called a "psychological autopsy." Yeah. Welcome to St. Lawrence County. Not only is it full of pillbillys, its full of other bullshit too.
concerned

Atlanta, GA

#20 Nov 19, 2011
I think these hospitals and physicians need to create a free clinic just for prescription drug addiction. There are some great people that at one time had serious medical issues and used legally for pain control and now are severally addicted. As well there are addicts that use illegally but no matter what HELP is needed!

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