Young woman found dead in Seaford garage

Young woman found dead in Seaford garage

There are 398 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 22, 2008, titled Young woman found dead in Seaford garage. In it, Newsday reports that:

An 18-year-old Massapequa woman was found dead in the garage of a Seaford house on Saturday morning, the Nassau police said.

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Former Heroin Addict

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#443 Jul 19, 2008
Her death is tragic. But when her parents blame her boyfriend, it's mis-directed.

When people use heroin, it isnt the dealer's fault, or the boyfriend's fault, or George Bush's fault either for that matter. The death of this girl is tragic, and she never should have gotten into heroin - but she did, and she is responsible for the consequences. Nobody forced her to use heroin, and everybody is acting as if she were an innocent victim. If this were a young man who died instead of a girl, nobody would see him as a victim of anything other than his own addiction. It's tragic, indeed. But the dealers dont force anybody to use dope, and they dont deal where there is no demand.

Furthermore - A note to parents: Never, ever go to the police with evidence that you may find in your children's room, or in their possession. They will end up with a record, and that will destroy them for good, even after they stop using drugs. If you suspect drug use, force your kids into a rehab - give them no alternative, but NEVER go to the police. The police will use them to try to get the dealers, and force your child into a corner in an effort to make a higher level arrest. The police will fool you into thinking that they want to "help" your child - but your kid is not at the top of their agenda. Making more arrests is at the top of their agenda, and they will use your kid to do it - along with threats of more punitive incarceration, or whatever means they have at their disposal to do it.

You may be thinking that going to the police is the best way to help your son or daughter - it's not. Once they have felony posession on their record you can forget about them ever having a good job. Think the cops care about that ? Hell no, they dont - and the excuse they will tell you will be in the form of a question --> "would you rather your kid be dead, or have a record ?". Thats how they will frame it - as if there were no other alternative solution. There is - just use your authority to force them into a rehab. Once they get a taste of the streets, they will comply. Dont be stupid or naive - NEVER cooperate with the police, unless its too late and your kid is already busted. In that case, then you had better cooperate with the police.

Why am I an authority ? Because I was a Nassau County heroin addict for 6 years. The stuff is so fiendishly insideous, and I feel for any parent who has a child that got into this drug. Its like no other drug - it belongs in a class all by itself. It truly is a life-wrecker. There is no such thing as a functional heroin-addict. Any "functionality" in the life of a heroin addict - is temporary, trust me, it wont last very long. Eventually, it will swallow you up. The drug gets worse, and worse, too. If you get clean, and youre thinking, "well - I was addicted before, and I have kicked it before, I can do it again" ? You are wrongo - It will be worse this time, guaranteed. If you used heroin 1000 times - the 1001st time you use it will make your life worse than it did the 1000th time. Each and every use of this stuff, the consequences get worse and worse.

Every other drug in the book, is exaggerated by those with good intentions trying to prevent teens from using. For example, marijuana - parents often exaggerate the damage pot can do, to scare kids into not trying it. But I can honestly say that Heroin is the only drug where all of the warnings are 100% true - theres no exaggeration, you just cant exaggerate the danger of this stuff, its that bad. If your kid is into it - you have to stop them, and fast. But NEVER go to the police.

Take it from me, a former Nassau County Heroin Addict.
an addicts story

Jackson, NJ

#444 Jul 19, 2008
massapequa mom wrote:
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I agree with you for the most part...but what schools can do and are not is controlling what happens in the building and in the vicinity around it. Deals take place in classrooms! And nothing is done. Deals occur in FRONT OF THE BUILDING and nothing is done. This cannot be allowed to continue. The message it sends to the kids is "We don't give a damn what you do". But we do. And we must.
I thank you for your story. And I hope each day brings you closer to the peace you seek and deserve for your heroic efforts to turn your life around. God bless....
I can only speak for myself - back when I was in Jr high school/high - people did get arrested for drugs - I do not know how it is today - kids pass things to each other all the time - what is the school suppose to do - stop and check every kid that passed something - or had something passed to them?- I am not famliar with the protcol if a school SUSPECTS someone is dealing - I would think that UNLESS they are caught in the act - nothing can be done due to law suits - it is a hard situation by far - and how it was handled when I was in school - parenting is the key - but still - if someone wants to use - there is no stopping them
an addicts story

Jackson, NJ

#445 Jul 19, 2008
Ronnie wrote:
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Good luck!! Please when you see a kid out there who may appear to be heading in the direction you once headed take the time to talk WITH them, not TO them.
Users are more likely to listen to an addict rather than a non addict - you are right talking WITH them is also the key - thanks for the luck - I need every bit of it
Scapegoat Boyfriend

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#446 Jul 20, 2008
They are really scape-goating her boyfriend here. I understand that the parents are grief stricken. But I also understand, as did her parents - that she was a heroin addict for more than a year now - she had a history. Dealers don't force people to use heroin, they meet an existing demand. If this girl were a victim of heroin addiction, well then so is her boyfriend - he is also, a victim of heroin addiction. Is he not entitled to the same level of empathy as being given to the girl here ? The only difference is that he would sell some of the dope he got, probably in an effort to support his own habit. But he is a victim just the same as she was. He has parents too, and Im sure they are just as worried to death as The Ciappa family was before Natalie died. He is not responsible for her poor judgement, even if he was the one who introduced her to the drug - he is still not responsible for the choices she made. What's the difference between he, and she ? They were both heroin addicts who used of their own volition. If he hadnt supplied her with her dose, she would have gotten it elsewhere. He is not respionsible for her heroin addiction. I hear the parents like, "We had him in our home, he said all the right things." Why is the discussion about him ? What about, "She was our daughter. She was addicted to heroin." Why are the parents talking about the boyfriend as if it's all his fault ? This kid is being scape-goated big time.
poorgirl

Bellerose, NY

#447 Jul 31, 2008
natalie was a beautiful girl with her whole life ahead of her, she didnt desevere to die young but honestly this is why the story is sad. she was a good person but wasnt perfect she didnt learn from her mistake and honestly she blew her last chance of living away. and you cant say oh she was a drug addict who cares if she was smart and a good person she still did drugs. honestly she was a senior and she did graduate so like her and many other seniors she went out and partied the only that happend was shes the one who payed for it in the end. i was at her wake for both days and all of plainedge was there god took her away so help save the lives of many other teens. So for anyone to say oh shes a bad seed no shes an angel. rip nat<33

“Massapequa Mom”

Since: Jul 08

Massapequa, NY

#448 Aug 8, 2008
Just an update to those who live in the Massapequa area...and even to those who don't..because maybe something of this can be applied to where you live. I attended the school board meeting yesterday evening. A security consulting company had apparently been contracted to do a "lay of the land" survey a couple of years and thankfully, one of the things they noted was that the school district and the local law enforcement officials need to communicate more effectively..also that there needs to be better training of teachers in emergent situations. Another recommendation was to develop a zero tolerance atmosphere in school buildings through the use of drug detecting canines. The board received these recommendations enthusiastically, and made some other sensible suggestions. I personaloly favor undercoverpolice to dogs. DOgs cannot arrest people and I want dealers arrested. I also want kids who sell in schools going to juvie. Sorry. It is a place of learning and if they don't like going off to juvie, they shouldn't sell!

ALso, I spoke to the heroin issue and Superintendent Sulc and the board are happy to develop parental education programs. The YES program is already in place, but I think going to the PTA meetings to share learnings and observationswill be more effective. They are also interested in the idea of a "Living and Government" course for high schoolers, with mandatory community service. I don't know if it will be approved, or even put to a vote, but a first step is a first step. If these kids complain that they are bored, they will soon be given some excitement to keep them busy if all goes well.

I will be working closely with Superintendent Sulc and the YES program in the near (next month) future. I encourage all of you with concerns and ideas to come forward. The security company has echoed to the board a lot of what many of you have said, and it did not fall on deaf ears. Please come to the next board meeting to state your concerns and look out for the YES meetings too. I will ask Mr.Sulc and the BOE to pu tthe dates and times of any drug awareness outreach sessions to parents on the district web pages.

Finally, I do want to emphasize that no matter what I do, or the schools and law enforcement officials do, parents need to help out at home. Demand more of your kids. Demand that they not pass, but excel in school. Demand that they learn the value of hard work, intellectual curiosity, and that they give back to hose less fortunate than themselves. I know it is hard. And for God's sake, don't leave them alone when you go away.

Kids, demand more of yourselves. You can do it. Others can, why can't you? Adopting ghetto clothes and a ghetto attitude will, guess what? Get you in the ghetto! You are judged, sad to say, by the way you speak and look. Mostly by the former, by certainly also by the latter. And if you think you can handle living in a ghetto and all that entails, contact me, and I will drop you off near the East New York projects for a couple of hours. You will soon stand corrected.

Anyway, enough of all that. Enjoy your weekend folks and please help where you can.
Former H Addict

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#449 Aug 30, 2008
Massapequa is flooded with Heroin.

It's hard to believe, but it's totally true. Unfortunately, most kids who get into this drug don't know what they are getting themselves into, until it's too late. This drug is not like weed, or drinking - as they seem to think it is when they start to "experiment" with it. This is the big time, the major leagues of drug abuse. Heroin is not a drug to "experiment" with. As with any other drug, it seems wonderful at first, it cures all of your problems.

When you first use Heroin, it's like - you immediately think, "Wow - This feels fantastic, why wouldnt I want to feel this way all the time ?" And sure enough, you do. You do everything you can, to get that feeling, all the time. What you dont realize youre doing when you begin to run with this drug, is putting blinders on to everytinbg around you, because you feel so content, as long as you have the drug. Heroin is the only drug where you could be crucified on a cross, and it wouldnt bother you at all, as long as long as you have your dope. You'd literally be hanging form the cross like, "this isnt so bad". Any drug with that kind of power, cant possibly be a good thing.

Heroin is like, your first f*ck, your graduatiuon from college, your first job, you name it - it gives you that good positive feeling that normal people can only get via hard work, or other honest, healthy means. But once you realize you can get that same feeling, without having to do any of the work - you will chase it, and chase it you will. Before you know it, you cant do anything without your dope. You become completely dependent upon it, in a way that your ordinary pot-head's craving doesnt even scratch the surface of understanding.

That always used to give me a laugh - when people in rehabs talk about Heroin, and the "cravings". No - you crave Ice Cream, or Chinese food. But you need heroin the same way that you need air, water, or food. If this sounds like something you want to get into, then by all means - go right ahead, and lose all your teeth while youre at it. But if you are willing to listen to someone who has been there before, then you are making a smart decision.

Just stay away from it. Dont even try it once, youre f*cking with the wrong drug my friend.

“Massapequa Mom”

Since: Jul 08

Massapequa, NY

#450 Aug 31, 2008
Former H Addict wrote:
Massapequa is flooded with Heroin.
It's hard to believe, but it's totally true. Unfortunately, most kids who get into this drug don't know what they are getting themselves into, until it's too late. This drug is not like weed, or drinking - as they seem to think it is when they start to "experiment" with it. This is the big time, the major leagues of drug abuse. Heroin is not a drug to "experiment" with. As with any other drug, it seems wonderful at first, it cures all of your problems.
When you first use Heroin, it's like - you immediately think, "Wow - This feels fantastic, why wouldnt I want to feel this way all the time ?" And sure enough, you do. You do everything you can, to get that feeling, all the time. What you dont realize youre doing when you begin to run with this drug, is putting blinders on to everytinbg around you, because you feel so content, as long as you have the drug. Heroin is the only drug where you could be crucified on a cross, and it wouldnt bother you at all, as long as long as you have your dope. You'd literally be hanging form the cross like, "this isnt so bad". Any drug with that kind of power, cant possibly be a good thing.
Heroin is like, your first f*ck, your graduatiuon from college, your first job, you name it - it gives you that good positive feeling that normal people can only get via hard work, or other honest, healthy means. But once you realize you can get that same feeling, without having to do any of the work - you will chase it, and chase it you will. Before you know it, you cant do anything without your dope. You become completely dependent upon it, in a way that your ordinary pot-head's craving doesnt even scratch the surface of understanding.
That always used to give me a laugh - when people in rehabs talk about Heroin, and the "cravings". No - you crave Ice Cream, or Chinese food. But you need heroin the same way that you need air, water, or food. If this sounds like something you want to get into, then by all means - go right ahead, and lose all your teeth while youre at it. But if you are willing to listen to someone who has been there before, then you are making a smart decision.
Just stay away from it. Dont even try it once, youre f*cking with the wrong drug my friend.
Thanks for this. I wish we could get folks like yout to speak to the kids at the local schools. Are you interested? Btw, people around here still seem to refuse to believe the "flooded" part..where are you getting your numbers from or anecdotes so I can use them?

“Massapequa Mom”

Since: Jul 08

Massapequa, NY

#451 Aug 31, 2008
Former H Addict wrote:
Massapequa is flooded with Heroin.
It's hard to believe, but it's totally true. Unfortunately, most kids who get into this drug don't know what they are getting themselves into, until it's too late. This drug is not like weed, or drinking - as they seem to think it is when they start to "experiment" with it. This is the big time, the major leagues of drug abuse. Heroin is not a drug to "experiment" with. As with any other drug, it seems wonderful at first, it cures all of your problems.
When you first use Heroin, it's like - you immediately think, "Wow - This feels fantastic, why wouldnt I want to feel this way all the time ?" And sure enough, you do. You do everything you can, to get that feeling, all the time. What you dont realize youre doing when you begin to run with this drug, is putting blinders on to everytinbg around you, because you feel so content, as long as you have the drug. Heroin is the only drug where you could be crucified on a cross, and it wouldnt bother you at all, as long as long as you have your dope. You'd literally be hanging form the cross like, "this isnt so bad". Any drug with that kind of power, cant possibly be a good thing.
Heroin is like, your first f*ck, your graduatiuon from college, your first job, you name it - it gives you that good positive feeling that normal people can only get via hard work, or other honest, healthy means. But once you realize you can get that same feeling, without having to do any of the work - you will chase it, and chase it you will. Before you know it, you cant do anything without your dope. You become completely dependent upon it, in a way that your ordinary pot-head's craving doesnt even scratch the surface of understanding.
That always used to give me a laugh - when people in rehabs talk about Heroin, and the "cravings". No - you crave Ice Cream, or Chinese food. But you need heroin the same way that you need air, water, or food. If this sounds like something you want to get into, then by all means - go right ahead, and lose all your teeth while youre at it. But if you are willing to listen to someone who has been there before, then you are making a smart decision.
Just stay away from it. Dont even try it once, youre f*cking with the wrong drug my friend.
PS. Congratulations on your recovery and continued peace
Former H Addict

AOL

#452 Aug 31, 2008
Hello Massapequa Mom,

Well, yeah - youre right, people like myself do not want to go public, in any way whatsoever. The stigma associated with the use of this drug, no matter how much time has elapsed between getting clean and a last use, makes no difference at all. Once you have been associaed with Heroin, you may as well tattoo a large X on your forehead - nobody wants anything to do with you, and in most cases, it's completely justified.

When we watch the news, and hear about someone who murdered for like $38 bucks, it's incomprehensible. But to a Heroin addict who has been through the discomfort of withdrawal, it makes sense. I mean, most people will read this and be outraged, like, "discomfort ?... How about the `discomfort` of being murdered ?" But to an addict in need of a fix, the consequences for their behavior isnt even considered until after getting that fix - at which time they take on the sensibility of a normal person, and become filled with disgust, and self-hate, for whatever behavior they engaged in, in order to get the drug.

It's called a "fix" for a reason - youre broken without it. When an addict doesnt have their dope, they are literally broken, completely un-functional. You can forget about finding a job, or falling in love, or just about anything else you used to do which made you happy. You become a shell of a person - you eat (if you have money for food), you drink (water, unless you can afford a soda), and you sleep (if you have been fixed, otherwise you can forget about sleeping too).

When kids learn aboout the dangers of drug abuse in school, or from their parents, much of what they hear is exaggerated - well intentioned, but exaggerated in an effort to keep them from using drugs. Then, when they go out and experiment with drugs, they come to learn that much of what they heard is inaccurate. As in, like, you wont necessarily jump off a building thinking that you can fly, simply because you smoked some weed. Or, you wont necessarily wind up in jail for killing someone after drinking and driving, and that you actually may get home safely. Kids read this stuff, and assume it's all nonsense designed to scare them, in an effort to keep them from using drugs. However, I can honestly say that Heroin is the only drug where all of the available information out there, is entirely accurate - you cant exaggerate the danger of this stuff, its that bad.

As far as my statistics are concerned, my source for this information is nothing but what I know as a result of what I hear, and the people I know. Im still connected to ugly underbelly of Massapequa, and I know exactly what's going around.

If you have a loved one, or anybody else who you are concerned about, I wish you the best of luck. I hope you can make this clear to them before its to late. If you are concerned that its too late, I assure you, its not. There are medications available now which can prevent people from using this drug. They are called Opiate-Blockers, and one of them comes as part of a drug designed to prevent withdrawal, as well as to block the effects of Heroin should it be used. The drug I am talking about is called "Suboxone", and it's a miracle drug.

Good Luck.
-Former H Addict
levittown mom

New York, NY

#453 Sep 1, 2008
My son was a friend of Natalie's. She came over our house a few times & I remember she was always polite & always wanted to have a conversation. she was also a very pretty girl witha wonderful smile. I would never have thought she would be involved with drugs especially herion.
I was wondering how your dealings with the Massapequa BOE has been going Massapequa mom. I would like to get this going in our school district also. If you have any constructive advice let me know.
I just find now there's too many things out there & I really want to do anything I can to stop it. Maybe if we all ban together we will finally make a dent in this epidemic. I want to approach our PTA & see what they can suggest.
W T F

Wayne, NJ

#454 Sep 2, 2008
All these postings are positive approaches, but lets look at the big picture for a second: the Moms & Dads of today are still smoking weed like it's OK...(therefore, to your children, it's harmless)Teens are supplied with cell phones w/texting capability (because the cellphone is not good enough)They are supplied with cars (New or Leased ones, in most cases)ALL supplied by PARENTS! You know LI becomes a ghost town after 10pm - yet you still let those kids out till the wee hours of the morning - what do you THINK they are doing? You could "teach" and "coach" your teen till the cows come home (but most parents are too tired from a long days work)but if you allow teens to just hang out aimlessly with losers (because thats' whats out there at that time)then don't be surprised when they go down this path. One more thing, teens have the capability of knowing right from wrong - they choose to take these more serious drugs because they are "broken", something has made them become detached - and the detachment becomes more pronounced, by disassociating from family and (true friends)This does not happen overnight - if you OPEN your parental eyes - you could probably catch these weaker minded individuals - before it's too late... Good Luck
levittown mom

Montauk, NY

#455 Sep 3, 2008
I only wish your "quick fix" would be enough WTF. My son has now been thrown out of our house for the second time in 2 years because we cannot deal with his drug problem. He is 20 & there is nothing we can do. When he was still in high school my son, my husband & myself ALL attend drug counselling. Last year when he was supposed to be going to school (NCC) but instead was partying, we took his car away from him & off the road. Talk is definitely cheap. Bottom line is you CANNOT change an addict (no matter what their problem is) unless they truly want the help. I thought my son had hit rock bottom last year, but I guess I was wrong. We have to protect our younger kids & hope they will see the destructive path their brother is on so they won't follow.

“Massapequa Mom”

Since: Jul 08

Massapequa, NY

#456 Sep 4, 2008
levittown mom wrote:
My son was a friend of Natalie's. She came over our house a few times & I remember she was always polite & always wanted to have a conversation. she was also a very pretty girl witha wonderful smile. I would never have thought she would be involved with drugs especially herion.
I was wondering how your dealings with the Massapequa BOE has been going Massapequa mom. I would like to get this going in our school district also. If you have any constructive advice let me know.
I just find now there's too many things out there & I really want to do anything I can to stop it. Maybe if we all ban together we will finally make a dent in this epidemic. I want to approach our PTA & see what they can suggest.
Hello there

Sorry for the delay in posting, I have been on the road for work! My meeting with the BOE was pretty successful because I had the good luck of going to a board meeting that included a presentation of findings from a security consultant. The fact that people in school administration were not aware of drusg being sold in the school was a question of poor training and those guys only confirmed it. so the BOE says they will correct this. I sure hope so, but we have to give them a chance. What I recommend is that you request meetings with your PTA and NCPD officials..also, Massapequa is having YES program to increase awareness among parents on October 20..details to follow, but perhaps you could suggest that some people in your place come, too. I will be presenting some data at that program, as far as I know :)

Also, mobilize people in your community to write the BOE, the NCPD and Suozzi and Rice to demand more enforcement of quality of life issues (vagrancy, loitering, trespassing, panhandling etc) because signs of those are signs of trouble..
i can post a sample if you want

“Massapequa Mom”

Since: Jul 08

Massapequa, NY

#457 Sep 4, 2008
levittown mom wrote:
I only wish your "quick fix" would be enough WTF. My son has now been thrown out of our house for the second time in 2 years because we cannot deal with his drug problem. He is 20 & there is nothing we can do. When he was still in high school my son, my husband & myself ALL attend drug counselling. Last year when he was supposed to be going to school (NCC) but instead was partying, we took his car away from him & off the road. Talk is definitely cheap. Bottom line is you CANNOT change an addict (no matter what their problem is) unless they truly want the help. I thought my son had hit rock bottom last year, but I guess I was wrong. We have to protect our younger kids & hope they will see the destructive path their brother is on so they won't follow.
PS. God speed.

“Massapequa Mom”

Since: Jul 08

Massapequa, NY

#458 Sep 4, 2008
levittown mom wrote:
My son was a friend of Natalie's. She came over our house a few times & I remember she was always polite & always wanted to have a conversation. she was also a very pretty girl witha wonderful smile. I would never have thought she would be involved with drugs especially herion.
I was wondering how your dealings with the Massapequa BOE has been going Massapequa mom. I would like to get this going in our school district also. If you have any constructive advice let me know.
I just find now there's too many things out there & I really want to do anything I can to stop it. Maybe if we all ban together we will finally make a dent in this epidemic. I want to approach our PTA & see what they can suggest.
Sample letter to the BOE

I write to you today to ask your assistance in addressing the rapidly escalating prevalence of heroin abuse among students in our district. While this problem is not, by far, unique to our area, it remains an issue in our community that needs to be proactively addressed. How serious is it?

* Several substance abuse intake coordinators and treaters across Long Island report a rapid rise in the use in inhaled heroin and other opioids over the last few years among adolescents. What is troubling is many of these kids are not yet 14 years old
* Law enforcement officials, specifically, Lt. Detective Andrew Fal, Commander, Nassau County Vice and Narcotics Squad have confirmed that heroin and other drugs are readily procurable in the immediate vicinity of the high school building.
* Escalating drug use can and will be followed by an increase in robberies, and other crimes, as the users will seek to fund their escalating needs

Our district can and must assume a responsibility toward the following to help stop this epidemic. That is what several drug treatment centers are now calling it. Please work with me to obtain the following support for our community:

* Education of parents and teachers on the signs and symptoms of opioid use and withdrawal
* Education of parents and teachers on signs of drugs dealing (high traffic in front of homes, etc)
* Educate parents on the signs and symptoms of drug abuse
* Request undercover police personnel in and outside the middle and high school buildings to arrest drug sellers
* Demand that police aggressively enforce quality of life statutes around our schools and community: trespassing, loitering, vandalism, petty thefts are all signs of trouble
* Ask police to aggressively prosecute the "host" laws

Thanking you in advance for your attention to this matter,
General Zod

United States

#459 Sep 28, 2008
Seford is not called the harbor rat central for nothing.

What a ghetto (trash) hell hole.

Now this jerk was asian, seaford is turing into the United nations.
Road Rage Rob

Fresh Meadows, NY

#460 Jun 27, 2010
This house is for Rent on South Street the Shanty Ghetto of Seaford. Good things about Seaford:

Very Easy to score drugs.

House wifes love to cheat and these husbands and have adulty Sex.

Your neighbor will be White Trash.

And there are more trash like this monster in Seaford.

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