Gay bashing thrives in Jamaica, homosexuality seen as sin

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Obeah Man

Brazil

#243 Jan 11, 2010
Peter Dangles wrote:
Jamaica is a BLACK country...
How about a little tolerance for their culture?
When diversity runs up against perversity, lily white liberals show themselves for the racists they are...
Muslims just kill homosexuals, yet lily white liberals in their ivory towers tell us we need tolerance...
WHAT A JOKE!
I used to be against the gays making all this noise because like you I was ignorant but most of their argument is justified. It's also funny how many Jamaicans try to play the moral compass about homosexuality but they turn a blind eye to the rampant sexual abuse and violence that plagues the island.

Jamaica has been the world's murder capital for many years yet the hatred against homosexuals continues.

An alarming number of Jamaicans are illiterate yet the hatred against homosexuals continues.

Jamaica is on the brink of bankruptcy due to the historically corrupt PNP and JLP yet people continue to vote these crooks in and the hatred against homosexuals continues.

It's all regardless. I think the real reason why so many Jamaican express hatred against homosexuals is because it's a pecking order thing. People need somebody else to look down on and scorn to feel more secure about themselves.
K Bar

Minneapolis, MN

#244 Jan 11, 2010
Obeah Man wrote:
<quoted text>
People who are overly homophobic are usually hiding inward homosexual inclinations. The homophobia ingrained into Jamaican culture is nothing to be proud of and I don't think any educated Jamaican or Jamaican of class would include homophobia as part of their heritage.
Ah yes! That classic BS line never get's old! Of course your deviant pride trumps everyone elses, right? Take your racist, heterophobic attitude and stick it up your worn out a#s, ya phag!!
Obeah Man

Brazil

#247 Jan 11, 2010
K Bar wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes! That classic BS line never get's old! Of course your deviant pride trumps everyone elses, right? Take your racist, heterophobic attitude and stick it up your worn out a#s, ya phag!!
I'm not homosexual you moron. And what did I say that was racist? I'm Black.
Attractive Black Man

New Lenox, IL

#248 Jan 11, 2010
I'm straight and attractive. If I go to Jamaica, someone might think that I'm gay and try to beat me.
No thank you. I'll pass on vacationing there.
Obeah Man

Brazil

#249 Jan 11, 2010
Peter Dangles wrote:
<quoted text>
It was you religious white girly men who brought the black man to Jamaica as slaves, now you want us to do what you say still???
Leave Jamaica in peace or in hate, just leave us... Prance around in your girly man parades in the racist white country...
You are an ignorant fool. I'm not religious or White. Abrahamic religion was the tool that the slave-masters used to brainwash us into believing that we and our Afrikan ancestry was inferior. So why you would follow a religion that deems you as inferior and actually endorsed the enslavement of your ancestors? Educate yourself and free yourself from your colonial self-hating mindset. I don't support homosexuality but at the same time they have the same right to life and happiness as everyone else does. Direct your hatred towards pedophiles.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#252 Jan 11, 2010
Peter Dangles wrote:
Jamaica is a BLACK country...
How about a little tolerance for their culture?
When diversity runs up against perversity, lily white liberals show themselves for the racists they are...
Muslims just kill homosexuals, yet lily white liberals in their ivory towers tell us we need tolerance...
WHAT A JOKE!
Sorry, but not all Jamaicans are black and other countries with black and largely black populations are less violent and if homophobic, less so than Jamaica and Uganda. Race has nothing to do with it - it is all embedded in national character. Should people allow blacks to be more homophobic than whites just because of their skin colour? That assumption in itself is racist. Everyone needs to be held to the same standards.

You want tolerance for their culture? Than explain why Jamaica, specifically, is MORE violent towards gays than other countries.

IMHO, there is no such biological characteristic as race based on skin colour. Skin colour mutates quickly, and especially before humans advanced medically, people with dark skins in dark places probably got rickets and people with light skins in warm sunny places probably got skin cancer and melanoma. Yet people like you seem to have this strange idea that skin colour confers some inherent characteristics. Even diseases like sickle cell are not linked to race but to geographic distribution of genes.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#253 Jan 11, 2010
Obeah Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Jamaican patois is actually a creole so it's more than just a dialect of English because many of the words are Afrikan loanwords and the structure a bit Afrikan influenced. But that person was just typing in bad English.
That is why I mentioned that if someone wanted to write in dialect it should be consistently written. I believe there are now spelling standards and grammatical standards for most creolized languages. I know Haitian has them and I think Gullah does as well.
billie_h

Nicosia, Cyprus

#255 Jan 13, 2010
I am an expat who originate from Jamaica and although I can emphasise with some of the emotions expressed, I can tell you that not all Jamaicans are anti-gays. I remember as kids growing up in Jamaica that quite often when we were naughty we would quite often be threatened with a visit by the "black-heart man" or the "batty man" which struck equivalent terror in us equivalent to a visit by the "evil boogie man".

I really do think that general acceptance and tolerance towards gay people have changed quite bit - but with a long way to go yet to openly acknowledge that everyone is entitled to freedom of choices when it comes to sexual orientation.....

In Cyprus where I now reside, although there is more openness in acknowledging gays, in comparison to the attitude in Jamaica, there is still a certain reluctance to totally acceptance.

Thanks to niche online websites such as www.cyprusgays.com I have been fortunate to have this facility that enables me to become acquaintanted, meet with and comfortably socialise with like-minded people.
Piotr

Ireland

#257 Jan 17, 2010
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
<quoted text>
Jamaica has a VERY high murder rate compared to all other countries. It's per capita murder rate is #3 in the world behind only South Africa and Colombia. The U.S. rate places us at # 24.
Mexico, Poland, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania & Estonia all have homicide rates HIGHER than the U.S.
Any gay white person who visits Jamaica is crazy.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per...
Can You tell me when did u last time check homicide rates in Your country?Maybe instead putting some countries in one sac just becouse YOU THINK they are this or that You would actually check it!While Russia and Mexico have higher homicide rates then USA, Poland and Estonia have that rate much lower then USA and Latvia and Lithuania at the same level as USA.Should I say now that as a gay person I would be crazy going to Your dangerous country??
tpmp

South Amboy, NJ

#258 Jan 17, 2010
billie_h wrote:
I am an expat who originate from Jamaica and although I can emphasise with some of the emotions expressed, I can tell you that not all Jamaicans are anti-gays. I remember as kids growing up in Jamaica that quite often when we were naughty we would quite often be threatened with a visit by the "black-heart man" or the "batty man" which struck equivalent terror in us equivalent to a visit by the "evil boogie man".
I really do think that general acceptance and tolerance towards gay people have changed quite bit - but with a long way to go yet to openly acknowledge that everyone is entitled to freedom of choices when it comes to sexual orientation.....
In Cyprus where I now reside, although there is more openness in acknowledging gays, in comparison to the attitude in Jamaica, there is still a certain reluctance to totally acceptance.
Thanks to niche online websites such as www.cyprusgays.com I have been fortunate to have this facility that enables me to become acquaintanted, meet with and comfortably socialise with like-minded people.
jamaicas attitude toward gays borders on primate behavior! its so sad! thr other islands are not nearly as bad having traveled to quite a few of them .no i am not gay. My wife and i travel often and are quite well read. Where does their homophophobic ingrained attitudes and nbehaviors derive from? any thougts or insight on the matter? I would appreciate a meaningful dialogue. thank you .tpmp
Tom in Lazybrook

United States

#259 Jan 17, 2010
Piotr wrote:
<quoted text>
Can You tell me when did u last time check homicide rates in Your country?Maybe instead putting some countries in one sac just becouse YOU THINK they are this or that You would actually check it!While Russia and Mexico have higher homicide rates then USA, Poland and Estonia have that rate much lower then USA and Latvia and Lithuania at the same level as USA.Should I say now that as a gay person I would be crazy going to Your dangerous country??
Lithuania, while a repressive, fascist nation, that faces almost certain Section 7 sanctions for their fascist violation of free speech and free association agreements on EU accession, does not have a massive problem with murders. Lithuania has a higher incidence of street violence and assault than the USA however.

Russia, Mexico, Jamaica, Venezuela, Belize have higher murder rates than the USA.

Part of our "murder problem" in the USA is the result of anti-Gay Conservatives flooding the nation with unlicensed guns.
charlene

Nicosia, Cyprus

#260 Jan 17, 2010
tpmp wrote:
<quoted text> jamaicas attitude toward gays borders on primate behavior! its so sad! thr other islands are not nearly as bad having traveled to quite a few of them .no i am not gay. My wife and i travel often and are quite well read. Where does their homophophobic ingrained attitudes and nbehaviors derive from? any thougts or insight on the matter? I would appreciate a meaningful dialogue. thank you .tpmp
To be honest, I don't claim to understand or know the reasons why such attitude towards gays still exists in Jamaica, but I tend to lean towards agreement with Obeahman above who says....
"People who are overly homophobic are usually hiding inward homosexual inclinations. The homophobia ingrained into Jamaican culture is nothing to be proud of and I don't think any educated Jamaican or Jamaican of class would include homophobia as part of their heritage."

By the way, not all Jamaicans are black, so let's think culture, macho etc rather than skin colour please...
bbestii

Dobbs Ferry, NY

#261 Jan 19, 2010
why you say that jamaicans are the most uncivilized people.Jamaicans are smart and mostly civilized people.you dont even now what jamaicans have gone through.i know Jamaica dont want homosexuality but it is what they beleive that is a sin.i cant beleive you really go say that jamaicans are uncivilized because i am a 12 years old Jamaican and I am living in America.And if you dont agree with this then ok dont.
Tom in Lazybrook

United States

#262 Jan 19, 2010
bbestii wrote:
why you say that jamaicans are the most uncivilized people.Jamaicans are smart and mostly civilized people.you dont even now what jamaicans have gone through.i know Jamaica dont want homosexuality but it is what they beleive that is a sin.i cant beleive you really go say that jamaicans are uncivilized because i am a 12 years old Jamaican and I am living in America.And if you dont agree with this then ok dont.
Jamaicans get up in the morning and see how many Gays they can lynch. They kill every openly Gay person on the island. Every last one..

Please tell your parents to move you back to Jamaica.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#263 Jan 20, 2010
bbestii wrote:
why you say that jamaicans are the most uncivilized people.Jamaicans are smart and mostly civilized people.you dont even now what jamaicans have gone through.i know Jamaica dont want homosexuality but it is what they beleive that is a sin.i cant beleive you really go say that jamaicans are uncivilized because i am a 12 years old Jamaican and I am living in America.And if you dont agree with this then ok dont.
If you are civilized then please learn to write with proper punctuation. Or are you related to Archie the cockroach?
tpmp

South Amboy, NJ

#264 Jan 20, 2010
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
<quoted text>
Jamaicans get up in the morning and see how many Gays they can lynch. They kill every openly Gay person on the island. Every last one..
Please tell your parents to move you back to Jamaica.
You are SUBHUMAN. No wonder the complex my wife and i stayed in had barbed wire fence around it. To keep us tourists away from uneducated jungle-like attitudes and silly characters such as yourself. I hope that the worldwide human rights organization continues to shed light on this barbaric practice. Perhaps it will finally affect your tourist dollars and foreign aid that your country receives.
love

Toronto, Canada

#265 Feb 4, 2010
Im from Canada and oh how i wish my country was like jamaica in so many ways. First of all if Jamaica was'nt so against homosexuality they would have all these gays and lesbians walking around holding hands and kissing in front of small children and parading around town in thongs with big signs promoting ''we are proud to be gay!'' just like Canada and America. Atleast Jamaiaca doesnt promote such nastiness. They are also very well mannered and God fearing people, well most are atleast becasue you got your good and bad and they learn to appreciate life more because they never got spoiled as children like people in canada and america who ended up beating or cursing at there parents. Jamaican parents just dont tolerate that!. Thats why Jamaicans respect there mothers so much. Thanks someone is godfearing.
the Light

Gorham, ME

#266 Feb 4, 2010
BobP wrote:
Jamaica is not only the most homophobic country in the world, but it has the highest murder rate in the world.
The least civilized people alive.
It is the Killingest Kuntrey in the world, paranoia from drugs, the whole thing sucks bigttime, earthquake comin
the Light

Gorham, ME

#267 Feb 4, 2010
K Bar wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes! That classic BS line never get's old! Of course your deviant pride trumps everyone elses, right? Take your racist, heterophobic attitude and stick it up your worn out a#s, ya phag!!
u be a limppa dikka , me thinka
Tom in Lazybrook

United States

#268 Feb 4, 2010
tpmp wrote:
<quoted text> You are SUBHUMAN. No wonder the complex my wife and i stayed in had barbed wire fence around it. To keep us tourists away from uneducated jungle-like attitudes and silly characters such as yourself. I hope that the worldwide human rights organization continues to shed light on this barbaric practice. Perhaps it will finally affect your tourist dollars and foreign aid that your country receives.
Honey, I'm a Gay activist stating the true state of Jamaican culture. I'm all in favor of publcizing the violent and brutal environment in J'ca.

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