Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22668 Dec 5, 2013
With patriotic mouthpieces like Reality, XXX, and UdBT representing us online, it's really no wonder that our trailer park dwelling, cross burning country club fundie circlejerk is hemorrhaging worse than a hemophiliac in a razorblade factory...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22669 Dec 5, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many more cars on the roads these days. I'm not sure that your mother's mother and her horse and buggy are a good example for this modern day issue. Not that your "jump off a bridge" for health coverage comment wasn't rational. The real question is, who fits the bill in our current health care system when one of those people who "choose" to not have health insurance has a heart attack and is rushed to the emergency room? Taxpayers, that's who. Also, where are all these people who are choosing not to have health insurance? I think you are confusing them with people who can't afford health care coverage. Many seniors have to put off getting needed medication until they can afford it. I saw this first hand and was always helping out my 95 year old Grandmother. What about those who don't have family to help them? I know of families where they have to work at an underpaid job, just so they can have health insurance for their kids. Before you go on your "lazy...deserved it...free loader" trip, the person I am talking about served in the military.
As we've discussed before, there are plenty of other ways to help people with no coverage without the federal government taking control over the entire thing. Some young and healthy people see no need to purchase health insurance if they don't get it from work. Those are the people OBummer was counting on. But it's not happening. Others like my sister who works at the Cleveland Clinic has no insurance coverage either. Her healthcare is supplied directly by her employer.

What you don't understand is that if.... IF it was really the concern of DumBama or any Democrat that everybody be covered, it doesn't take a 2,800 page bill to do it. It doesn't take millions of people losing their coverage that they liked either. They could have easily set up a fund for all of those people and offered it to them if they wanted help. But forcing people to buy something they don't want or can't afford is totally un-American.

About ten years ago I had a major house fire. I suspect it was a foe of one of my tenants. My house insurance didn't go up after the rebuilding. I thought I had great insurance or something. One year from the date of the fire, they canceled my insurance on all my properties.

No other insurance company would cover me. The bank was getting uneasy about me not having coverage. My insurance broker hooked me up with the State of Ohio. They had a bare bones policy that was more than reasonable. I was on it for three years before I could get better insurance from an insurance company. Now that's the way to solve a problem like that. There's no reason we can't have the same thing when it comes to health insurance.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22670 Dec 5, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
As we've discussed before, there are plenty of other ways to help people with no coverage without the federal government taking control over the entire thing. Some young and healthy people see no need to purchase health insurance if they don't get it from work. Those are the people OBummer was counting on. But it's not happening. Others like my sister who works at the Cleveland Clinic has no insurance coverage either. Her healthcare is supplied directly by her employer.
What you don't understand is that if.... IF it was really the concern of DumBama or any Democrat that everybody be covered, it doesn't take a 2,800 page bill to do it. It doesn't take millions of people losing their coverage that they liked either. They could have easily set up a fund for all of those people and offered it to them if they wanted help. But forcing people to buy something they don't want or can't afford is totally un-American.
About ten years ago I had a major house fire. I suspect it was a foe of one of my tenants. My house insurance didn't go up after the rebuilding. I thought I had great insurance or something. One year from the date of the fire, they canceled my insurance on all my properties.
No other insurance company would cover me. The bank was getting uneasy about me not having coverage. My insurance broker hooked me up with the State of Ohio. They had a bare bones policy that was more than reasonable. I was on it for three years before I could get better insurance from an insurance company. Now that's the way to solve a problem like that. There's no reason we can't have the same thing when it comes to health insurance.
So you are saying that the Conservative Republicans that originally penned the health care reform act, including and especially the guy you tried to get as president last time, should have thought it out better and not slathered it with so much bureaucracy. Got it. Also, how could you guys so easily skip over something as serious as how you portrayed Benghazi for something so trivial as the health care reform act Mitt Romney implemented in his state? It's almost as if...
Pops

Newport, KY

#22671 Dec 5, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Pops. Most of the things I say on here are to make me and my wife laugh. I certainly don't think I am teaching you guys anything, any more than you would be teaching me. Statistically, it just doesn't happen. If anything, the media on both sides has polarized the issues to the point that we all get clumped in on one extreme side or the other. A point I often like to make fun of on this forum. I can understand your views on the government making people have insurance, but it really isn't that much different than people having to have car insurance. It makes it so we are no longer paying the bill for the large amount of people who were still being treated, yet weren't paying in any form at all.
As far as Jefferson's views on the matter, he wasn't speaking from a perspective that included millions and millions of people, like our population is now.
Your pattern & history of being a pain in the butt & how you did it showed intellect, that's why I & a couple of others started calling you for trolling. It can be fun but you carried on for 1000 pages! lol Rather persistent.
Look, I don't have affordable medical/dental insurance available to me. Too small of an employer for good rates.
My teeth are bad from years of too many sodas, I am developing arthritis etc so I truly want insurance. My issue is that I don't trust the government to run a bath without a running waste. Look at Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac, Social Security, SNAP, the Highway Fund(s), Medicare, Medicaid etc etc.
Why can't they simply legislate that one can buy insurance across state lines, dependents are covered until 26, that people can't be denied for pre-existing conditions & a few other things that are good about the ACA WITHOUT the FEDS holding the strings?
My answer is that there is no GOOD reason.
Just splitting hairs but the diff from auto ins & health ins is that the government doesn't control one & doesn't need to control the other. The success of the 1st one is proof of that.
As far as Jefferson's times & population & today's population being millions & millions, it was & IS all proportional/comparitive. No real difference for either time period.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22672 Dec 5, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Your pattern & history of being a pain in the butt & how you did it showed intellect, that's why I & a couple of others started calling you for trolling. It can be fun but you carried on for 1000 pages! lol Rather persistent.
Look, I don't have affordable medical/dental insurance available to me. Too small of an employer for good rates.
My teeth are bad from years of too many sodas, I am developing arthritis etc so I truly want insurance.
Pops, I don't have dental coverage at work either. I buy my own dental insurance and I have terrible teeth. The good plan is a little over $300.00 per year and they have a smaller plan with a higher deductible. If interested, the company is Delta Insurance. If you have bad teeth, it's worth it because you are going to pay for it anyhow in dentist bills. Dentists are an arm and a leg today.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22673 Dec 5, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying that the Conservative Republicans that originally penned the health care reform act, including and especially the guy you tried to get as president last time, should have thought it out better and not slathered it with so much bureaucracy. Got it. Also, how could you guys so easily skip over something as serious as how you portrayed Benghazi for something so trivial as the health care reform act Mitt Romney implemented in his state? It's almost as if...
After Romney got his plan in, how many people in his state lost their healthcare coverage? Zero.

A state can do whatever they want, but not the federal government. If the state of Ohio wanted to start a new program that everybody has to own a firearm provided by the state, they can do that, the federal government can't. It's none of their business what we in Ohio do provided it doesn't violate the US Constitution.

Comme Care is entirely different than what Romney did. And no Republican ever proposed Commie Care the Republican version. No Republican ever sponsored a bill anything like it.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22674 Dec 6, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
does it hut when force feed fact?
half this country pays ZERO income tax, and if it is payroll deducted, it is returned.
when you remove your head from your azz, you will see daylight for the 1st time.
Pull your brain up, your ignorance is showing.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22675 Dec 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
As we've discussed before, there are plenty of other ways to help people with no coverage without the federal government taking control over the entire thing. Some young and healthy people see no need to purchase health insurance if they don't get it from work. Those are the people OBummer was counting on. But it's not happening. Others like my sister who works at the Cleveland Clinic has no insurance coverage either. Her healthcare is supplied directly by her employer.
What you don't understand is that if.... IF it was really the concern of DumBama or any Democrat that everybody be covered, it doesn't take a 2,800 page bill to do it. It doesn't take millions of people losing their coverage that they liked either. They could have easily set up a fund for all of those people and offered it to them if they wanted help. But forcing people to buy something they don't want or can't afford is totally un-American.
About ten years ago I had a major house fire. I suspect it was a foe of one of my tenants. My house insurance didn't go up after the rebuilding. I thought I had great insurance or something. One year from the date of the fire, they canceled my insurance on all my properties.
No other insurance company would cover me. The bank was getting uneasy about me not having coverage. My insurance broker hooked me up with the State of Ohio. They had a bare bones policy that was more than reasonable. I was on it for three years before I could get better insurance from an insurance company. Now that's the way to solve a problem like that. There's no reason we can't have the same thing when it comes to health insurance.
Hey electric, gas, water bill, car insurance, sticker on my license plate and 99% of the television shows I pay for but don't watch...XXX here is calling your "capitalism" un-American.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22676 Dec 6, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Your pattern & history of being a pain in the butt & how you did it showed intellect, that's why I & a couple of others started calling you for trolling. It can be fun but you carried on for 1000 pages! lol Rather persistent.
Look, I don't have affordable medical/dental insurance available to me. Too small of an employer for good rates.
My teeth are bad from years of too many sodas, I am developing arthritis etc so I truly want insurance. My issue is that I don't trust the government to run a bath without a running waste. Look at Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac, Social Security, SNAP, the Highway Fund(s), Medicare, Medicaid etc etc.
Why can't they simply legislate that one can buy insurance across state lines, dependents are covered until 26, that people can't be denied for pre-existing conditions & a few other things that are good about the ACA WITHOUT the FEDS holding the strings?
My answer is that there is no GOOD reason.
Just splitting hairs but the diff from auto ins & health ins is that the government doesn't control one & doesn't need to control the other. The success of the 1st one is proof of that.
As far as Jefferson's times & population & today's population being millions & millions, it was & IS all proportional/comparitive. No real difference for either time period.
Just because I am laughing at you doesn't mean I don't mean what I say. It just means I find it funny.
fifth

Brighton, MI

#22677 Dec 6, 2013
good point
Pops

Newport, KY

#22679 Dec 6, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because I am laughing at you doesn't mean I don't mean what I say. It just means I find it funny.
How about a comment of substance?
Canton

Canton, OH

#22680 Dec 7, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>How about a comment of substance?
You mean like "Waaaaaah he called me names!"? We can't all be so sensitive to such substantial things as birth certificates, invisible commie and wars on Christmas. You know, the important things.
Pops

Newport, KY

#22681 Dec 7, 2013
Republican 101 wrote:
<quoted text>Quick tip for ya, don't b!tch about laziness right after you tell everyone how dependent you are upon hired help.
Makes ya seem like a self important, deluded sissyboy.
Oh wait...
Actually it makes him look like an employer/job creator.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#22682 Dec 7, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Comme Care is entirely different than what Romney did. And no Republican ever proposed Commie Care the Republican version. No Republican ever sponsored a bill anything like it.
One of the few nice things about getting old is that you can personally remember how ideas actually evolved, rather than relying on the opinions of folks like you.

"Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October,“we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”"

"In 1991, Mark Pauly and others developed a proposal for George H.W. Bush that also included an individual mandate."

"In 1992 and 1993, some Republicans in Congress, seeking an alternative to Hillarycare, used these ideas as a foundation for their own health-reform proposals. One such bill, the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993, or HEART, was introduced in the Senate by John Chafee (R., R.I.) and co-sponsored by 19 other Senate Republicans, including Christopher Bond, Bob Dole, Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Richard Lugar, Alan Simpson, and Arlen Specter. Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time. The HEART Act proposed health insurance vouchers for low-income individuals, along with an individual mandate.

Newt Gingrich, who was House Minority Leader in 1993, was also in favor of an individual mandate in those days. Gingrich continued to support a federal individual mandate as recently as May of last year.

It would seem that 1990s conservatives weren’t concerned with the constitutional implications of allowing Congress to force people to buy a private product.“I don’t remember that being raised at all,” Mark Pauly told Ezra Klein last year.“The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax…So I’ve been surprised by that argument.”"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/201...
Joeweld

Allison Park, PA

#22683 Dec 7, 2013
Never re-elect anyone.
An honest person in an elected post is fair game for those who can influence him or her to do as they are told by those who put up the $s to fill the chair.
After one term they are either taught or will use the opportunity to profit from the office on their own.
Money buys the seat and money will delegate the actions of anyone in any elected seat.
I hear a lot about ‘term limits’ and we the people can do that by just a simple vote.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22684 Dec 7, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Actually it makes him look like an employer/job creator.
Well, if you want to use that "logic", every inmate housed in prison right now is a "job creator" also. They make sure everyone working in the corrections facility has a job. An arsonist is a "job creator" also, as are drug dealers and drive by shooters.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22685 Dec 7, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
After Romney got his plan in, how many people in his state lost their healthcare coverage? Zero.
A state can do whatever they want, but not the federal government. If the state of Ohio wanted to start a new program that everybody has to own a firearm provided by the state, they can do that, the federal government can't. It's none of their business what we in Ohio do provided it doesn't violate the US Constitution.
Comme Care is entirely different than what Romney did. And no Republican ever proposed Commie Care the Republican version. No Republican ever sponsored a bill anything like it.
So all of those other "scandals" leading up to now, that were PROVEN to be lies and propaganda was all just misplaced rage and what you really meant to be so angry over is people losing health care coverage...right? Sure it is.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22686 Dec 7, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
So all of those other "scandals" leading up to now, that were PROVEN to be lies and propaganda was all just misplaced rage and what you really meant to be so angry over is people losing health care coverage...right? Sure it is.
No, what I'm angry about is the freedoms we are losing. Never in our history has an administration forced American people to purchase anything. They may have taxed and may have regulated, but nobody ever tried to have the government confiscate one-sixth of our economy.

What I'm also angry about is what Commie Care really is about: taking from the responsible and giving to the irresponsible. Earlier this year my employer already gave me a heads up that he's barely able to supply us with the crummy healthcare plan we have. Commie Care just may push him over the edge so that I will have no healthcare coverage so a french fry maker at McDonalds can.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22688 Dec 7, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the few nice things about getting old is that you can personally remember how ideas actually evolved, rather than relying on the opinions of folks like you.
"Mitt Romney, as we know, has been catching a lot of flak from conservatives for Romneycare, because Romney’s signature legislative achievement served as the model for Obamacare. But as Romney said in a debate in Las Vegas last October,“we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.”"
"In 1991, Mark Pauly and others developed a proposal for George H.W. Bush that also included an individual mandate."
"In 1992 and 1993, some Republicans in Congress, seeking an alternative to Hillarycare, used these ideas as a foundation for their own health-reform proposals. One such bill, the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993, or HEART, was introduced in the Senate by John Chafee (R., R.I.) and co-sponsored by 19 other Senate Republicans, including Christopher Bond, Bob Dole, Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Richard Lugar, Alan Simpson, and Arlen Specter. Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time. The HEART Act proposed health insurance vouchers for low-income individuals, along with an individual mandate.
Newt Gingrich, who was House Minority Leader in 1993, was also in favor of an individual mandate in those days. Gingrich continued to support a federal individual mandate as recently as May of last year.
It would seem that 1990s conservatives weren’t concerned with the constitutional implications of allowing Congress to force people to buy a private product.“I don’t remember that being raised at all,” Mark Pauly told Ezra Klein last year.“The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax…So I’ve been surprised by that argument.”"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/201...
Two things about this: first of all, this bill was reactionary to HillaryCare which nobody wanted thus turning over the leadership of Congress to the Republicans for the first time in 40 years. Secondly, the bill was never voted on.

The Republicans today are offering alternatives to Commie Care. Again, reactionary and not assertive. It's not something they want to deal with, but they have to now.

I didn't hear of repeated threats by doctors and medical personnel of retiring or not treating people under RomneyCare. I read countless articles of doctors saying they will take that route under Commie Care. I didn't read anything about medical insurance skyrocketing for many people and others in the millions losing healthcare insurance altogether after RomneyCare. I see it happening with Commie Care.

The results are not in just yet as this painful plan unfolds slowly. But in the federal registry, it was stated that they expect 80 million people to lose the coverage they had before CommieCare.
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22689 Dec 7, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, what I'm angry about is the freedoms we are losing. Never in our history has an administration forced American people to purchase anything. They may have taxed and may have regulated, but nobody ever tried to have the government confiscate one-sixth of our economy.
What I'm also angry about is what Commie Care really is about: taking from the responsible and giving to the irresponsible. Earlier this year my employer already gave me a heads up that he's barely able to supply us with the crummy healthcare plan we have. Commie Care just may push him over the edge so that I will have no healthcare coverage so a french fry maker at McDonalds can.
Nobody's forcing anything here.
If you don't paying taxes and following laws, quit yer job, quit yer b!tchin, and LEAVE the country. lol
See, you still have lots of freedom, you're just too lazy to exercise it anymore.
You whiny control freak corporate cheerleaders really are a sad, washed up, completely irrelevant bunch...
ROFLMAO

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