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Middletown firefighter Jon Harvey believes he'll have a hard time providing for his family if Senate Bill 5 becomes law.

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poprivet

Zanesville, OH

#1 Mar 2, 2011
I saw a coment the other day that made me think back to the air traffic controllers union was busted by President Reagon. If the Unions would have shut the country down for one day then the state workers wouldn't have to fight this battle today. The private sector Unions had better wake up because they are going to be next. A Union member is a Union member no matter what the job is. Unions were formed when workers were treated unfairly on wages, safety issues and disrespectful treatment as a human being just trying to earn a living. I think that our legislators could try to do away with all the pork barrel spending that they voted for might reduce our debt considerably and lets not forget public officials inflated salaries.
omega5081

Charleston, WV

#2 Mar 2, 2011
I'm next door in WV but I wish something like that would happen here.
Average Joe Educator

Wilmington, OH

#3 Mar 2, 2011
I'm not sure where Mr. Prince is getting his figures. I work for a public school system and our last raise was only 1%. I have been in education for over 20 years and I have NEVER seen a 5-7% pay raise. Those in positions such as his need to be a little more careful about the "facts" they're throwing out there. Also, the statements about giving power back to the taxpayers is ludicrous. The last time I looked all educators and other public servants were taxpayeers.
Average Joe Educator

Wilmington, OH

#4 Mar 2, 2011
Oops! The "e" key must be sticking again on my dinosaur of a computer. My last hefty pay raise wouldn't cover the cost of a new one. Maybe Kasich can buy me a new one with all the money he's going to save!
VKR

Wilmington, OH

#6 Mar 2, 2011
Just stop the welfare checks for a few months and we could get our state out of this mess. Why is it always the people who are working hard and making their own way that get hurt? I am also angry at the fact all I hear is this is for the taxpayers. I am a teacher and the last time I looked they take taxes out of my check. STOP THE FREEBIES and life in Ohio would get a whole lot better!!!!!!!!
Dave

Fairborn, OH

#7 Mar 2, 2011
Mr. Prince is correct in his figures. In the SW Ohio area the average increase from year to year is in the 5-7% range. This includes the step increase that is received for each year of service and any cost of living increase that is negotiated. When you add both of these together you get a 5-7% increase each year. If you are going to dispute facts be sure you present all relevant information. Also please do your research and you will find that the in area of the state Mr. Prince is talking about his figures are accurate.
123hzl

Columbus, OH

#8 Mar 3, 2011
The rest of us (non-union) have had to adjust and take either a pay cut, no increase, or well less then cost of living raise for the past 4 or so years. Why should unions be exempt from feeling the crunch that the rest of us have had.
bender over

Delaware, OH

#10 Mar 3, 2011
Average Joe Educator wrote:
Oops! The "e" key must be sticking again on my dinosaur of a computer. My last hefty pay raise wouldn't cover the cost of a new one. Maybe Kasich can buy me a new one with all the money he's going to save!
Teachers get a discount and dont have to pay sales tax when they buy a computer thanks to Strickland
Average Joe Educator

Logan, OH

#11 Mar 3, 2011
Dave wrote:
Mr. Prince is correct in his figures. In the SW Ohio area the average increase from year to year is in the 5-7% range. This includes the step increase that is received for each year of service and any cost of living increase that is negotiated. When you add both of these together you get a 5-7% increase each year. If you are going to dispute facts be sure you present all relevant information. Also please do your research and you will find that the in area of the state Mr. Prince is talking about his figures are accurate.
I stand corrected. I guess I live in the wrong area of the state. In our area (SE Ohio), we don't see this.
Guido

Columbus, OH

#12 Mar 3, 2011
Bad mouth corrupt unions...when these politicians have raped robbed and did nothing to keep jobs here. Im not a big pro union guy im anti currupt government. This county is in the mess they see from absolute mafia government operation. They control trade, commerce, industry, immigration, taxation, you name it
Stoptheinsanity

Saint Paris, OH

#13 Mar 3, 2011
No teacher has ever gotten a 5% raise. In fact, in most cases we may get a 1-2% raise over two or three years. The media and the powers that be are so misinformed and shamefully reporting these myths to the public. This bill strips basic constitutional rights from Americans. Over 300.000 Ohioans lost their voice today and many families will be devastated, and those in favor say it's a necessary evil??? So were unions!!!
End of Civilization

Plain City, OH

#14 Mar 3, 2011
123hzl wrote:
The rest of us (non-union) have had to adjust and take either a pay cut, no increase, or well less then cost of living raise for the past 4 or so years. Why should unions be exempt from feeling the crunch that the rest of us have had.
Union members do feel the crunch. They have taken pay freezes, furlough days and increases in health care costs already where they are not getting nowhere near the bang for their buck on coverage plus now having to pay additional deductibles. Add to this rising costs of gas, taxes (yes UNION MEMBERS DO PAY TAXES JUST LIKE YOU) and everything else that is going up. If this bill actually is finalized and goes into play, union workers stand to lose another 400 or more per month which will very well put a severe hurting on a lot of union workers and their families who again pay taxes just like you. They stand to lose their homes,etc but will you? No, your cushy pencil pushing jobs will still be so called safe but not for long before Kasick gets his hands on you too!
SO tell me how the union people have it easier than you. Really? Wahhhh Wahhhh Wahhh.. why don't you tell your almighty King Kasick to go after the real freeloaders- welfare recipients who can work but WONT work because why should they when they are welching off our tax paying money...Revamping the welfare system will ensure that those who are truly entitled to it get it such as the disabled who cannot work and those who can work will be cut off and forced to get a job just like you and me. Add to that Kasick should also mandate drug testing in order to maintain welfare benefits. This has worked well for states who have already implemented this system and it did not deeply impact those who actually work and pay taxes. Why not go after those who are really screwing you instead of the union workers who are trying to stay afloat just like you.
ryan

Mansfield, OH

#15 Mar 3, 2011
The politicians are attacking teachers, police and fire deptments to cut the states budget. What percent of the state budget goess to welfare versus the amount that goes to teachers police and fire employees.
Kaci

Columbus, OH

#16 Mar 3, 2011
Dave wrote:
Mr. Prince is correct in his figures. In the SW Ohio area the average increase from year to year is in the 5-7% range. This includes the step increase that is received for each year of service and any cost of living increase that is negotiated. When you add both of these together you get a 5-7% increase each year. If you are going to dispute facts be sure you present all relevant information. Also please do your research and you will find that the in area of the state Mr. Prince is talking about his figures are accurate.
Dave...State of Ohio employees have not received the annual step increase or the annual cost of living increase in 2 years now. On top of that they had to give the State 2 weeks pay to help "balance" the budget under Strickland.
Aunt Bea

Minford, OH

#17 Mar 3, 2011
Dave wrote:
Mr. Prince is correct in his figures. In the SW Ohio area the average increase from year to year is in the 5-7% range. This includes the step increase that is received for each year of service and any cost of living increase that is negotiated. When you add both of these together you get a 5-7% increase each year. If you are going to dispute facts be sure you present all relevant information. Also please do your research and you will find that the in area of the state Mr. Prince is talking about his figures are accurate.
That may be in SW Ohio, but you are only speaking of your own area. If you check the figures you will find different. It is sad because we are entrusting our childrens' education to these people and we deserve the brightest and best available. They also deserve to be paid for the education that they had to pay for to do their job.
Mary

Galloway, OH

#18 Mar 3, 2011
The middle class will survive nicely if this bill goes into effect. Many many people work in the private sector and have never, ever known the privileges the public sector have received, through THEIR tax dollars may I add, and have lived to tell about it.
REALLY

Columbus, OH

#19 Mar 3, 2011
Mary wrote:
The middle class will survive nicely if this bill goes into effect. Many many people work in the private sector and have never, ever known the privileges the public sector have received, through THEIR tax dollars may I add, and have lived to tell about it.
So, what's you point??
tomuchtaxz

United States

#20 Mar 3, 2011
As a business owner when the economy went south so did my paycheck.there was no union behind me looking out for me...public sector workers are no better than the private sector workers....LET THE AXE FALL!!!
Dan

Galloway, OH

#21 Mar 3, 2011
tomuchtaxz wrote:
As a business owner when the economy went south so did my paycheck.there was no union behind me looking out for me...public sector workers are no better than the private sector workers....LET THE AXE FALL!!!
oh and the ax will fall...
remember the POINT of this is to give local communities flexibility
it really saves almost nothing directly (they claim about 200million is savings from the state employees but that's based on a concept of the employees not doing what they had done (freeze their pay))
Point is the REST (oh 8 billion or so) will have to come out of the money the state gives to education (leading to new local taxes) and towns/cities/counties (you guessed it... leading to less services and more taxes!)
In the end it's not the "state workers" that were hurt... you still need them... still have to pay them...
it's going to be US... the tax payers who will get less and pay more
this just gave Kasich an excuse for not raising taxes or finding any other way of generating revenue or cutting cost
he'll pass it on to your local community and say he gave you "flexibility"
Kay Schweizer

Antwerp, OH

#22 Mar 3, 2011
Where is this 5-7% raise coming from? We got 1.6% and an increase in insurance that wiped out my raise!

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