Where Did the Republicans Go?
Sam I Am

Mount Gilead, OH

#123 Oct 5, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Perfect! When one has nothing of substance to say, one makes mean personal, baseless attacks.
One should not stoop so low. It proves considerable immaturity.
. Is that you, MS Jesse? Ha ha
Pops

Newport, KY

#124 Oct 5, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
<quoted text>. Is that you, MS Jesse? Ha ha
See what I mean? Probably not.
Pops

Newport, KY

#125 Oct 5, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>
That's Lois "5th Amendment" Lerner you illiterate, uninformed idiot.
Very Funny! And fits the thread!
Pops

Newport, KY

#126 Oct 5, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>
They're actually trying to make the argument that because Red States refused to implement the Medicare expansion and so now many poor are not eligable for the ACA and it's benefits in thise states, that is somehow Democrats fault!
Ugh, it makes the head spin.
Your poor Red States would do well to vote in smarter Governors!!!
This IS a REPUBLIC you know. NOT a democracy.
Pops

Newport, KY

#127 Oct 5, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>
AND, as if just to prove your desire for ignorance, you were given this information 2 posts before yours!
"Then why did Republicans demand a Budget from the Senate when they didn't get one? They were right to demand it.
And you're wrong.
Senate puts one out
House puts one out
BOTH go to Committee to compromise and generate the final Budget, THAT'S how it's supposed to work.
The Senate put out it's version SIX months ago, House refuses to go to Committee.
Also, the Budget has ZERO connection to the ACA, zero, so, the House is holding the country hostage on a budgetary CR to extort a change in a law that is not part of said budget. "
Righties love to repeat the same ignorant stances over and over and over again. It's a noise machine thing, they think if they say it enough times it becomes true or real, it doesn't, it's called Rabbit hole discussions that never ever get into your brain. So here it is again...
"Then why did Republicans demand a Budget from the Senate when they didn't get one? They were right to demand it.
And you're wrong.
Senate puts one out
House puts one out
BOTH go to Committee to compromise and generate the final Budget, THAT'S how it's supposed to work.
The Senate put out it's version SIX months ago, House refuses to go to Committee.
Also, the Budget has ZERO connection to the ACA, zero, so, the House is holding the country hostage on a budgetary CR to extort a change in a law that is not part of said budget.
And the Repubs have made FOUR proposals that include paying for museums, monuments, border control, having Affordable Health Care apply to OUR representatives, delaying the Affordable Health care for 1 year,(NOT stopping it)paying the military & more & REID refuses to allow a senatorial vote. ALL & any of which proposals that Obama says he will veto.
Donald Trump & Sean Hannity among others have offered to cover the cost of White House tours since the sequestation, out of their own pockets & have been denied.
So who is shutting down the 'government'?
Money has been spent on closing down certain monuments & parks that is actually MORE money than would be spent to keep them open OR to simply leave them alone. Who ordered that? Answer... NOBAMA & his minions. So WHO is holding the country hostage?
Lastly, the ACA IS part of the budget expenses so it has a DIRECT relation to the budget. WOW!
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#128 Oct 7, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG!! They were ALL basically CR's. Do your research.
NEXT; IF the Dems had included the Repubicans in the original discussions about the Affordable Health Care instead of "voting for it to see what is in it", there would NOT be the issues that have reared the ugly heads that you see now. SO, the Dems actually started ALL of this current conflict by NOT being inclusive & opens to the thoughts/opinions of others to begin with.
EVERYTHING that 'they' are asking is 'DIRECTLY' related to the budget. What a minimal thinker you are.
Every year presents a budget that many disagree with which ends in different levels of compromise & this one follows that long historical theme.
In my opinion, the only thing being held hostage is your intellect. PLEASE open your mind! Look at other sides of the issue.
CLOSE Federal Memorials? The WWII memorial was PRIVATELY funded. IT had NO guards or other security B4 & NOW 7 security gaurds are there to stop 90 year old visitors!
What a jackass decision!!!!
"NEXT; IF the Dems had included the Repubicans in the original discussions about the Affordable Health Care instead of "voting for it to see what is in it", there would NOT be the issues that have reared the ugly heads that you see now. SO, the Dems actually started ALL of this current conflict by NOT being inclusive & opens to the thoughts/opinions of others to begin with."

yeah right, your cerebral cortex is blank numbnuts, EVERYONE remembers the year and a half of Tea Baggers running around the country crying how the world was coming to an end, there are all sorts of concessions in that LAW, which BTW, IS A LAW NOW and we're all very sorry you children don't understand how things work but, you don't get to hold us all hostages to overturn a LAW you don't like!

Give us candy or the country gets it!!!!!!
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#129 Oct 7, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>And the Repubs have made FOUR proposals that include paying for museums, monuments, border control, having Affordable Health Care apply to OUR representatives, delaying the Affordable Health care for 1 year,(NOT stopping it)paying the military & more & REID refuses to allow a senatorial vote. ALL & any of which proposals that Obama says he will veto.
Donald Trump & Sean Hannity among others have offered to cover the cost of White House tours since the sequestation, out of their own pockets & have been denied.
So who is shutting down the 'government'?
Money has been spent on closing down certain monuments & parks that is actually MORE money than would be spent to keep them open OR to simply leave them alone. Who ordered that? Answer... NOBAMA & his minions. So WHO is holding the country hostage?
Lastly, the ACA IS part of the budget expenses so it has a DIRECT relation to the budget. WOW!
Pops, the number of ransom notes is not relevant, it's far to late to try and claim the willing to negotiate tactics, far far far too late, the Country is shut down, and Republicans waited from July to October just so they could try this hostage taking gambit.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fitchburg-ma/...

So, you should give up trying to tell us this is somehow Obama's fault!!!!!!!!! This is your childish games playing.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#130 Oct 7, 2013
For almost 5 years, President Obama and Congressional Democrats have begged Republican's to work together, in a bi-partisan manner...and now, after shutting down our government and endangering our economy....Boehner's best soundbite is that the President won't negotiate...geez.....Republica n's negotiate, REALLY???....instead teaparty House republican's became the reason, all needed legislation was blocked....all to promote petty politics, over the good of the people and country.....What the President represents to them, certainly has something to do with it.....
Pops

Newport, KY

#131 Oct 7, 2013
Please do not think of me as picking or complaining but instead as explaining.
IF the Dems had included the Repubs in the formulation of the AHC act, there would NOT be the animosity/divisions that we see today.
The AHC would not likely be what it is today BUT it would be bi-partisan! NOT MORE Bi-partisan today since it wasn't bi-partisan to begin with & that IS the problem today.
IF this original issue had been more inclusive to begin with, there would NOT be such a division that would be holding things up today.
So as a registered Independent for 30+ yrs, I believe that the Dems having an attitude of, "vote for it to find out what's in it" was a very very poor attitude that is now rearing it's very ugly head.
Pops

Newport, KY

#132 Oct 7, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
For almost 5 years, President Obama and Congressional Democrats have begged Republican's to work together, in a bi-partisan manner...and now, after shutting down our government and endangering our economy....Boehner's best soundbite is that the President won't negotiate...geez.....Republica n's negotiate, REALLY???....instead teaparty House republican's became the reason, all needed legislation was blocked....all to promote petty politics, over the good of the people and country.....What the President represents to them, certainly has something to do with it.....
Excuse me!! They haven't 'begged' anyone to work 'together'.
In FACT, the Dems with Obama in the lead, have been primarily, "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" type of attitude.
Example: Obama has delayed or changed 19 points of the AHCA. AGAINST the law!!
HE can't legally do that.Like many have said...AHCA IS LAW. Which means that Obama can NOT unilaterally waive any part of the law by personal Decree which HE has done!
But what is to stop him or hold him accountable with ALL of the other willful laws he has violated.
The sheeple Dems have joined this CRIMINAL violation & it seems that the Repubs have too. Obama could be impeached. He has Violated the very Act that bears his name, that HE campaigned on, the ONLY campaign promise that he has kept is a devisive crock.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#133 Oct 7, 2013
DON'T MAKE UP YOUR OWN HISTORY....i already have Fox for that.....
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#134 Oct 8, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Excuse me!! They haven't 'begged' anyone to work 'together'.
In FACT, the Dems with Obama in the lead, have been primarily, "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" type of attitude.
Example: Obama has delayed or changed 19 points of the AHCA. AGAINST the law!!
HE can't legally do that.Like many have said...AHCA IS LAW. Which means that Obama can NOT unilaterally waive any part of the law by personal Decree which HE has done!
But what is to stop him or hold him accountable with ALL of the other willful laws he has violated.
The sheeple Dems have joined this CRIMINAL violation & it seems that the Repubs have too. Obama could be impeached. He has Violated the very Act that bears his name, that HE campaigned on, the ONLY campaign promise that he has kept is a devisive crock.
No, Obama has made 19 changes toi the ACA is NOT reality, it's a fox news talking point straight up Pops, c'mon really?

Those changes came about as implementation was being planned and done, most changes went through legislature. STOP parroting this fabricated BS, maybe you don't know this and just believe everything they tell you, you should do the research!

"Obama did not make those changes, they were not done by fiat, changes to laws has happened before, guess who's term it happened under!

"It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation.

We’ve been here before

Graves’ comments suggest that so many changes to the health care law means it's fundamentally flawed. Actually, major pieces of legislation rarely remain the same as the day the president signs them into law.

The Medicare prescription drug benefit, passed under President George W. Bush, was changed several times after its initial passage.

Both that law and the recent health care law lay a government program on top of a complex private market system, said Ted Marmor, a professor of health policy at Yale University.

"Patches on a patchwork mean making a coherent quilt very difficult," Marmor said.

Even though the country had about two years to get ready for the Medicare drug program, about the same as with Obamacare, some pieces were not in place when the program launched, said Jack Hoadley, a research professor at the Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University.
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#135 Oct 8, 2013
""States were worried that bunches of people would show up on Jan. 1, 2005, and not be able to get their prescription drugs," Hoadley said. "So some of them started picking up the tab."

Later, Hoadley said, the Bush administration pulled money from another fund to reimburse the states.

The law required insurance plans to set up systems to keep an eye on people who took many different medications. The goal was to make sure the drugs were compatible. The purpose was sensible but as of 2005, the technology wasn’t ready.

"Something very important has happened since the president did win the election," Graves said on ABC’s This Week. "He himself has amended, delayed, or repealed 19 components of his very own law. So if it's so good for America, then why he is delaying it for his friends in big business?"

We wondered if in fact, Obama has made that many changes in the law.

Graves’ office pointed us to a letter from the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan think tank for Congress. The Congressional Research Service review listed 19 times the Affordable Care Act changed since it was passed in 2010. The report counted 14 public laws and five administrative actions that made a variety of modifications to the law.

For the record, we note that a dozen of those adjustments took place before the 2012 election, and not after as Graves said. The timing seems less important than the substance of what was done.

Changes to the Affordable Care Act

Some items on the list qualify as significant in the eyes of the health policy experts we contacted. One of the country’s leading authorities on health care law, Timothy Jost at the Washington and Lee School of Law, pointed to three:

A one-year delay in requiring firms with over 50 workers to provide insurance

Scrapping a long-term care insurance program (for nursing home care, for example) called the CLASS Act

Lifting the requirement on businesses to file a form called a 1099 for a variety of business expenses

The administration acted on its own to delay the employer mandate, explaining that the systems were not in place to implement it. The other two changes came through votes in Congress.

As for the business reporting rule, "businesses said this was a huge burden and Congress responded," Jost said. "There was strong bipartisan support, and you could find the votes to make those sorts of changes

There were 5 committee's who created the ACA, 3 in the house and 2 in the Senate, there was bipartisan support for all that went into it!

Quit the fox snews lying pops and get real.
Kyboy

Wyandotte, MI

#136 Oct 8, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
""States were worried that bunches of people would show up on Jan. 1, 2005, and not be able to get their prescription drugs," Hoadley said. "So some of them started picking up the tab."

Later, Hoadley said, the Bush administration pulled money from another fund to reimburse the states.

The law required insurance plans to set up systems to keep an eye on people who took many different medications. The goal was to make sure the drugs were compatible. The purpose was sensible but as of 2005, the technology wasnÂ’t ready.

"Something very important has happened since the president did win the election," Graves said on ABCÂ’s This Week. "He himself has amended, delayed, or repealed 19 components of his very own law. So if it's so good for America, then why he is delaying it for his friends in big business?"

We wondered if in fact, Obama has made that many changes in the law.

GravesÂ’ office pointed us to a letter from the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan think tank for Congress. The Congressional Research Service review listed 19 times the Affordable Care Act changed since it was passed in 2010. The report counted 14 public laws and five administrative actions that made a variety of modifications to the law.

For the record, we note that a dozen of those adjustments took place before the 2012 election, and not after as Graves said. The timing seems less important than the substance of what was done.

Changes to the Affordable Care Act

Some items on the list qualify as significant in the eyes of the health policy experts we contacted. One of the countryÂ’s leading authorities on health care law, Timothy Jost at the Washington and Lee School of Law, pointed to three:

A one-year delay in requiring firms with over 50 workers to provide insurance

Scrapping a long-term care insurance program (for nursing home care, for example) called the CLASS Act

Lifting the requirement on businesses to file a form called a 1099 for a variety of business expenses

The administration acted on its own to delay the employer mandate, explaining that the systems were not in place to implement it. The other two changes came through votes in Congress.

As for the business reporting rule, "businesses said this was a huge burden and Congress responded," Jost said. "There was strong bipartisan support, and you could find the votes to make those sorts of changes

There were 5 committee's who created the ACA, 3 in the house and 2 in the Senate, there was bipartisan support for all that went into it!

Quit the fox snews lying pops and get real.
Bipartisan support. You been smoking with obama?
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#137 Oct 9, 2013
Kyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Bipartisan support. You been smoking with obama?
I think MI, you should be addressing Michelle BAchmann and just staying away from the East Coast, she's a trainwreck and embarrassing all 300 million of us!!!!!

What exaclty do you have to be smoking to vote for that idiot!!
Kyboy

Belleville, MI

#138 Oct 9, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>I think MI, you should be addressing Michelle BAchmann and just staying away from the East Coast, she's a trainwreck and embarrassing all 300 million of us!!!!!

What exaclty do you have to be smoking to vote for that idiot!!
I live in KY. Voted for Massie and Rand.
Don't like Mitch much. We need to replace him. Another tea party person would be good to have.
Pops

Newport, KY

#139 Oct 9, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>
I think MI, you should be addressing Michelle BAchmann and just staying away from the East Coast, she's a trainwreck and embarrassing all 300 million of us!!!!!
What exaclty do you have to be smoking to vote for that idiot!!
Michelle has said that she is retiring so what is your point? IF you have one.
OH! I know, obfuscate & ignore any initial question or valid statement.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#140 Oct 10, 2013
Kyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
I live in KY. Voted for Massie and Rand.
Don't like Mitch much. We need to replace him. Another tea party person would be good to have.
Should be plenty of the teabaggers available, and real soon.....
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#141 Oct 10, 2013
Kyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
I live in KY. Voted for Massie and Rand.
Don't like Mitch much. We need to replace him. Another tea party person would be good to have.
No, I think KY boy means something else and it's not geographical!!

And Pops, you're done now, as soon as you start using my words and phrasing cause you can't make your own arguments, you're done and tossed into the Troll bucket, where you'll be ignored cause you simply cannot participate in a discussion without bogus troll tactics.
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#142 Oct 10, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>This IS a REPUBLIC you know. NOT a democracy.
yes yes we all know you teabaggers think you're on to something, what you're onto is refusal to acceopt you lost the Civil War, sorry, you don't get to re-fight it, you won't get your Confederacy back and you won't be taking us all back the the days of tri-corner hats, felt tip pens, scrolls and horse and buggy!!

The 20th Century happened, and we're NOT GOING BACK for you appalachian idiots!

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