Bill would allow guns in restaurants

Mar 17, 2010 Read more: Coshocton Tribune 36

A bill introduced in the Ohio Senate would permit people licensed to carry concealed handguns to take the weapons into restaurants that serve alcohol.

Read more
First Prev
of 2
Next Last
Think it through

Columbus, OH

#22 Mar 19, 2010
nice wrote:
We finally ban smoking (a wonderful thing to go to a bowling alley without being smoothered by smoke!) and now we allow guns in restaurants. Way to go ohio...
Why are guns needed in public places? This isn't the wild west.
Smoking, of course, is not the issue here. However, as some contend, if you don't want to be bothered by smoke, do not go to bowling alleys that allow smoking. Like other privately owned, publicly frequented establishments, I am sure that the concept of "supply & demand" will provide for smoke free bowling alleys.
If no crimes happened in public, or in public places, there would be no need for people to be concerned for their safety in public places.
Unfortunately, the facts are the facts: Crimes - often violent - occur in public places, often in daylight, in well attended venues and with innocent by-standers present. Certainly not always, but frequently.
Law-abiding individuals do not handle any weapon when "drunk," intoxicated or in any other way inappropriately.
The only "consequences" to someone being allowed to LEGALLY carry a weapon in a resturant (or any where else, for that matter) is that criminals can be prevented from injuring other people - or at least prevented from injuring more people.
Regardless of CCW permits, if someone uses a weapon illegally - it is just that - illegal. They go to jail.
If you check the facts (FBI and other law enforcement information), you will learn that criminals do not worry about signs prohibiting guns, about laws regarding gun purchases nor do they care about all the discussions regarding the issue.
People who wish to use weapons inappropriately and illegally will not be stopped - or even slowed down - by laws preventing weapon usage, registration or carrying guidelines.
That is why we call them criminals.
I am glad you have a place to bowl "smoke free." I am not sure that I agree that "smoke free" should be dictated by law (versus the bowling alley's owner's right to chose), I am genuinely glad that you have a place to enjoy yourself without the constraints of needless smoke hoovering in the air you breath.
Perhaps you will also be able to bowl knowing that there are law-abiding citizens, who do not drink (I do not drink alcohol, in case you were wondering) who could provide you assistance and protection if in the unfortunate situation you were confronted by a non-law-abiding individual threatening you, or those around you, harm.
Whether the motive is robery, domestic issues, gang-related, drug induced behavior - it doesn't matter. The fact is that crime happens everywhere, at all times of day and night and in all areas of the community.
Criminals will not even notice a sign that says "No Guns." Law-abiding citizens will - and they will not break the law. That means that everywhere a "No Guns" sign is posted, the only people with guns in the establishment are possibly Police (or guards) and - of course, criminals.
I hope you give this issue some thought. I am not trying to put you down in any manner. It is obvious you are a concerned citizen who wants what is best for the community.
I am simply suggesting that there may be more aspects to the issue for you to think about than perhaps the ones you have considered so far.
Think it through

Columbus, OH

#23 Mar 19, 2010
Lerxst wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the wild west was safer than today's world. Don't believe the myths you were fed as a child.
To the amazement of many, the "Wild West" was far safer than the current average town or city of similar size today.
Though I can understand why people use the expression "the wild west" as synonymous with "rampant, uncontrolled violence," it simply isn't true. The movies and the myths are not factual - they are fiction.
There is no evidence of an increase in the number of law-abiding citizens having or carrying guns to lead to an increase in violence.
There is an abundance of evidence that suggests - even proves - the opposite.
Hopefully we can all learn from the facts. This is a serious issue and should be discussed in an intelligent, factualual manner.
I completely support the right of people to have different opinions on the issue. That's good for discussion. But let's all do what we can to deal with this issue in a factual and logical manner.
The life that is saved may be your own. Or someone you love.
Think it through

Columbus, OH

#24 Mar 19, 2010
MrsYoung wrote:
Guns in alcohol serving places, ok. Guns and people imbibing the alcohol, not ok. There is a difference that people are not communicating. I think it is fine, but people know that with a ccw you aren't allowed to drink alcohol. So what if they are in an establishment as long as they are not breaking the rules?
I have to say, it sounds to me like you are really "thinking it through."
Your comment is a very welcome addition to this issue.!
Unbelievable

Santa Clara, CA

#25 Mar 25, 2010
This what Shannon Jones is spending her time doing? Are you kidding me? Hey Shannon - what have you done to create jobs?, what are you doing to help health care?
Booze and loaded guns - this is what you think is a priority? You think mixing alcohol and guns is a good idea?
C'mon Shannon. If you can't explain yourself, then I can't give you my vote.
We need people who know how to prioritize and fix real problems.
Local Dude

Walbridge, OH

#26 Mar 30, 2010
Unbelievable wrote:
This what Shannon Jones is spending her time doing? Are you kidding me? Hey Shannon - what have you done to create jobs?, what are you doing to help health care?
Booze and loaded guns - this is what you think is a priority? You think mixing alcohol and guns is a good idea?
C'mon Shannon. If you can't explain yourself, then I can't give you my vote.
We need people who know how to prioritize and fix real problems.
I didn't know Norwegians were allowed to vote in US elections?
hahayou

Bedford, OH

#27 Mar 30, 2010
guns yes, knives no....i don't get it. i'm not even going to try
nut job

Englewood, OH

#28 Apr 1, 2010
Lerxst wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, it was. It has been documented that on a comparative basis the so called "wild West" days were safer than today.
Here's an example. In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870. Measured by murder rate, in 2007 New York was 6 times; DC, 31 times; Newark, 37 times and Baltimore, a staggering 45 times more wild than the Wild Wild West. This isn't my opinion. These are hard numbers. The numbers don't lie.
The numbers are higher today because the population is higher in these places.

Crime stats overall have gone down in the past 20 years.
jammer

Newark, OH

#29 Apr 3, 2010
No Mercy wrote:
Im all for the ccw's and having guns at home plus the Castle Doctrine signed by Ted Strickland back in sept 08 but this is stupid and highly highly dangerous, drunk dudes in a restaurants with loaded guns? cmon now thats F'ed up, I am 99% pro gun but thats one thing I am not for. God-n-Guns What the FAWK! dude, seriously? Jezus H Chryst man.
you better not drink there if you carry. read whole bill.
jammer

Newark, OH

#30 Apr 3, 2010
nice wrote:
We finally ban smoking (a wonderful thing to go to a bowling alley without being smoothered by smoke!) and now we allow guns in restaurants. Way to go ohio...
Why are guns needed in public places? This isn't the wild west.
no it is not. but the first time i or someone saves your a.., you will understand.
jammer

Newark, OH

#31 Apr 3, 2010
Unbelievable wrote:
This what Shannon Jones is spending her time doing? Are you kidding me? Hey Shannon - what have you done to create jobs?, what are you doing to help health care?
Booze and loaded guns - this is what you think is a priority? You think mixing alcohol and guns is a good idea?
C'mon Shannon. If you can't explain yourself, then I can't give you my vote.
We need people who know how to prioritize and fix real problems.
responsible people will not drink while carrying.but your going to have those ones restaurant, or not will. I dont get it anyway, i carry everywhere i go, it is concealed you dont even know i have it.but first time i safe someone, it will be ok. and i wont feel bad about pulling it, permitted or not.
Eardoc

Walbridge, OH

#32 Apr 4, 2010
jammer wrote:
<quoted text>responsible people will not drink while carrying.but your going to have those ones restaurant, or not will. I dont get it anyway, i carry everywhere i go, it is concealed you dont even know i have it.but first time i safe someone, it will be ok. and i wont feel bad about pulling it, permitted or not.
Jammer I agree with you. In the 2+ years I've carried concealed on a daily basis only one person who didn't know me knew I had a hand gun on my person.

It was when I first started carrying and had a cheap uncle mike's holster and my .380 didn't fit great in it. It was summer and I was at Lowe's in Parkersburg, WV. I bent down to look at something on a bottom shelf and the worker walking by looked at me and said "that's a nice sidearm you have there, you shoot a lot?". I looked at him dumbfounded and he then he said "your shirt is tucked in behind your gun".

He didn't freak out, people in the store probably noticed, but no one said anything. That has been the only time anyone has ever known I was carrying. Now I have a thicker belt and better holsters for my CCW guns and it helps a lot. Even in the middle of summer with an underarmour t-shirt and shorts on you can't tell I have a .380 on.
Hank G

Columbus, OH

#33 Apr 5, 2010
No Mercy wrote:
Im all for the ccw's and having guns at home plus the Castle Doctrine signed by Ted Strickland back in sept 08 but this is stupid and highly highly dangerous, drunk dudes in a restaurants with loaded guns? cmon now thats F'ed up, I am 99% pro gun but thats one thing I am not for. God-n-Guns What the FAWK! dude, seriously? Jezus H Chryst man.
Get a grip pal!. A responsible gun owner and a holder of a CHL is not going to be drinking while carrying a weapon, let alone being drunk. You should also be aware that the comsumption of alcohol while carrying a weapon constitutes a felony, and grounds for revocation of the CHL, and no one is going to risk that over a glass of wine. You can calm down and have another cup of tea.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#34 Apr 5, 2010
When are people going to learn that criminals don't care about laws, especially gun laws. If they cared about laws and didn't break them they wouldn't be criminals now would they?

I don't understand the issue here.

Ohio law says one cannot carry or operate a fire arm while under the influence. Doing so is a felony offense.

One does not drink every time they go into a restaurant establishment with a liquor permit.

So we already have a law in place to prevent law-abiding citizens from drinking while being armed. Problem solved. Want to go to Ruby Tuesday's while carrying you CCW then don't drink. It's as simple as that.

We don't even need to bring up the fact that the majority of other states with CCW permits allow CCW permit holders to carry into restaurants that serve alcohol as long as they do not consume alcohol. That logic would just confuse people who need a plain black/white explanation of the law.

Alcohol consumption + carrying a gun = jail time
Carrying a gun + sober = legal

Carrying a gun + sober + sitting in Applebee's = illegal

What has changed in this 2nd equation? Simply stepping foot in an establishment that serves alcohol does not make the CCW person consume alcohol. If we want to go by this logic then anytime someone goes to a restaurant with a liquor license they can't drive a car home whether they drink or not.
Hank G

Columbus, OH

#35 Apr 5, 2010
The un-informed are having the same knee-jerk reaction that they were having when the "concealed carry law" was passed. The fear was that the streets would turn into an all out battle zone because people were carrying weapons, and that has not happened. The issue about carrying in restaurants will be the same way. The individuals causing the violence with fiearms now are not the citizens with CHL's, but the ones who have no regard for any laws, in general. These are the poeple that those of us who hold a CHL have armed ourselves to protect our families, and maybe even you, from. You must remind yourself that there is a huge difference between a responsible gun owner who has gone through the process to obtain a CHL, and the common street thug who who has no regard for his well being or yours.
The Real Truth

Middletown, OH

#36 Apr 19, 2010
Seems pretty simple to me. Everyone screaming and carrying on about the gun owner's rights. However, the restaurant is private property. Should they have the "right" to say yeah or nay?

It IS their property after all....

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#37 Apr 19, 2010
The Real Truth wrote:
Seems pretty simple to me. Everyone screaming and carrying on about the gun owner's rights. However, the restaurant is private property. Should they have the "right" to say yeah or nay?
It IS their property after all....
They already have the "right" to say yes or no on whether CCW permit holders can carry a firearm into their establishment. They must clearly post the proper signage to let CCW users know they are not permitted to carry into the business. However, with rights come responsibilities. If an owner decides to disarm patrons/workers and a violent crime occurs they are liable for the consequences. You best believe a disarmed CCW permit holder who is attacked in a place of business that disarmed them will file suit! I know I would!

Also isn't it funny that private property owners can determine if CCW permit holders can carry concealed (so no one knows you are armed!) or not in their place of business, but they can't decide whether or not to allow smoking? Funny isn't it?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Mason Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Cincinnati Reds Message Board (Aug '11) 6 hr Stl fan 2
News The 25 Most Dangerous Cities in the U.S. Are Mo... (Nov '10) 8 hr TOASTER 19,829
News Bobcats, even cougars, could be on prowl in Ohi... (Feb '08) 16 hr jordan 75
mcginnis 22 hr just info 1
Why are female nurses so fat and stupid (Jun '12) Thu Lol 14
Motorcycle club Apr 15 Lewis 3
Sharonville Fire Chief Ralph Hammond's.......... Apr 14 jim 8
More from around the web

Mason People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]