Bill would allow guns in restaurants

Mar 17, 2010 Full story: Coshocton Tribune 36

A bill introduced in the Ohio Senate would permit people licensed to carry concealed handguns to take the weapons into restaurants that serve alcohol.

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God-n-Guns

Dallas, TX

#1 Mar 17, 2010
Yahoo! It's a start :-)
No Mercy

Dublin, OH

#2 Mar 18, 2010
Im all for the ccw's and having guns at home plus the Castle Doctrine signed by Ted Strickland back in sept 08 but this is stupid and highly highly dangerous, drunk dudes in a restaurants with loaded guns? cmon now thats F'ed up, I am 99% pro gun but thats one thing I am not for. God-n-Guns What the FAWK! dude, seriously? Jezus H Chryst man.
God-n-Guns

Dallas, TX

#3 Mar 18, 2010
The background check I had done before I was issued by CCW would have caught if I had ever been in trouble for public violence. Add a psych profile, and you could be pretty certain that only responsible, law-abiding, and competent folks could have the permit in the first place.

I got my CCW when I was still in college, and had to leave my guns at home in my dad's safe. When places like malls, restaurants and campuses are well-known to prohibit even lawful owners/permit holders from carrying a gun, they become barrels of defenseless fish. The bad guys have guns anyway--it isn't like you're patted down before you go into a place that prohibits them. Why not give a mentally stable, law-abiding, competent citizen the chance to defend HERself and you? How much of Dawson College and VA Tech's tragedy could have been prevented by a student or prof carrying a gun and permit?
nice

Englewood, OH

#4 Mar 18, 2010
We finally ban smoking (a wonderful thing to go to a bowling alley without being smoothered by smoke!) and now we allow guns in restaurants. Way to go ohio...

Why are guns needed in public places? This isn't the wild west.
Unbelievable

Monroe, LA

#5 Mar 18, 2010
What happened to all of the comments that were posted last night?? I saw 54 around 8:30 p.m.!!!
Oh, yes, Dispatch changed ONE word in the story and therefore it's a "new story" and all the comments "dispatchappear"!!!
God-n-Guns

Dallas, TX

#6 Mar 18, 2010
Because the only people these bans stop are the ones who OBEY the law! The second amendment not only guarantees the right to bear arms, but also to have a well-regulated militia. The militia were not professional soldiers. They were teachers, farmers, shopkeepers, doctors and pastors who chose to become proficient at defending their lives and families and friends. Like I have chosen to do. So yes--regulate the militia, keep the unstable or criminal citizens from carrying a firearm, but let the modern militia function.
Lerxst

Paris, KY

#8 Mar 18, 2010
nice wrote:
Why are guns needed in public places? This isn't the wild west.
Actually, the wild west was safer than today's world. Don't believe the myths you were fed as a child.
Lerxst

Paris, KY

#9 Mar 18, 2010
No Mercy wrote:
but this is stupid and highly highly dangerous, drunk dudes in a restaurants with loaded guns?
What evidence do you have to back this up?
MrsYoung

Athens, OH

#10 Mar 18, 2010
Guns in alcohol serving places, ok. Guns and people imbibing the alcohol, not ok. There is a difference that people are not communicating. I think it is fine, but people know that with a ccw you aren't allowed to drink alcohol. So what if they are in an establishment as long as they are not breaking the rules?
Zoe

Athens, OH

#11 Mar 18, 2010
This is good!!!!!
The Real P Citizen

Commercial Point, OH

#12 Mar 18, 2010
Zoe wrote:
This is good!!!!!
No Zoe it's bad. It's another Pandora's box to be opened.
Trust me.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#13 Mar 18, 2010
with all the problems we, the people face, the last thing we need is guns in restaurants....what is going on...has this country gone Mad?
The Real P Citizen

Commercial Point, OH

#14 Mar 18, 2010
John Parise wrote:
with all the problems we, the people face, the last thing we need is guns in restaurants....what is going on...has this country gone Mad?
No John, it's falling.
Eardoc

Walbridge, OH

#15 Mar 18, 2010
No Mercy wrote:
Im all for the ccw's and having guns at home plus the Castle Doctrine signed by Ted Strickland back in sept 08 but this is stupid and highly highly dangerous, drunk dudes in a restaurants with loaded guns? cmon now thats F'ed up, I am 99% pro gun but thats one thing I am not for. God-n-Guns What the FAWK! dude, seriously? Jezus H Chryst man.
Ok being in a restaurant carrying my pistol doesn't automatically make me turn into a drunken gun slinging idiot. The law is very concise on this. You are not allowed to carry your weapon if you've consumed alcohol. So if you are going into a restaurant that serves alcohol and you aren't consuming (hell most of the time people aren't even near the alcohol) and not sitting in the bar area, then what is the problem?

I'm law-abiding and stable enough to carry a firearm in most places, yet when a place has a beer tap and I don't touch it I'm a danger?

“I am sure those who want to do this will claim they will never drink and they won’t when they are carrying their guns,” said Toby Hoover, the group’s executive director.“But people who carry guns everyday say they will never misuse them, and they do. And then there’s always the fact that someone next to them can even take their gun and use it.”

Sorry Toby, but if you drink and carry and god forbid you use your weapon (even if it's to protect your own life) you are being charged with operating a firearm under the influence of alcohol. People get a license every day and millions turn 21 every day and say they won't drink and drive and yet they do. So should we outlaw driving?

Trust me Toby if my gun leaves my holster the only thing someone will be taking is my bullets and police will be taking my statement!
The Real P Citizen

Commercial Point, OH

#16 Mar 18, 2010
nice wrote:
We finally ban smoking (a wonderful thing to go to a bowling alley without being smoothered by smoke!) and now we allow guns in restaurants. Way to go ohio...
Why are guns needed in public places? This isn't the wild west.
Wait a few...it will be.
On the smoking thing? And I hope something you have a right to enjoy,gets wacked. Bowling perhaps. You can slip and hurt yourself.
We can't have that.
Big brother is already setting his sites on the foods you enjoy. Fat chicks are disgusting...so you'll probably need to change your diet and eat what you're told, so I can be comfortable looking at you.
Zealot.
The Real P Citizen

Commercial Point, OH

#17 Mar 18, 2010
Lerxst wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the wild west was safer than today's world. Don't believe the myths you were fed as a child.
Was it now? That's why it was called the Wild West. Lots of open wilderness with Cowboys,Indians, and Outlaws. And not nearly many of all those.
We have millions more people today than we did then. And loads of unhappy ones at that. Pack in tight. Demographics have changed too.
They're taking this thing too far. It's trouble.
Licensed to CCW

Westlake, OH

#18 Mar 18, 2010
It will still be highly illegal to drink in that resturant while armed.

I can go to a resturant like Cracker Barrel or McDonalds and still retain my right to defend myself and my family (if God forbid I ever have to), however, if I go into a place like Applebees to have the same meal (without alcohol, I don't drink anyways) I'm breaking the law.

Most all states theat allow CCW allow carry in resturants that serve alcohol as long as that person is not drinking. I was in Michigan and Indiana over the holidays and dined in a few places that served alcohol. You know the strangest thing happened... NOTHING! The sheer smell of alcohol did not make me pull out my gun and start shooting up the place.
Licensed to CCW

Westlake, OH

#19 Mar 18, 2010
Also, CCW has been allowed in resturants that don't serve alcohol since day one of Ohio allowing CCW. This is just to remove the restriction of resturants that serve alcohol to match 90% of the other statest that allow CCW.
Lerxst

Paris, KY

#20 Mar 19, 2010
The Real P Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
Was it now? That's why it was called the Wild West. Lots of open wilderness with Cowboys,Indians, and Outlaws. And not nearly many of all those.
We have millions more people today than we did then. And loads of unhappy ones at that. Pack in tight. Demographics have changed too.
They're taking this thing too far. It's trouble.
Yeah, it was. It has been documented that on a comparative basis the so called "wild West" days were safer than today.

Here's an example. In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870. Measured by murder rate, in 2007 New York was 6 times; DC, 31 times; Newark, 37 times and Baltimore, a staggering 45 times more wild than the Wild Wild West. This isn't my opinion. These are hard numbers. The numbers don't lie.

“One Sarcastic Dog.”

Since: Jul 09

Juvenalian Satire

#21 Mar 19, 2010
long as the guns dont have any trans-fats were safe :) no, seriously i would feel safer, if a would be robber were to walk in and see people with sidearms they would leave. a crime prevented without a single shot being fired! i would *assume* that 99.9% of CCW'ers take the responsibility of carrying a gun Very Seriously and in the long run everyone is safer. yes, there will be the idiot who gets a CCW and will show off and hurt or kill someone but, statistically you are far more likely to get shot by a robber than a careless CCW holder.[P.S. i dont own any guns by choice but, i do not see the need or reason to disarm responsible gun owners.]

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