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Sister in Christ

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#1 May 22, 2008
It is truly amazing to see the community churches becoming unified, not seperated by the titles posted on thier lawns, but by the man who gave us all hope, and life. I imagine that he is looking down at us, just waiting to see where he can bless us....wow...........this serve marysville day is not the only day they have come together... they come together often just to fellowship, as brothers in Christ. Thank you men, and women for lighting our way, we will be a city of lamps for all to see.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#2 May 23, 2008
Sister in Christ wrote:
It is truly amazing to see the community churches becoming unified, not seperated by the titles posted on thier lawns, but by the man who gave us all hope, and life. I imagine that he is looking down at us, just waiting to see where he can bless us....wow..........this serve marysville day is not the only day they have come together... they come together often just to fellowship, as brothers in Christ. Thank you men, and women for lighting our way, we will be a city of lamps for all to see.
There is no more reason to believe in Christ than there is to believe in Santa Clause.

If a person can convince you of absurdities,
he can make you commit atrocities.~ Voltaire
american veteran

United States

#3 Jun 1, 2008
if you are reading this in English, thank a veteran

GOD doesn't separate mankind, religions do

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#4 Jun 1, 2008
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no more reason to believe in Christ than there is to believe in Santa Clause.
If a person can convince you of absurdities,
he can make you commit atrocities.~ Voltaire
Whatever you think about Christ, it was good of those who serve him to do something caring in their community.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#5 Jun 2, 2008
JeanD_NW wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever you think about Christ, it was good of those who serve him to do something caring in their community.
You mean like

Burning witches?
Imprisoning Galleio for saying the Earth revolved around the Sun?
For slaughtering innocents during the inquisition?
For slaughtering more innocents during the Crusades?
For the brutal gruesome slaughter of librarian Hyperia of Alexandria in the 4th Century?

Those caring servants?? Those "good deeds"?

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#6 Jun 2, 2008
They did that in arlington recently? I missed that one.

There is probably a lovely forum here somewhere where you can get some commiseration with your thoughts. I think whatever good is done, is GOOD. I wasn't speaking to the entire history of the world.

People can do evil and call themselves anything from a Pagan to a humanist, an atheist, a Christian, Muslim or Hindu. What they do is likely more significant than what they say as to what they 'believe'. Try not to lay the crusades on kind people who did something positive.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#7 Jun 3, 2008
JeanD_NW wrote:
They did that in arlington recently? I missed that one.
There is probably a lovely forum here somewhere where you can get some commiseration with your thoughts. I think whatever good is done, is GOOD. I wasn't speaking to the entire history of the world.
People can do evil and call themselves anything from a Pagan to a humanist, an atheist, a Christian, Muslim or Hindu. What they do is likely more significant than what they say as to what they 'believe'. Try not to lay the crusades on kind people who did something positive.
One thing about Christian behavior that seems constant. If you are allowed to forget about the past, you repeat it in the future. So now what are you going to do because I won't forget, call me a witch and burn me at the stake?

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#8 Jun 4, 2008
Nope, you are free to remember whatever you wish. And if it makes you happy and/or satisfied to hold such things close to your heart, go for it .But if you are a human, then you can castigate yourself for slavery(all of our ancestors are guilty of it), or you can vow that you will personally never be guilty of it and try to do good and worthy things in your society. Probably a lame analogy in your view. But I have been up for 20 hours working, contributing to society, raising my family, feeding them, all that kind of evil and mayhem.

I'm kinda tired.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#9 Jun 5, 2008
JeanD_NW wrote:
Nope, you are free to remember whatever you wish. And if it makes you happy and/or satisfied to hold such things close to your heart, go for it .But if you are a human, then you can castigate yourself for slavery(all of our ancestors are guilty of it), or you can vow that you will personally never be guilty of it and try to do good and worthy things in your society. Probably a lame analogy in your view. But I have been up for 20 hours working, contributing to society, raising my family, feeding them, all that kind of evil and mayhem.
I'm kinda tired.
Well, feel free to join the NAZI party then. I'm sure they'd love to forget their evil past as well. You can help them do great and wunnerful deeds in the name of Adolph. I'm sure he died for your benefit as well.

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#10 Jun 5, 2008
Funny the things you are are satisfied to put upon a person of whom all you know of is that I think it was good for some people to get together to improve their community. You have a lot of assumptions to lose, because you know nothing of me. At all. I'm the first one to decry churches that abuse NOW, not in a past of which I have no control.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#11 Jun 6, 2008
I have no issues about people doing good deeds. In general, I am happy to see the world population trying to make life better for everyone.

However, when "good deeds" are done "in the name of <fill in the blank>" I think that is a set up for a dangerous backslide, especially if the history of the organization is not considered.

Religious Christian organizations have no right to claim to be "better" than the "NAZI party" IMHO.

If you can't live with the history of the organization you associate with, perhaps you should reconsider your association. That is your choice, not mine.

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#12 Jun 6, 2008
I guess you again/still are assuming too much about who I 'associate' with in a religious venue. Read my first post. I go to none of those churches. I am not discussing history, I am discussing THAT article.

If you are my next door neighbor, we could have quite some discussions-but YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME, so don't assume anything about me-PLEASE.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#13 Jun 10, 2008
JeanD_NW wrote:
I guess you again/still are assuming too much about who I 'associate' with in a religious venue. Read my first post. I go to none of those churches. I am not discussing history, I am discussing THAT article.
If you are my next door neighbor, we could have quite some discussions-but YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME, so don't assume anything about me-PLEASE.
You said "Whatever you think about Christ, it was good of those who serve him to do something caring in their community."

What I said, "....when "good deeds" are done "in the name of <fill in the blank>" I think that is a set up for a dangerous backslide, especially if the history of the organization is not considered...."

The remaining comments contained "you" as in the generic second person. That assumes nothing about you. Though I am now tempted to think YOU are an over reactive twit.

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#14 Jun 10, 2008
:) Said by the person who can't accept a comment about a group of people who do something nice w/o turning into a ragging on the church of the middle ages.

I said WHATEVER YOU THINK OF CHRIST---which was an acknowledgement to any ir/a-religious ones that I was glad that for WHATEVER REASON they did it, it was good of them to do it, even if you don't like their REASON. You missed it. But whatever. I am not defending evil deeds, I was only glad for a good one.

If I see an non-religious org. or atheist group doing it, I would be positive towards the good that was done.

I think that is enough discussion. Have a great day.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#15 Jun 11, 2008
JeanD_NW wrote:
:) Said by the person who can't accept a comment about a group of people who do something nice w/o turning into a ragging on the church of the middle ages.
I said WHATEVER YOU THINK OF CHRIST---which was an acknowledgement to any ir/a-religious ones that I was glad that for WHATEVER REASON they did it, it was good of them to do it, even if you don't like their REASON. You missed it. But whatever. I am not defending evil deeds, I was only glad for a good one.
If I see an non-religious org. or atheist group doing it, I would be positive towards the good that was done.
I think that is enough discussion. Have a great day.
I'll see if I can find a roster of the neo-NAZI roster, they are always looking for "humanitarian" things to spruce up their image. I'm sure they will appreciate your ringing endorsements as well.

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#16 Jun 12, 2008
I can CALL myself whatever I want to, but if, for example, I say I am Chinese-or Hungarian-or Canadian, and think it is my duty as such a person to abuse everyone else and don't know any of that lands languages---you might wonder where I got that idea that I was chinese/Hungarian/Canadian- rather than deciding that since you don't LIKE me, I offended you, that all Chinese/Hungarian/Canadians should be ashamed of themselves and repent for their alleged association with me.

I am not justifying evil. I don't think the NT teaches evil. I think that some people who call themselves followers of such are not.

Operation Chaos-all those republicans REGISTERING as democrats to make some political point. Doesn't make them actual democrats, does it?

Next time you see nazis sponsor a soup kitchen or doing a positive act at all in their community, let me know.
Sammy

Renton, WA

#17 Jun 12, 2008
JeanD_NW wrote:
I can CALL myself whatever I want to, but if, for example, I say I am Chinese-or Hungarian-or Canadian, and think it is my duty as such a person to abuse everyone else and don't know any of that lands languages---you might wonder where I got that idea that I was chinese/Hungarian/Canadian- rather than deciding that since you don't LIKE me, I offended you, that all Chinese/Hungarian/Canadians should be ashamed of themselves and repent for their alleged association with me.
I am not justifying evil. I don't think the NT teaches evil. I think that some people who call themselves followers of such are not.
Operation Chaos-all those republicans REGISTERING as democrats to make some political point. Doesn't make them actual democrats, does it?
Next time you see nazis sponsor a soup kitchen or doing a positive act at all in their community, let me know.
That same NT inspired not only all the things I mentioned before

Butchering Hypatia
Witch Burning
Crusades
Inquisitions
Jonestown Massacre (just because you prefer recent news)

It was also used as support for Nazi-ism that you seem to detest so much.

A common "assumption" is that studying the NT produces "good people" who do "good acts". I detest that false concept as much as you do Nazi-ism.

I'll let you know the next time the Nazi's hold a charity bake sale.

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#18 Jun 13, 2008
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>
That same NT inspired not only all the things I mentioned before
Butchering Hypatia
Witch Burning
Crusades
Inquisitions
Jonestown Massacre (just because you prefer recent news)
It was also used as support for Nazi-ism that you seem to detest so much.
A common "assumption" is that studying the NT produces "good people" who do "good acts". I detest that false concept as much as you do Nazi-ism.
I'll let you know the next time the Nazi's hold a charity bake sale.
People can use ANY pretext to cause any atrocity they wish. People can say anything is their inspiration. There is nothing in 'the gospel' that instructs anyone to do ANY of the aforesaid atrocities. That was about men and power. Religion was their excuse and weak people followed them. Communists didn't even have religion-and they have caused their own atrocities.

Obviously you have been hurt or angered by so called Christians/Muslims/??? Religion.

SO HAVE I. And there is much that I don't like about it. I think it CAN be manipulative. But I have also seen where it was not. HUMANS can be manipulative. But remove religion from the world, and humans will invent other manipulative techniques (they already have!)Ugly with a different excuse.
dingle

Portland, OR

#19 Jan 9, 2009
Sam you make funny YouTube videos

Since: Jan 09

United States

#20 Jan 12, 2009
It's so sad to hear people's belief that they help others just to please some diety. I give thousands to charity every year. It's because I have compassion for people, not because I'm trying to score points with some weird religion.

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