Plan Bay Area hearing heads to Solano

Plan Bay Area hearing heads to Solano

There are 18 comments on the The Daily Republic story from Apr 17, 2013, titled Plan Bay Area hearing heads to Solano. In it, The Daily Republic reports that:

Solano County residents will soon get to weigh in on a proposed Bay Area growth strategy that seeks to trade sprawling suburbs for more compact, pedestrian-friendly, mass-transit-orientated neighborhoods.

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no communist takeover

Hayward, CA

#1 Apr 17, 2013
just say no to communist social planning and yes to freedom. 1 bay area is the liberals pushing everybody into cages, think "housing projects" in big cities and how well they worked out
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#2 Apr 17, 2013
Did a Youtube search for "One Bay Area". The results were quite interesting. Take note of the demographics of these few people. These so-called "public" in those videos are nothing more than local rabble-rousers and Republican Tea Partiers who are desperately trying to justify the suburban lifestyle and way of life. Did it ever occur to these people that modern realities in this century no longer apply as they did in the previous centuries?
GEE

Oakland, CA

#3 Apr 17, 2013
For starters it takes brains to come up with schemes such as "One Bay Area" and lots of taxpayer money.
Whereas other countries who have previously had experienced mass housing and no longer trumpet it, the concept is new in the Western United States. Sure we have had projects before and because they did not offer the needed infrastructure that would make this type of housing bearable, we are now left with massive failures and the stigma that renters are bad people.

Nothing like this concerted effort to house the masses around transportation hubs has been before us.
60+ years ago, a little house with a yard, an automobile or two in every driveway and public transportation described as an evil commie scheme that has to be avoided at every turn trumpeted by government and businesses alike, was what was before us then.
...and building we did because land and natural resources were plentiful and cheap.

Aside from the none producers of anything, renting is a smart choice for the mobile society of today.
The building has to be top notch and in the right place for those nomads to move into. I seriously doubt that they will want to share their temporary housing with the subsidized crowd while they will pay top of the line rent for their compact space.

Pedestrian friendly, what does that mean?
It means that it will be too expensive to operate and park a personal vehicle once the government is tagging everything possible, tax wise, onto operating one.
Explain the concept of purposful walking vs. shopping for daily needs without using ones personal transportation?

In a town such as Vallejo without businesses to entice customers and fulfill those pesky every day needs that would make walking and patronizing them a pleasure, the now herded mass housing dweller can be seen with bags, no plastic please, loaded with the necessities on a daily basis! Thank God we have pleasant weather!

Along with the housing forced upon us are businesses also forced to locate into close proximity so they may serve the public?
Good bye Big Box Stores because your goods will no longer fit the compact living spaces provided in the mass housing complex. Are government run commissarries on the ground level of every housing unit and or Mom-n-Pop stores in our future?

Mass transit oriented neighborhoods?
We have to relocate enough additional businesses to San Francisco so the masses can frequent the Ferry. No local job opportunities are needed. Nothing new about that!
Along the same line we have to ensure that workers using the system must live in close proximity, which means to me that non-workers will not live in those transit oriented neighborhoods.
Since they are not working we can banish them to the now half empty properties formerly known as single family homes in the 'burbs. Oh wait, we are doing that already, my Bad!

The possibilities are endless.......
A Thought

Vacaville, CA

#4 Apr 17, 2013
"E pluribus unum" ???
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#5 Apr 17, 2013
And our quality of life in beautiful California continues to be chipped away at. Why? So we can cram more illegals and welfare recipients into sh*tty apartments? Theses delusional progressives will not be happy until California looks and feels like Mexico. Then they will blame it on someone else. And then they will want even more of YOUR tax money. What a joke.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#6 Apr 17, 2013
WTF wrote:
And our quality of life in beautiful California continues to be chipped away at. Why? So we can cram more illegals and welfare recipients into sh*tty apartments? Theses delusional progressives will not be happy until California looks and feels like Mexico. Then they will blame it on someone else. And then they will want even more of YOUR tax money. What a joke.
You forgot something.. most of the dwellings in these PDA places where the growth is expected to be will be market-rate housing. That means only people who have real jobs paying real salaries will be able to afford them. That's the only way this "One Bay Area" plan will work. As California continues to be economically linked to Asia-Pacific economies, today's mobile salaried persons working in the Bay Area will not have the inclination or desire for the ever increasing and overburdening costs of suburban lifestyle, but will prefer to acquire market-rate housing that will minimize living costs and allow for easier access to their workplaces and local amenities such as shopping and entertainment.
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#7 Apr 17, 2013
Yes, I understand that that is their "intention". How often do their misguided projects end up the way they initially intended? They intended for social programs to be a short term hand up, to assist people out of poverty. How has that worked out? I see commercials on TV asking people to sign up for food stamps and free cell phones. You seem to forget that we are lied to all of the time, and rarely do these progressive fairy tales work out for the tax payer who is funding them.
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot something.. most of the dwellings in these PDA places where the growth is expected to be will be market-rate housing. That means only people who have real jobs paying real salaries will be able to afford them. That's the only way this "One Bay Area" plan will work. As California continues to be economically linked to Asia-Pacific economies, today's mobile salaried persons working in the Bay Area will not have the inclination or desire for the ever increasing and overburdening costs of suburban lifestyle, but will prefer to acquire market-rate housing that will minimize living costs and allow for easier access to their workplaces and local amenities such as shopping and entertainment.
Jim in SF

San Jose, CA

#8 Apr 17, 2013
Don't be fooled like the supporters of this dastardly plan have been fooled. This Bay Area plan has come into existence due in large part to the United Nations Agenda 21 plan. It is an International Socialist agenda that seeks to transfer wealth from the West to third world countries that have failed to prosper in the modern world. The big lie and scam of GLOBAL WARMING motivates the fools who drafted this monstrosity and now they expect you, your children and your grandchildren to fall in line with their agenda.

How does it make you feel to know your grand children will be forced into tight living conditions in a high rise bird cage? Sounds like a fantastic legacy to leave to our loved ones does it not? NOT!

Boo the ba$%&rds off the stage and out of town. These are fools who need to tend to their own lives and leave other people alone.
GEE

Oakland, CA

#9 Apr 17, 2013
A Thought wrote:
"E pluribus unum" ???
qui tacet consentire!
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#10 Apr 17, 2013
Jim in SF wrote:
Don't be fooled like the supporters of this dastardly plan have been fooled. This Bay Area plan has come into existence due in large part to the United Nations Agenda 21 plan. It is an International Socialist agenda that seeks to transfer wealth from the West to third world countries that have failed to prosper in the modern world. The big lie and scam of GLOBAL WARMING motivates the fools who drafted this monstrosity and now they expect you, your children and your grandchildren to fall in line with their agenda.
How does it make you feel to know your grand children will be forced into tight living conditions in a high rise bird cage? Sounds like a fantastic legacy to leave to our loved ones does it not? NOT!
Boo the ba$%&rds off the stage and out of town. These are fools who need to tend to their own lives and leave other people alone.
Take a real good look at the pictures/demographics of these fools in this article.......

Opponents of regional development plan vent frustration at San Rafael hearing
http://www.marinij.com/novato/ci_23039559/o
pponents-regional-development- plan-vent-frustration-at-san

......They represent the dying past. California is today a minority-majority state. That's the reason they are venting their "frustration". They want to hold on to an unworkable paradigm in today's modern mobile 24/7 world. These fools know their time is up. The younger generation is mad at them, the baby-boomers, who bought the lie in the post-WW2 1950s world of an every expanding suburbia and resource depletion, and sold their descendants down the river.
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#11 Apr 17, 2013
And the above is the kooky reasoning behind the new, emerging communism. We can't obtain what you have because we aren't smart enough, tenacious enough, fill in the blank....so YOU don't get to have it either. Wow. I guess they are getting braver about saying it out loud. Sad losers.
Jim in SF

San Jose, CA

#12 Apr 17, 2013
Listen and learn my friend, this is the opening text to the article you linked:

"Nearly all the speakers at a regional planning hearing in San Rafael on Tuesday criticized a long range transportation and land use/housing plan for Marin and the Bay Area."

So you look at the pictures and the ordinary citizens who turned out to voice their opinions on this plan and you conclude they are part of the "dying past"?

The "dying past" as you call them are the generation that lived through the great depression and fought the second world war, returned home and built the civil society we all enjoy today.

I think you're in for a surprise as ordinary people begin to wake up from a deep sleep. You'll see a return to the basic principles of freedom and democracy as we all struggle through this long depression we're in right now. The days of starry eyed progressive socialists and central planners in government are over but you're just not able to see it yet. Thank god we can't afford their salaries and benefits any longer.

One more thing, you're fired.
GEE

Oakland, CA

#13 Apr 17, 2013
Jim in SF wrote:
Listen and learn my friend, this is the opening text to the article you linked:
"Nearly all the speakers at a regional planning hearing in San Rafael on Tuesday criticized a long range transportation and land use/housing plan for Marin and the Bay Area."
So you look at the pictures and the ordinary citizens who turned out to voice their opinions on this plan and you conclude they are part of the "dying past"?
The "dying past" as you call them are the generation that lived through the great depression and fought the second world war, returned home and built the civil society we all enjoy today.
I think you're in for a surprise as ordinary people begin to wake up from a deep sleep. You'll see a return to the basic principles of freedom and democracy as we all struggle through this long depression we're in right now. The days of starry eyed progressive socialists and central planners in government are over but you're just not able to see it yet. Thank god we can't afford their salaries and benefits any longer.
One more thing, you're fired.
Jim In SF, brilliantly spoken!

The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.
- Alvin Toffler -
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#14 Apr 17, 2013
Well said. These are also the people funding their educations and welfare state. Eventually you run out of other people's money. They better have a plan B.
Jim in SF wrote:
Listen and learn my friend, this is the opening text to the article you linked:
"Nearly all the speakers at a regional planning hearing in San Rafael on Tuesday criticized a long range transportation and land use/housing plan for Marin and the Bay Area."
So you look at the pictures and the ordinary citizens who turned out to voice their opinions on this plan and you conclude they are part of the "dying past"?
The "dying past" as you call them are the generation that lived through the great depression and fought the second world war, returned home and built the civil society we all enjoy today.
I think you're in for a surprise as ordinary people begin to wake up from a deep sleep. You'll see a return to the basic principles of freedom and democracy as we all struggle through this long depression we're in right now. The days of starry eyed progressive socialists and central planners in government are over but you're just not able to see it yet. Thank god we can't afford their salaries and benefits any longer.
One more thing, you're fired.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#15 Apr 17, 2013
Jim in SF wrote:
The "dying past" as you call them are the generation that lived through the great depression and fought the second world war, returned home and built the civil society we all enjoy today.
They are the "dying past", as they completely bought the lies perpetrated by the PTBs of the pre-WW2 era and post-WW2 era. Even President Eisenhower, who upon leaving office, had to warn the citizenry in the 1950s of the growing threat of military-industry complex to our way of life. Vallejo was all in on that because of Mare Island. Vallejo is now suffering because of that as evidenced by bankruptcy and the complete ineptitude of their elected leadership and government staff.
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#17 Apr 17, 2013
Funny, you ignore the facts and continue with your fantasy gibberish. The only thing destroying Vallejo and our collective property values, schools, downtown, etc is the influx of Oakland, Richmond, SF, ghetto thugs. We are a smaller area geographically and the trashy lifestyle they lead is traumatizing Vallejo. 10 minutes away is Green Valley. Do you think the property owners there would ever agree to something like this? Of course not. You are an entitled, lazy, rejected loser. Envy will damage your psyche.
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
They are the "dying past", as they completely bought the lies perpetrated by the PTBs of the pre-WW2 era and post-WW2 era. Even President Eisenhower, who upon leaving office, had to warn the citizenry in the 1950s of the growing threat of military-industry complex to our way of life. Vallejo was all in on that because of Mare Island. Vallejo is now suffering because of that as evidenced by bankruptcy and the complete ineptitude of their elected leadership and government staff.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#18 Apr 17, 2013
WTF wrote:
Funny, you ignore the facts and continue with your fantasy gibberish. The only thing destroying Vallejo and our collective property values, schools, downtown, etc is the influx of Oakland, Richmond, SF, ghetto thugs. We are a smaller area geographically and the trashy lifestyle they lead is traumatizing Vallejo. 10 minutes away is Green Valley. Do you think the property owners there would ever agree to something like this? Of course not. You are an entitled, lazy, rejected loser. Envy will damage your psyche.
<quoted text>
You also ignore the facts. Vallejo bought the lies of the PTBs and the military-industry-complex of Mare Island. No common sense planning that would diversify Vallejo economically away from the military. Military left, Vallejo crashed. Nothing lasts forever is the lesson. Fairfield area will soon learn that lesson in the future when the PTBs in DC figures out they no longer need Travis AFB, just like they did with Mare Island. When that happens, we'll see what becomes of Fairfield, Suisun City and Vacaville, when they struggle to maintain their sprawl suburbia.
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#19 Apr 17, 2013
Go back to your crappy, dirty apartment and hate everyone who has what you never will. I will continue to enjoy my house, with no shared walls, and my beautiful large backyard. People aren't cattle, and we shouldn't be ashamed to live happier lives than those living in third world countries. You cloak your envy with "occupy" nonsense. Its very sad and transparent.

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