Marysville first with red-light crash-prevention system

Marysville will be the first U.S. city to test a new automated device designed to predict and prevent vehicle accidents resulting from drivers running red lights. Read more
Terry Oakes

Guadalajara, Mexico

#1 Feb 17, 2011
I worked with Wannabe Sgt. John Osbourn. He was a flunky under my direction and still is!
Call Me the Breeze

Chico, CA

#2 Feb 17, 2011
I don't like red-light cameras so I think I'll take 99 from now on while driving to Sacramento. Wait - I don't like Sac's new crash tax, so I won't be going there anymore anyway.
Holly Schmidt

Napa, CA

#3 Feb 17, 2011
Such a system may well have merit, but allowing Redflex to be any part of it is like using a fox to guard a chicken house.

It is through the lobbying and PR efforts of Redflex (and others in this "industry") that running a red light has been demonized to the current perspective.

Blatantly running through a red light certainly IS a serious issue, but a 5 mph rolling right turn on red when there is no traffic is another matter. Either event will cost a violator in excess of $500 after it is all over. For the latter offence, this is an excessive penalty, and you can in part thank Redflex for it.
Holly Schmidt

Napa, CA

#4 Feb 17, 2011
Only a small percentage of red light violations are intentional acts.

Most are caused of driver inattention coupled with traffic engineering flaws.

The way to have safer intersections is to assess which intersections have a high number of violations, and the evaluate ways to make them safer. Solutions include increasing visibility, signage, advance warning lights, and increasing the time length of the yellow light if need be.

The Redflex approach to this problem is somewhat different. It is to find out which intersections have high numbers of violations, and then place their cameras there and start collecting money.
Henry

Hemet, CA

#5 Feb 17, 2011
Don't drop your guard in Marysville. The collision avoidance feature protects from drivers running a split second late (who are no threat anyway), but it can do nothing about impaired/distracted drivers running the red 3+ seconds late - and those are the dangerous ones.

Collision avoidance isn't new. It just never caught on. Other potential customers recognized it as a sales gimmick. In Marysville, the gimmick worked - it got the council to agree to pay way too much for the cameras.
disgruntled

United States

#6 Feb 17, 2011
The fines aren't outrageous.Higher fines just might make people follow the law.It doesn't matter if you run the light just as it is turning or 3+ seconds late,you are still running the red light.
skeptic1st

Chico, CA

#8 Feb 17, 2011
Sounds like a situation where some people are going to take advantage of this, first as a "safety" factor when they DO run a red light, and then as a possible mitigating factor of liability in the event of an actual collision.

("I didn't have time to make a good decision, but I thought the crash-prevention system would protect me--it wasn't my fault.")
citizen

Chico, CA

#9 Feb 17, 2011
Do a little research on the Australian company Redflex and you'll see that statistics prove their red light cameras do not prevent, and in fact sometimes increase, collisions at controlled intersections. It is nothing more than a money making scheme for both Marysville and Redflex.
nuff said

Chico, CA

#10 Feb 18, 2011
I just want to know why we can't just make all lights red for 3 seconds, so no one moves, might save millions in cost and lives, And the article says there is a tiff with the city and Cal Trans due to light management/control too easy? No perk funds generated from the lowly tax payer. I build, drive, and make "these" roads. I drive marysville some times 16 times a day, and it's all about how the lights are out of line with which each other line of lights.
The south bound 70 comes south around the lake, is good, even with 20 coming in from the side. as soon as you turn at the lake to go west It begins, slow tight bumpy ride to next corner,(drainage problems) concrete mix base rock, water evacuation as is at the boat zone SAC
next corner, 70 south to the waffle run(if you make all the lights your lucky(red light camera at the end of lights.) In the middle there is a dedicated north or south left, slowing traffic too often/kicks off with no left traffic).
then there is the right to 20 West. You can sit as long as 5 minutes to get thru this group of lights. the first is really slow, and then if your lucky to make the next light(camera light) there is 2 more before the bridge that are off the pattern depending on time of day with the rest of the area lights. If going south from the linda bridge, it can take as long as 15 minutes to get to the yuba city bridge / to 20 west. The area is really in need of the bypass, to save on little fixes.
3 seconds red all crosses, and the by pass.
Glad to see the new light out in linda at simpson lane.
Caltrans has the new building there , go to the top floor and watch the roads in view. it's a mess.
nuff said
nuff said

Chico, CA

#11 Feb 18, 2011
opps should have re read iot (if going NORTH from the linda bridge)
driver

United States

#12 Feb 18, 2011
"Councilman Dale Whitmore said he didn't want Marysville to be the first city in the country to try the system" Why not? Marysville has nothing else to put its self on the map for!! that town is nothing more than a place to get gas and take a poop on your way to sacramento!!
Ingineer66

Los Angeles, CA

#13 Feb 18, 2011
3 seconds of All Red time at every light change? I guess that would work if you want to take 3 or 4 green lights to get through every intersection. There is too much traffic in California and not enough roads. Thank Jerry Brown the first time he was governor and all the politicians that keep spending the gas tax road money on empty busses and bike paths. Even if 10,000 people in Chico road the bus to work, there would still be too much traffic.
driver

United States

#14 Feb 18, 2011
marysvill sucks, and this another example of why Yuba City has developed into a nice community and maysville is stuck in 1952. Get a clue!
Bay Area

San Mateo, CA

#15 Feb 19, 2011
what? Marysville has a light? What are they going to do with all the cows and trailortrash?
Joe_Public

Sacramento, CA

#16 Feb 19, 2011
What does it do if drivers from both directions are going to run the red light? Sounds like just another way to waste money while giving the appearance of safety.
Fedupwithitall

Marysville, CA

#17 Feb 19, 2011
Chico needs that! Everyday I almost get creamed by these dolts. One time I counted FOUR cars go through on a red. Two people were yakking on phones, one was yelling at her kid in the back seat and the last guy was just tailgating and followed the other three through. Perhaps if those 400 dollar tickets were passed out here, people would begin to realize that RED MEANS STOP. The Cohasset/Mangrove split would be a good place to start.
someone far aways

Olivehurst, CA

#18 Jan 28, 2012
I would say they cause more accidents and fender benders than anything out there not many other states have this system of getting money(through cameras) for red light violations. I personally feel that people do not understand how you are convicted of running the red lights the rule states that if you are running through the first crosswalk and it turns red you are in violation of this offense but on the other hand here is why it causes more crashes than actually does anything good. Some people drive very fast through marysville in excess of 40 miles per hour through a 25 zone. Elders drive very much slower and I personally drive like the elders now that I was given a red light ticket coming into marysville from the 70 bridge I now will slam on my brakes if the light starts to change yellow even because I cannot afford another 600 dollar ticket and I would say most would agree and do the same thing I drive super slow up to the light and if it stays green I go through but if it turns yellow I now slam on my brakes(TO AVOID THE HORRIBLE $600) I personally as a college student cant pay this fine again I have had 3 or 4 occurences where Im almost slammed by the car behind and myself in a truck would rather have the little fender bender where the person behind pays for the accident as opposed to paying 600 dollars again (Thanks alot marysville for your retarted ways to get money and as soon as the person hits me behind me I'm gonna give the system sooo much crap for this nonsense I think leniency should be allowed on these cameras especially with the new red light prevention system where the cameras at the top delay the lights from letting the alternate traffic start(turning green for them)Just my thoughts anyone else feel similiar about this issue
Ruth

Paradise, CA

#19 Jan 29, 2012
Build a bypass around this gauntlet of red lights, cameras, and trashy businesses. I find it to be an ugly and depressing drive thru that place. It"s as if they've purposely designed the route thru town in the most difficult way possible frustrating drivers into running red lights.

Since: Sep 08

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#20 Jan 29, 2012
Ingineer66 wrote:
3 seconds of All Red time at every light change? I guess that would work if you want to take 3 or 4 green lights to get through every intersection. There is too much traffic in California and not enough roads. Thank Jerry Brown the first time he was governor and all the politicians that keep spending the gas tax road money on empty busses and bike paths. Even if 10,000 people in Chico road the bus to work, there would still be too much traffic.
No doubt about it, Chico's buses are driving around and around Chico empty ninety (90) percent of the time. Making big clouds of black smoke at every stop crowding our roadways, plus the noise. They spent millions year after year for the last 30 years. Remember the San Francisco trolly bus they wore out driving it around looking for someone to give a free ride . Millions, now they are tinting the windows not to save energy but so no one will see they are always empty!

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#21 Jan 29, 2012
someone far aways wrote:
I would say they cause more accidents and fender benders than anything out there not many other states have this system of getting money(through cameras) for red light violations. I personally feel that people do not understand how you are convicted of running the red lights the rule states that if you are running through the first crosswalk and it turns red you are in violation of this offense but on the other hand here is why it causes more crashes than actually does anything good. Some people drive very fast through marysville in excess of 40 miles per hour through a 25 zone. Elders drive very much slower and I personally drive like the elders now that I was given a red light ticket coming into marysville from the 70 bridge I now will slam on my brakes if the light starts to change yellow even because I cannot afford another 600 dollar ticket and I would say most would agree and do the same thing I drive super slow up to the light and if it stays green I go through but if it turns yellow I now slam on my brakes(TO AVOID THE HORRIBLE $600) I personally as a college student cant pay this fine again I have had 3 or 4 occurences where Im almost slammed by the car behind and myself in a truck would rather have the little fender bender where the person behind pays for the accident as opposed to paying 600 dollars again (Thanks alot marysville for your retarted ways to get money and as soon as the person hits me behind me I'm gonna give the system sooo much crap for this nonsense I think leniency should be allowed on these cameras especially with the new red light prevention system where the cameras at the top delay the lights from letting the alternate traffic start(turning green for them)Just my thoughts anyone else feel similiar about this issue
I want you to take the twelve inch three balled hitch protruding out the back of your truck out of its socket when you are not pulling a trailer. Otherwise do not let your wife barrow your truck for any reason.

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