Bug superstar: Beetle sighting raises...

Bug superstar: Beetle sighting raises a stir in biological world

There are 29 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Jun 27, 2010, titled Bug superstar: Beetle sighting raises a stir in biological world. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

River Partners Michelle Boercker photographed a rare elderberrry longhorn beetle.

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Steen

Brooklyn, NY

#29 Jun 28, 2010
Ex Chico Resident wrote:
...Seriously, why are you questioning me but not the "scientists" that benefit economically from making numbers agree with them? You don't realize how much you're being played right now by them and it's sad.:(
I question you, because I am not quite sure if you're outright lying, or whether you have no clue what you're talking about, and want to claim that some other bug is this beetle and therefore the beetle is not rare. Either you are lying, or you're ignorant. I am simply wondering which.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#30 Jun 28, 2010
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EX CHICO RESIDENT is the perfect example of what is wrong with our country.

Too many people base their opinions on hearsay and myths rather then on solid knowledge.

Why, with all these creationists and closed minded conservatives, small wonder we are becoming a third world Nation.
Farmer

United States

#32 Jun 29, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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People commonly confuse the Elderberry Longhorn Beetle (Desmocerus californicus dimorphus)with Western Box-Elder Bugs (Leptocoris rubrolineatus). They look similar but are not even remotely related...the former being a beetle (Order Coleoptera)..the latter a "True Bug" (Order Hemiptera)...It's an understandable mistake...but it IS a mistake.
Way, you are SO SMART, so much smarter than this farmer. Go look for yourself and send your biologist science buddies. They won't believe a farmer. Farmers just want to poison things. The beetles are right there for you to see. On public land that was taken over from farmers that could no longer fight the battles. Go look at Irving Finch Park at the Sacramento River near Hamilton City. Along the levee you will find lots of elderberries and beetles. You won't find the beetles unless you are there early in the morning. I saw them in the fall and they were exactly the beetle pictured in Michelle's article. The ground was covered with them and you could not keep from stepping on them (to me, it was THOUSANDS of them). There were male and female beetles and yes, you can tell the difference. Now that the information is out, maybe all of you that wish to see these shy creatures can visit all that public land that once was orchard or farm land. Better get permission or they will throw you in jail if you happen to go outside the state park area (read the warning on the blue goose). It will still be public land, but they don't want you to harm anything.

Way, take Grandpa Nicholai with you as he needs to get out and smell some fresh air as well. The river is a great place to see all kinds of wildlife and the odors of the flora are unlike anything else. I too can be sarcastic, but I really do enjoy the nature along the Sacramento River. Go enjoy something that is still free. Remember that farmers along the river kept it that way for all these years. This farmer did his part in the 1960's and 1970's.
Farmer

United States

#33 Jun 29, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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I don't care what you think, what you do, or who you are. If you want to talk FACTS and Science..I'm here and willing. I know a little something about entomology, biology and agriculture. I've spent over three decades working as a field scientist in the field of economic entomology and integrated pest management. I completely understand that you DO NOT BELIEVE ME..that's the way you anti-intellectuals are. You are threatened by facts, science, data and truth.
Again, if you want to talk science, biology, beetles, agriculture, I welcome the discussion.
If want you prefer is remaining in the dark, swallowing half-truths and outright BS from "Farmer" and TCS on Chico Threads..and your "friends" that's your choice too.
I couldn't care less....just saying.
Way, I respect your knowledge and your background. Too bad you do not respect my knowledge and background because I am not full of BS, I just raise bulls. I am not a scientist and do not profess to be. You don't care anyway because you have all the answers and I couldn't possibly, even be remotely correct with my observations. Here is what I do know:

About 4 years ago, I spoke with Larry Eng, CDFG about how many elderberry plants do we need to keep? How many is enough? Larry said that there are plenty of elderberry plants and beetles. And that the beetle would soon be delisted only that it takes time. Way, do you know Larry Eng? He took some of the pictures of the valley elderberry longhorn beetle found in this web link:

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/endspec/espdfs/ve...

The pictures that Larry took along with all the other pictures in this document are exactly the beetles I saw at the river. Now, they are illusive because I only saw them that one morning. Maybe I was at the right place at the right time. I also didn't think to get my camera and my cell phone takes horrible pictures. So please, enough with the insults. Respect me for being an honorable farmer.

“AccountKiller”

Since: Jul 09

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#34 Jun 29, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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Here is my advice. You call United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS).
Don't do what he's suggesting here unless you want to get sucked into one big bureaucratic, inefficient, red-tape-laden mess. Of course, if you enjoy dealing with governmental agencies then go for it.

“AccountKiller”

Since: Jul 09

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#35 Jun 29, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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.....Most understand that science is one thing and political shenanigans and posturing are another....
Although the two do get intertwined more often than not.
Farmer

United States

#37 Jun 29, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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Please do not mistake my critique of your beetle observations with a "Disrespect" for you as an honerable farmer. That was not my intent, and I don't think I wrote that anywhere. Some of my best friends are farmers and ranchers. My relatives were tobacco farmers, and I make a living in the field. And honestly, I live on the Sacramento River, I fish it, I hunt on it, I boat it and have been doing so for more than 25 years. Being an entomologist, and collector, I personally have examined many hundreds, if not thousands of Elderberry bushes in the Sacramento valley. You are correct. There is no shortage of elderberry bushes. It IS A WEEDY species, spread by bird droppings. Valley Elderberry Longhorn Beetles are dispersal-limited, low fecundity and have naturally-limited populations. Unfortunately, and in my opinion, the Endangered Species Act is misapplied with regard to the beetle. The Bush is over-protected. If they occurr in non-riparian settings, or in settings that are degraded, isolated/fragmanted, what's the point? That probably has limited benefit for the beetle, it unfairly encumbers property owners, and it makes the ESA look bad.
Again though, I'm sincere in saying, if you saw thousands of beetles, or even hundreds at one time...That is an EXCEPTIONAL, no actually EXTRAORDINARY observation. I'm not being facetious....at all.
And of course the beaurocracy is slow clumsy..and the Endangered Species Act replete with problems. What human enterprise isn't?
Considering all special interests, political BS, and varying levels of understanding/awareness, we have to depend on agreeable facts/data. From my perspective, and reviewing the California Natural Diverstity Database, as well as the Federal Register listing package, your observation of that population stands out..no records like that exist AT ALL..nada..zippo.
So again, you and anyone else reading this thread would do a great service to all of the farmers, ranchers and developers if you could demonstrate, or show someone large populations of the beetle. Anybody, and everybody critical should do it. All of you posters giving accounts of them crawling on your driveway..step up and help out with the problem.
Again, that's how science works, that's exactly what is required for the process to move, screwed-up as it is.
Way, thanks for the civility. Couldn't ask for more. And if I do happen to see all those beetles again, I will call someone immediately to look at my find. I know of several agencies that would love to see them as well and they would get to the site asap.
Farmer

Reston, VA

#40 Jun 30, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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Wonder if we've passed on the river?
Probably not on the river, I gave up boating on it years ago. I remember when you could water ski on the river just upstream from the old Gianella bridge at River Marina or Chico Marina. We probably crossed paths on the field crop side... We used to farm both sides of the river near Hamilton City. That is where I learned to enjoy all the nature that thrives along the river. And I learned to respect the river flows as we delt with lots of floods in the 60's and 70's. You can't control mother nature, you can only observe and respect what is before you.
River

Eslöv, Sweden

#41 Feb 1, 2012
I have seen the ground crawling with these exact beetles at Irving Finch Park along the Sacramento River levee. Literally thousands of them. I don't know how any biologist could find any species as they drink their lattes down at Starbucks. Come on, folks. Time to quit this lie. There are millions of long horned elderberry beetles and they are FAR from extinct.

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