Bug superstar: Beetle sighting raises...

Bug superstar: Beetle sighting raises a stir in biological world

There are 29 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Jun 27, 2010, titled Bug superstar: Beetle sighting raises a stir in biological world. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

River Partners Michelle Boercker photographed a rare elderberrry longhorn beetle.

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Farmer

United States

#1 Jun 27, 2010
Wow, she got to see a beetle or two. I have seen the ground crawling with these exact beetles at Irving Finch Park along the Sacramento River levee. Literally thousands of them. I don't know how any biologist could find any species as they drink their lattes down at Starbucks. Come on, folks. Time to quit this lie. There are millions of long horned elderberry beetles and they are FAR from extinct. They are shy, but very plentiful. So take the Elderberry bushes off the endangered species list and quit holding everyone hostage over false science.

But then again, if the truth were know, they would not be able to extort millions of dollars for this so-called habitat restoration gimmick as they try to 'save the environment for our grandchildren'. If you would live with nature like I do, you would find all kinds of species getting along just fine without interference from biological scientists. I know, I am just a farmer and I want to poison the land that I make my living off of.
George Hartwell

United States

#3 Jun 27, 2010
Congratulations, Michelle. I've been looking for one of those for 15 years and never found one.
juanita

Chico, CA

#2 Jun 27, 2010
well I'm real happy for this lady. If she spent some time down at Lindo Channel along Manzanita, she'd see more of them. And lots of Pipevine Swallowtail eggs, larvae and adults.
And the elderberries will be ripe pretty soon - oooo-weeeee, elderberry jelly! Say, "elderberry jelly" a few times fast, it will make you feel good!
dog

Chico, CA

#4 Jun 27, 2010
mom sprayed those borers off her elderberries to keep from killing the bush.. the bush would die in a couple of years when effected.. she made elderberry wine
sourgrapes

Washington, DC

#5 Jun 27, 2010
This sort of reminds one of the Spotted owl. They said it only lived in old growth forests because that's the only place they looked. Lo and behold some had nested in new forests and vineyards. The critters just don't know they're only supposed to live where the Scientists think they should.
What me worry

United States

#6 Jun 27, 2010
George Hartwell wrote:
Congratulations, Michelle. I've been looking for one of those for 15 years and never found one.
Keep looking George, there are lots out there. Here are some of the animals that I have seen in the Chico area that are supposed to be scarce: mountain lions, elderberry longhorned beetles, badgers, otters, roadrunners, coyotes, red breasted black birds, spotted owls, raccoons, possums, porcupines, roosevelt elk, wild turkey, pellicans, black bear, horned owl, bald eagles, king fishers, fresh water eels, sturgeon, chineese quail, all kinds of water fowl, crawdads, turtles, bull frogs, ring tailed cats, tree squirrels, lots of bats, monarch butterflies, all kinds of snakes, albino deer, and the list can go on and on. I did NOT capture, kill or shoot any of these species. The point is that they are out there, you just have to look. And the best time for viewing is at daybreak which right now is 4:30 AM.
Ishi

Bakersfield, CA

#7 Jun 27, 2010
Someone shake me please, I'm in a daze. Who pays these morons to do these things and I am including the writer of the this so called story.
Ex Chico Resident

Anchorage, AK

#8 Jun 27, 2010
Farmer wrote:
Wow, she got to see a beetle or two. I have seen the ground crawling with these exact beetles at Irving Finch Park along the Sacramento River levee. Literally thousands of them. I don't know how any biologist could find any species as they drink their lattes down at Starbucks. Come on, folks. Time to quit this lie. There are millions of long horned elderberry beetles and they are FAR from extinct. They are shy, but very plentiful. So take the Elderberry bushes off the endangered species list and quit holding everyone hostage over false science.
But then again, if the truth were know, they would not be able to extort millions of dollars for this so-called habitat restoration gimmick as they try to 'save the environment for our grandchildren'. If you would live with nature like I do, you would find all kinds of species getting along just fine without interference from biological scientists. I know, I am just a farmer and I want to poison the land that I make my living off of.
Haha I totally agree! I have seen sooooooo many of these beetles 2 years ago and prior before I moved to Alaska. Shhhhh....we better not let out the secret!
Mark

Chico, CA

#9 Jun 27, 2010
Nice try people.

The bugs you are seeing are not the elderberry beetle.

This truly was a find. Nice job Michele.
Ex Chico Resident

Anchorage, AK

#10 Jun 27, 2010
Mark wrote:
Nice try people.
The bugs you are seeing are not the elderberry beetle.
This truly was a find. Nice job Michele.
Really? I don't remember you being with me when I would see them? What other beetle looks exactly similar to an elderberry beetle and hangs out by elderberry bushes?
Stormy

Chico, CA

#11 Jun 27, 2010
There is so much bad or discouraging news it is great to read an article like this one. It is encouraging to read about biological diversity the people who care about it. Of all the planets we know of this is the only one that has life. There may be life else where but even if there is life is extremely rare in the universe. To quote Randy Larsen "if they found a blade of crab grass on Mars it would be on the front of every major newspaper for a month but life we often take for granted life here on earth." I completely agree. The more time I spend on this planet the better I like the place!
Ishi

Bakersfield, CA

#12 Jun 27, 2010
Should of have squished it.
Farmer

United States

#13 Jun 28, 2010
Ex Chico Resident wrote:
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Really? I don't remember you being with me when I would see them? What other beetle looks exactly similar to an elderberry beetle and hangs out by elderberry bushes?
Same with me. I was curious what all the fuss was about with these beetles so I did quite a bit of research with photos and studies and then went to a workshop put on by one of these biologists. Two weeks after the workshop, I found thousands of them around elderberry plants. Looks like a beetle, crawls all over the plant like a beetle, must be a beetle.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#16 Jun 28, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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Hey there Farmer..looks like you've got Scientific Data. All entomologists will be interested in examining your data, as there are no populations on record having more than a few beetles.
Farmer, you've got an obligation now. You have data that contradicts extablished, peer reviewed studies. With your Data, you can help out all the landowners encumbered by this silly beetle.
If you indeed can show ANYPLACE where there are THOUSANDS of these beetles, you'd do a GREAT SERVICE to all Landowners in the Central Valley by PROVING the "lie" of limited populations.
That's how science works. It's open for EVERYOBODY.
Show USFWS your field site, your data and the thousands of beetles, and you'll contribute to its delisting.
Help us all out here. Show the scientists your THOUSANDS of beetles..I guarantee they will be REALLY IMPRESSED...seriously.
You've got population information/data that contradicts EVERYTING known about this species' meta-population dynamics.
Seriously, you can help landowners everywhere with your data.
You now have an obligation to your fellow citizens. Participate in the science, or SHUT TF UP.
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Way, I think most of those people confuse this elderberry beetle with those little orangy red bugs which you find running all over the driveway around this time of the year.
Try Common Sense

Chico, CA

#19 Jun 28, 2010
People commonly confuse the blah blah blah. Always pretending to be smart when we all know you haven't even a GED. If you do, prove it! C'mon how many times do I have to ask?

You know more about the bugs coming out of grandpas ash than you do on a plant. Who do you think you are fooling? You have Wikipedia hooked up to your mouth?

I bet your mother did your homework for you.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#20 Jun 28, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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People commonly confuse the Elderberry Longhorn Beetle (Desmocerus californicus dimorphus)with Western Box-Elder Bugs (Leptocoris rubrolineatus). They look similar but are not even remotely related...the former being a beetle (Order Coleoptera)..the latter a "True Bug" (Order Hemiptera)...It's an understandable mistake...but it IS a mistake.
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WAY,
You sure know your bugs, now if only we could figure out what it is that is bugging TCS.

Do mites infest cockroaches' butts?
Ex Chico Resident

Anchorage, AK

#23 Jun 28, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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Predictable, silly nonesense...that's the way they "Learn-em" at the FOX News Science Academy...where facts, truth and science are the real enemy.
I went around and around on this with Buster, months ago. You have no idea who I am, what I do for a living, and what my scientific-training is..you are content to shout out your blind, stupifying ****-umptions...again, again and again.
Rest assured, my work, my business and my scientific training all contribute to the good, affordable food that you stuff in your big, loud mouth.
Again, you're funny....haha.
Wow, "FOX News Scientist" is the best insult you could come up with? I don't know who here watches FOX, but I don't (that always seems to be a typical liberal-backed into-a-corner response to everyone though, for some reason...).

I've seen these beetles and you probably would too if you would step outside your box every once and a while.

Sorry I've seen them. You can "choose" to not believe me if you want to, but I have. A lot of people know most of the whole "threatened" species game is a sham. They use false "science" to make the numbers agree with them so the can keep their jobs and their program. If you are going to make fun of any "scientists" you should probably look at the ones who benefit economically when stats go their way.....just saying.
Steen

Brooklyn, NY

#25 Jun 28, 2010
Ex Chico Resident wrote:
I've seen these beetles and you probably would too if you would step outside your box every once and a while.
You could show us. A picture would be helpful.
Sorry I've seen them. You can "choose" to not believe me if you want to, but I have. A lot of people know most of the whole "threatened" species game is a sham.
Or you have a right-wing agenda of lying about environmental issues so you can plunder the earth. Yeah, we can make all sorts of assumptions.
They use false "science" to make the numbers agree with them so the can keep their jobs and their program.
That sounds a lot more like creationists, anti-global-warming lying nuts etc.
Ex Chico Resident

Anchorage, AK

#27 Jun 28, 2010
Steen wrote:
<quoted text>You could show us. A picture would be helpful.
<quoted text>Or you have a right-wing agenda of lying about environmental issues so you can plunder the earth. Yeah, we can make all sorts of assumptions.
<quoted text>That sounds a lot more like creationists, anti-global-warming lying nuts etc.
I don't have a business in plundering the earth, sorry. I spend a great deal of time outside and love nature, wildlife, the river, the air, etc. I don't want a species to go extinct and I also don't want a bunch of my money going to pay for some junk scientists and organizations that make a living by lying to impressionable people such as yourself.

I didn't take pics because I didn't know what a "big deal" these beetles supposedly were/are. And I'm not one of those people who only goes outside twice a year and takes pictures of every bug or animal I see. Every free moment I have I am outside either fishing, hiking, or riding my bike so I see animals and bugs all the time, so it's not a huge freak-out deal when I notice one. I just stop and enjoy it.

Seriously, why are you questioning me but not the "scientists" that benefit economically from making numbers agree with them? You don't realize how much you're being played right now by them and it's sad.:(
Ex Chico Resident

Anchorage, AK

#28 Jun 28, 2010
The Way It Is wrote:
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Here is my advice. You call United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS). Ask for the biologist dealing with VELB/permitting, tell them you've got a whole bunch of beetles, and observational data that demonstrates abundance, and you want them documented so that landowners and farmers can be rid of having to deal with it. Provide the scientific evidence for the delisting petition.
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
I don't care what you think, what you do, or who you are. If you want to talk FACTS and Science..I'm here and willing. I know a little something about entomology, biology and agriculture. I've spent over three decades working as a field scientist in the field of economic entomology and integrated pest management. I completely understand that you DO NOT BELIEVE ME..that's the way you anti-intellectuals are. You are threatened by facts, science, data and truth.
Again, if you want to talk science, biology, beetles, agriculture, I welcome the discussion.
If want you prefer is remaining in the dark, swallowing half-truths and outright BS from "Farmer" and TCS on Chico Threads..and your "friends" that's your choice too.
I couldn't care less....just saying.
For not caring less you sure wrote a novel.

I don't know if you read my posts but it should appear to you that I am no longer in California (thank God) and I didn't put beetles in a box and ship them up with me unfortunately, even if I did they would not get de-listed, trust me, I know how those scams go. My dad was good friends with someone being payed to study the Spotted Owl "problem" and talked about what a sham it was and how the number of owls fluctuates naturally with the population of field mice. He would make jokes about how the government is paying him to study something that is common sense. It's ridiculous.

Really, you should start to question people who benefit economically from flubbing numbers, not me.

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