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Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#41 May 22, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Back to the topic though; if Jesus said 'this is My body' and 'this is my blood', I can appreciate the CC stance that it 'is' by faith, not that it merely is symbolic. Since there is excellent Scriptural basis from the very words of Jesus Christ - I'm not going to say they are in error on that one!
And go back to John 6. In every other instance when Jesus knew who he was teaching didn't understand, he stopped an gave a parable or another way of teaching.

In John 6, what did he say. Stop the murmuring and didn't stop and tell them, hey don't get upset it was just a symbol. They said it was hard teaching and left.

Then God spoke to Peter and said you are the Messiah who have the words of everlasting life. What were those words that God gave only Peter the meaning of.

"Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you."

What did Jesus reply? Only my Father could have let you know this. The only time God spoke to one of the 12 and it was to show him this is not a symbol.
Dave P

Versailles, KY

#42 May 22, 2013
Bobby: You said:"Repent" meant to turn back and do what God said to do that you had avoided, denied, or somehow gone over and around without doing.

I was wondering how you might interpret the meaning of the word repent when scripture (some say Moses wrote genesis) said in the kjv: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Lots of things are going on here-maybe even a bad translation of the word repent.

BW: Good question. I haven't studied that out in the Hebrew version yet, but suspect it's possibly a less than perfect translation, or a different meaning of a word? I doubt it grieved Him less to offer up His only begotten Son to redeem us from sin and the evil one.

My Dad preached a sermon on this once, and we had quite a conversation about it. Faulty word translation, at least in the KJV.

Strong's says the word means "to sigh or breathe strongly; to be sorry, to pity, console, or rue."

I think it simply means God was sorry He made man. Not that He had any sin to turn from.
Dave P

Versailles, KY

#43 May 22, 2013
I don't believe any of us have a problem believing that Jesus is "with" us when we observe the Lords Supper, and that we are sharing in Him and His sacrifice for us. We literally believe this, but see it occurring in a spiritual way.

The problem we have is terms. I do agree with BW and Mike in many ways. Our difference is one simple thing-the transubstantiation idea. And the idea that Christ must be offered up for sins every day, when He made a once for all atonement for sin, being the perfect sacrifice. To me, putting those ideas together and believing it is close to, if not absolute, blasphemy.

If Jesus was the sinless Son of God, His blood is sufficient enough for a once for all sacrifice. To offer His blood up daily, sacrifice Him daily, is akin to crucifying Him again and again.
William

Sylacauga, AL

#44 May 22, 2013
Repent is a change of mind. God even repented in Exodus 32:14

And it wasn't over "sinning" or "turning from fleshly sins" as the Pentecostal preacher on the local tee-vee keeps yelling about constantly (in a known tongue, btw).

LOL
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#45 May 22, 2013
Dave P wrote:
I don't believe any of us have a problem believing that Jesus is "with" us when we observe the Lords Supper, and that we are sharing in Him and His sacrifice for us. We literally believe this, but see it occurring in a spiritual way.
The problem we have is terms. I do agree with BW and Mike in many ways. Our difference is one simple thing-the transubstantiation idea. And the idea that Christ must be offered up for sins every day, when He made a once for all atonement for sin, being the perfect sacrifice. To me, putting those ideas together and believing it is close to, if not absolute, blasphemy.
If Jesus was the sinless Son of God, His blood is sufficient enough for a once for all sacrifice. To offer His blood up daily, sacrifice Him daily, is akin to crucifying Him again and again.
The important to point out that the Body and Blood that is present in the Eucharist is not Christ crucified - it is Christ risen!

It is true that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was made once for all. It is also true that as Jesus is not physically present before the Eucharist (presanctified hosts in the tabernacle notwithstanding), we don't have any way of actually nailing Him to the cross - so we CAN'T "re-crucify" Him.

Instead, we believe that God sends the Holy Spirit upon the gifts to transubstantiate them; the priest is then able, standing in the place of Christ, to "re-present" Jesus' sacrifice to the Father. In this way, the sacrifice is not made again and again; instead, we join in the eternal sacrifice presented in Heaven.
Mike Peterson

United States

#46 May 28, 2013
Why don't protestants pray in Church the prayer Jesus said specifically said for us to pray.

"This is how you pray". I would think that is very important. I know they do before a football game in the locker room, but not at Church.

The only reason. They are Protesters. Catholics pray in Church like Jesus said.

It is umbilical to disobey Jesus isn't it?
mopman

United States

#47 May 28, 2013
The rc church uprising. You already done creed away and the webs of barn. Riflbo
Dave P

Versailles, KY

#48 May 28, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The important to point out that the Body and Blood that is present in the Eucharist is not Christ crucified - it is Christ risen!
It is true that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was made once for all. It is also true that as Jesus is not physically present before the Eucharist (presanctified hosts in the tabernacle notwithstanding), we don't have any way of actually nailing Him to the cross - so we CAN'T "re-crucify" Him.
Instead, we believe that God sends the Holy Spirit upon the gifts to transubstantiate them; the priest is then able, standing in the place of Christ, to "re-present" Jesus' sacrifice to the Father. In this way, the sacrifice is not made again and again; instead, we join in the eternal sacrifice presented in Heaven.
Jesus said the importance is in remembrance of Him. Paul said the importance was proclaiming His death until He comes again.

Can't recrucify Him or make His blood worthless? Guess the Hebrew writer was wrong. Also guess the catholic writers who call the mass a SACRIFICE were mistaken too.

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#49 May 29, 2013
mopman wrote:
The rc church uprising. You already done creed away and the webs of barn. Riflbo
I’m still here. I jump in to read a few comments at times.

The RCC sets traditions above scripture. They give "the church" authority is does not have.
Mike Peterson

United States

#50 May 29, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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I’m still here. I jump in to read a few comments at times.
The RCC sets traditions above scripture. They give "the church" authority is does not have.
Church = The Bible + Tradition (taught in the Bible)+ the Magisterium.

There is nothing in the Bible, in context, that contradicts the Bible. How can it?

Jesus, from his own mouth, said that the Church is the pillar of Truth

Did he say the interpreters of a book which is the written word of God were the pillars of Truth.

Since: Jul 11

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#51 May 29, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Church = The Bible + Tradition (taught in the Bible)+ the Magisterium.
There is nothing in the Bible, in context, that contradicts the Bible. How can it?
Jesus, from his own mouth, said that the Church is the pillar of Truth
Did he say the interpreters of a book which is the written word of God were the pillars of Truth.
You’re a History buff. Tell me when the "Hail Marys" began.

"Hail, Holy Queen"?????????? When in History did this start?

Since: Jul 11

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#52 May 29, 2013
"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him: "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."

But Jesus said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28

Here we have Jesus pointing people away from Mary worship. Jesus said:“blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

Jesus would really put to rest this bowing down to idols, icons and images of Jesus, Mary and the apostles, kissing the feet of the statues and praying to them, if He were on earth now.

Since: Jul 11

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#53 May 29, 2013
What do you believe the 2nd commandment to be about? Speaking of this: was the 2nd commandment deleted/omitted from the Catholic Bible?
Dave P

Versailles, KY

#54 May 29, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him: "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."
But Jesus said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28
Here we have Jesus pointing people away from Mary worship. Jesus said:“blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”
Jesus would really put to rest this bowing down to idols, icons and images of Jesus, Mary and the apostles, kissing the feet of the statues and praying to them, if He were on earth now.
One of these days He will. I think a reading of Revelation 17 and 18 shows that false religious systems are the harlot, the mother of harlots and the abominations of the earth. Eventually the world political powers turn on the harlot and destroy her. All of the false religious systems will eventually be destroyed-and when Christ returns He has even asked the question- "When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"
Mike Peterson

Atlanta, GA

#55 May 29, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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You’re a History buff. Tell me when the "Hail Marys" began.
"Hail, Holy Queen"?????????? When in History did this start?
Hail Mary, Direct from the Bible.

[The RSVCE translates kecharitomene ("favored one" above) as "full of grace"]

Luke 1:28 "And he [the angel Gabriel] came to her [Mary] and said,'Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.'"
Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#56 May 30, 2013
Do you abide in Christ? I do.

Very plain words. To interpret any other way that what way it is written is making a twizzler out these verses

John 15:4

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

John 6:56
He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Do you eat his flesh and drink his blood? Do you abide in him and him in you.?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#57 May 30, 2013
"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him: "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."

But Jesus said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#58 May 30, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him: "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."
But Jesus said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28
Amen. Hear the word of God and not read it. Jesus never talked about writing anything.

Do you call Blessed Mary blessed? The Bible commands you to.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#59 Jun 3, 2013
Do you know Jesus? The spells exactly how you can know him.

Luke 24:

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But they urged him,“Stay with us, for it is nearly evening and the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30
And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them.
31
With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight.
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Then they said to each other,“Were not our hearts burning [within us] while he spoke to us on the way and opened the scriptures to us?”
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So they set out at once and returned to Jerusalem where they found gathered together the eleven and those with them
34
who were saying,“The Lord has truly been raised and has appeared to Simon!”q
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Then the two recounted what had taken place on the way and how he was made known to them in the breaking of the bread.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#60 Jun 3, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
Do you know Jesus? The spells exactly how you can know him.
Luke 24:
29
But they urged him,“Stay with us, for it is nearly evening and the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30
And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them.
31
With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight.
32
Then they said to each other,“Were not our hearts burning [within us] while he spoke to us on the way and opened the scriptures to us?”
33
So they set out at once and returned to Jerusalem where they found gathered together the eleven and those with them
34
who were saying,“The Lord has truly been raised and has appeared to Simon!”q
35
Then the two recounted what had taken place on the way and how he was made known to them in the breaking of the bread.
It is ridiculous how you tie an event to you doctrine. The breaking of bread did not reveal Jesus. Jesus revealed it to them by his spoken words. What did they believe? it was not that the bread and wine was to become the body and blood of Christ.

The subject at hand was that as a result of Christs resurrection they finally truly believed that he was indeed the Christ-then they remembered what Jesus had said at the last supper that he would die and become the passover lamb. The passover lambs were never raised from the dead but Jesus was. It is all about Jesus being the lamb of God whose blood is shed for the forgiveness of sin. It is our sins that is responsible for the death of Jesus-it is for our forgiveness that he died. His death and shed blood would mean nothing without his Resurrection.

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