Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#1 Apr 2, 2013


Some here may be following 'revelations' of what is behind the destruction of life as we've known it in past decades - particularly those of us who remember before the Viet Nam conflict, when life had a normalsy about it and we seemed to have a voice in our government - good old 'American Values'.

This video is about education destruction and how the plans go back to near the founding of our nation. If you've read 'Apollyon Rising 2012 you'll enjoy this added info.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#2 Apr 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6eKGmd9sBwMXX
Some here may be following 'revelations' of what is behind the destruction of life as we've known it in past decades - particularly those of us who remember before the Viet Nam conflict, when life had a normalsy about it and we seemed to have a voice in our government - good old 'American Values'.
This video is about education destruction and how the plans go back to near the founding of our nation. If you've read 'Apollyon Rising 2012 you'll enjoy this added info.
I have heard this one before, I do believe there is truth there. Older people, especially Christians are more likely to connect the dots. I can see clearly where the government has taken over the education of our children while taking power away from the parents. I also believe this is at the root of our declining churches. There is definitely a war against christianity.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#3 Apr 3, 2013
For years it seemed that corporations were being empowered more and more, and then the whole thing about the non profit foundations to better education and other things - this was an eye-opener for me that put a lot of things together.

Glad we have some agreement on this one:-)
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#4 Apr 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
For years it seemed that corporations were being empowered more and more, and then the whole thing about the non profit foundations to better education and other things - this was an eye-opener for me that put a lot of things together.
Glad we have some agreement on this one:-)
Here is a list of top 100 non profit organizations in the US. Surely not all of them are suspect. How do we tell the difference?

#1 on the list is National Public Radio - NPR which I believe is a bad apple. And then down the list there is aarp. We as seniors are taught to believe that everything that goes on there is for our benefit. I believe many seniors are captured into bondage with this one also. We are taught to believe we need them and they are looking out for us. They are nothing but an arm for big brother to create a large voting block while creating dependence.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#5 Apr 3, 2013
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#6 Apr 3, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Here is a list of top 100 non profit organizations in the US. Surely not all of them are suspect. How do we tell the difference?
#1 on the list is National Public Radio - NPR which I believe is a bad apple. And then down the list there is aarp. We as seniors are taught to believe that everything that goes on there is for our benefit. I believe many seniors are captured into bondage with this one also. We are taught to believe we need them and they are looking out for us. They are nothing but an arm for big brother to create a large voting block while creating dependence.
Agree about AARP. mother in law gets their magazine. Seems a voting tool for the democrat party. One issue spoke of how great obamacare will be for seniors, GOP trying to take benefits, etc. Same old media junk.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#7 Apr 5, 2013
Yeah. We've been with AARP for a while and also looked at the 'Christian' alternative as well. It disappoints me to hear sermons that equate the good ol' USA with godliness and such - especially since reading Apollyon Rising 2012, but even more since watching the video on education destruction.

The prevailing use of computers in education and its effects on the childrens abilities almost makes me wish computers would just go away....

Imagine a world where people were accountable, a world where computer programs didn't control the economy and where banks were finacial institutions that were honest and didn't gample with others money. The judge finding that when we put our money in a bank for safe keeping actually makes our money their property is about as corrupt as the world has ever been. Even Rome wasn't that bad - and I doubt Babylon was either!;-)
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#8 Apr 5, 2013
It's a sign of the times we are living in. The church is in decline for good reason.The war against Christianity is heating up. I have seen dramatic changes in moral values in the last 40 years. Atheism is growing and the reason is science. I sense that science is somehow connected to the new world order.

When elementary age school children come home telling their parents there is no God, we know someone besides the parents are controlling their thoughts.

This video is troubling because it is becoming all to common:

Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#9 Apr 5, 2013
Then, the flipside is that most of us on these threads claim to have a strong faith in God but we are here arguing with each other while the world is going to hell. Maybe we should be spending more of our time trying to be the servants God called us to be.

For these reasons I will be spending less time here.
mopman

United States

#10 Apr 5, 2013
Are u the liar or that heath
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#11 Apr 5, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Then, the flipside is that most of us on these threads claim to have a strong faith in God but we are here arguing with each other while the world is going to hell. Maybe we should be spending more of our time trying to be the servants God called us to be.
For these reasons I will be spending less time here.
Yeah, that's something to think about - if we have anything constuctive to consider and share, or if we are just deconstructing what good that is still extant. Hope less just means less and not going away completely!:-)

Talk to you later...but think of it - us retired guys need to be able to sit around and talk about things since we don't have to be at work all day anymore:-)
Dave P

Clarkesville, GA

#12 Apr 5, 2013
Agree with both of you gentlemen, BW and Bobby. The country is in trouble and here we sit bickering. I believe an hour of testing is about to come upon the American religious system, and that very quickly. I honestly thought we had a few more years, but things seem to be accelerating quickly now. After gay marriage is legalized, I believe we see the war on faith really begin in earnest. Will the coc stand up for religious liberty and freedom to preach the truth on homosexuality, or will they be happy that some evil denoms get shut down for refusing to bow? I think we should all be spiritually prepared for what may be coming-and praying to God that it may not be so.

I have also thought about slowing down on here too. I will finish my instrument study up pretty quickly, then slow down a bit as well. Something you should think about though Bobby. Barnsweb is right. Social media can be a good thing. Old guys sitting around talking about the basics of faith we agree on and joining together can be a powerful thing. Don't give it up entirely. Some of us younger guys enjoy talking to the older ones ;)

And, there still is a time and place to contend for the faith. At least for now.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#13 Apr 5, 2013
We have some differences Dave, but we have a lot in common regarding our desire to serve the Lord to the best we know.

Having worked in California about 40 years for the State - I'll have to give a word of caution regarding the 'hot topic' differences being foisted on the world. The enemy loves nothing more than to incite to a level they can then use as a charge against a person of faith. As we are told, be innocent to sin, but wise to its methods.

If one just sticks to the need to obey God rather than man - refusing to bite on a particular point - but rather bring up other points you know they cannot argue with about the faith, that those things are what matters most. Let them be the ones baiting, rebaiting, re-rebating, and getting frustrated in their attempt to make charges of bigotry of prejedice on a particular hot topic social issue - but a Christian should take the 'high road' of conduct that is indisputable to the enemy. Things like justice, mercy and truth; love for fellow man, caring about the poor or downtrodden, homeless or orphans and widows; living a life that is honest to the boss and giving a good days work - as you would if working for the Lord Himself.

Jesus said we should live a life that will cause the accusers to give God the glory He deserves when the day of accountability comes.

When we get bogged down with public displays to prove we are against certain sins, that helps their causes. If we instead uphold the goodness of what we do with our lives and family values - and just leave the matter there - how can they fault someone for doing good?

Those of faith would better serve God by realizing the Torah was not nailed to the cross and what God has called an abomination 5000 years ago is still an abomination in His eyes. Christians would do well to realize fornication and adultry are in the same boat - and how many of them have been guilty of such sin? A number of Pastors and Ministers are just as sinful in God's eyes...let alone membership.

We need to return do love Jesus as He said we should.

John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing, but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you."

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."
Jesus gave hundreds of teachings, and each has important lessons in our discipleship to Him. Surely Jesus came to manifest the righteousness, grace, mercy, promises, will and truth of God so that we have reason and hope in our faith.
In Micah 6:7,8 we are told:

"Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams,
Ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God?"

Surely Jesus came to show us exactly what these things mean: to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with our God and our fellow man.

John 8: 31,32; "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

We need to hang in there and strenthen what remains.

Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#14 Apr 5, 2013
After 40 years the the State of California, one of the greatest promoters of social change, I'll just caution that we have no need to take the bait on certain social hot topics. Rather than take the bait to condemn certain sin as sin - recall that we are called to live above the world and not dive into arguments. Rather, answer good things we believe to do that are irrefutable; things like honesty, hard work, love of our fellow man - especially those not able to fend for themselves.

Find good answers and use the opportunity to express those things, that they not be able to make charges of prejudice or bigotry against Christians. And do recall there are sinners in the Church, that we all fall short, but we also have equal opportunity to do the good we can.

Be like a politician in an interview. Rather than answering the question posed, use the opportunity to say what you want to say - but make it something God would be happy that you said:-) that on the day of accounting, He will get the glory for the good He has helped us do in life.

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."

Jesus gave hundreds of teachings, and each has important lessons in our discipleship to Him. We are not to be hearers only, but doers of His word. Surely Jesus came to manifest the righteousness, grace, mercy, promises, will and truth of God so that we have reason and hope in our faith.

In Micah 6:7,8 we are told:

"Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams,
Ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God?"

Surely Jesus came to show us exactly what these things mean: to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with our God and our fellow man.

John 8: 31,32; "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#15 Apr 5, 2013
What's up with Topix? First it 'eats' my post, then it shows up a while later?!!

Sorry about the double post - just pick one to read:-)
Dave P

Clarkesville, GA

#16 Apr 5, 2013
Points well taken. Absolutely agree.

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