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Must We Understand The Purpose Of Baptism?

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#1 Apr 13, 2012
Many contend that their baptism is valid although it was not done purposely for remission of sins. Admittedly, this is something I struggle to fully grasp, but it does seem to be what the bible teaches.

The following verses have purpose:

Mark 16:16 - Baptism is required in order to be saved.

Acts 2:38 - Baptism is for (in order to receive) remission of sins.

1 Peter 3:21 - Baptism saves us.

Galatians 3:27 - We are baptized into Christ.

Romans 6:3 - We are baptized into Jesus' death.

Acts 22:16 - Be baptized and wash away your sins.

In Mark 16:16, Jesus states that in order for one to be saved, he must be baptized. This means one is baptized understanding that the outcome will result in being saved.

Peter is equally clear on this in Acts 2. He obviously was following the orders of Jesus when he said repent and BE BAPTIZED in order to obtain remission of sins.

And, on another occasion, Peter says BAPTISM SAVES. Not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an answer of a good conscience. Then he states,“it saves by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” Again, baptism has purpose – it saves by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Paul says we are baptized into Christ ( Gal 3:27 ) even into Jesus’ death ( Rom 6:3 ). This same Paul was baptized with purpose to have his sins washed away by the Blood of Jesus Christ ( Acts 22:16 )
Barnsweb

Copperopolis, CA

#2 Apr 13, 2012
What if we believe what Billy Graham says about baptism, instead of what Peter said by the Spirit?

Jesus said to be careful WHO we hear/listen to.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#3 Apr 13, 2012
Can we be saved without spirit baptism?

Do we have to understand the purpose of spirit baptism before it is valid?
Barnsweb

Copperopolis, CA

#4 Apr 13, 2012
If the Spirit is the Spirit of truth and testifies of Jesus Christ - does a spirit that teaches against the needfulness of what Jesus said - can that Spirit be the Holy Spirit?

How do you test the Spirit to know it is the Spirit and not a deceiving spirit that denies the promise and commandments of God?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#5 Apr 13, 2012
Barnsweb wrote:
If the Spirit is the Spirit of truth and testifies of Jesus Christ - does a spirit that teaches against the needfulness of what Jesus said - can that Spirit be the Holy Spirit?
How do you test the Spirit to know it is the Spirit and not a deceiving spirit that denies the promise and commandments of God?
What if a spirit/man teaches us to keep the sabbath but he himself cannot or does not keep it?

“Regina A Steele Marrs”

Since: Jun 11

Big Rock,Va

#6 Apr 15, 2012
Someone also failed to mention, also to be Baptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38.

Can one receive the Holy Ghost without Baptism? Seems only Corneilus was able to do this and his household.

The question remains, was John's Baptism sufficent enough for the Apostles and 109 other people on Pentecost ( whom we have no record of their reBaptism). But we find others who were rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost (John's Disciples). Was it because the Apostles and the 109 people on Pentecost had heard of the Holy Ghost and did not need rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost?

There are people today, who have heard of the Holy Ghost, but are required to be Baptized for remission of sins, but no mention of requirement for Baptism of the Holy Ghost.( As most teach, we receive the Holy Ghost, at Baptism, but the Bible does not confirm this).
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#7 Apr 15, 2012
regina steele marrs wrote:
Someone also failed to mention, also to be Baptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38.
Can one receive the Holy Ghost without Baptism? Seems only Corneilus was able to do this and his household.
The question remains, was John's Baptism sufficent enough for the Apostles and 109 other people on Pentecost ( whom we have no record of their reBaptism). But we find others who were rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost (John's Disciples). Was it because the Apostles and the 109 people on Pentecost had heard of the Holy Ghost and did not need rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost?
There are people today, who have heard of the Holy Ghost, but are required to be Baptized for remission of sins, but no mention of requirement for Baptism of the Holy Ghost.( As most teach, we receive the Holy Ghost, at Baptism, but the Bible does not confirm this).
Regina, I do not believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration. However I can see that you have a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us. Also, I do not believe it is necessary for us to fully understand every detail of the presence of the Spirit living in us. SW is on the far left extreme and you seem to be far to the right of SW. I believe I am somewhere in the middle. We receive the Spirit at the point of faith/salvation because we are regenerated/made new by the Holy Spirit. We also have gifts of the Spirit but they are for everyone just as the he chooses. I do not believe in a secondary gift of the spirit. That said, I can easily accept you as a Christian.

Since: Jul 11

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#8 Apr 15, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Regina, I do not believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration. However I can see that you have a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us. Also, I do not believe it is necessary for us to fully understand every detail of the presence of the Spirit living in us. SW is on the far left extreme and you seem to be far to the right of SW. I believe I am somewhere in the middle. We receive the Spirit at the point of faith/salvation because we are regenerated/made new by the Holy Spirit. We also have gifts of the Spirit but they are for everyone just as the he chooses. I do not believe in a secondary gift of the spirit. That said, I can easily accept you as a Christian.
Good ol' Bobby, always lukewarm and (admittedly) in the middle and on the safe side. Mrs. Marrs doesn't have a CLUE about the Holy Spirit, and for you to concur with what she says, explains why you don't have much of a clue either.

If you're looking to make more friends by agreeing with her, you're not going to do it, because guess what Bobby: she doesn't go to YOUR church, she doesn't believe in YOUR denomination, and she doesn't believe in YOUR doctrine. As much as you want to think so, you two are NOT on the same page.

I think it's funny that you "accept" her as a Christian. Even more funny, considering you doubt others' Christianity from a distance. So, now your psychic ability tells you, not only that I am NOT a Christian and what I am NOT doing in worship, but that (from a distance) Mrs. Marrs IS a Christian? Wow. You're some piece of work. Let me ask you: did anyone in the Bible outside of Jesus KNOW what people were doing from a distance? And if so, do you equate yourself with them?

By the way, do you mind if I call you Mr. Lukewarm? Or how about Mr. Psychic? Or how about Mr. Lukewarm Psychic? Or LP for short?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#9 Apr 15, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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Good ol' Bobby, always lukewarm and (admittedly) in the middle and on the safe side. Mrs. Marrs doesn't have a CLUE about the Holy Spirit, and for you to concur with what she says, explains why you don't have much of a clue either.
If you're looking to make more friends by agreeing with her, you're not going to do it, because guess what Bobby: she doesn't go to YOUR church, she doesn't believe in YOUR denomination, and she doesn't believe in YOUR doctrine. As much as you want to think so, you two are NOT on the same page.
I think it's funny that you "accept" her as a Christian. Even more funny, considering you doubt others' Christianity from a distance. So, now your psychic ability tells you, not only that I am NOT a Christian and what I am NOT doing in worship, but that (from a distance) Mrs. Marrs IS a Christian? Wow. You're some piece of work. Let me ask you: did anyone in the Bible outside of Jesus KNOW what people were doing from a distance? And if so, do you equate yourself with them?
By the way, do you mind if I call you Mr. Lukewarm? Or how about Mr. Psychic? Or how about Mr. Lukewarm Psychic? Or LP for short?
Call me anything you like, I know you are going to anyway. Btw, we are about to meet with our home church group-try it you might like it:)

I wish you could understand that I am not your enemy. We both have the same enemy, he seeks to steal, to kill and to destroy. We are just sojourners on this earth and we all have an expiration date-this life is temporary...

“Regina A Steele Marrs”

Since: Jun 11

Big Rock,Va

#10 Apr 15, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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Good ol' Bobby, always lukewarm and (admittedly) in the middle and on the safe side. Mrs. Marrs doesn't have a CLUE about the Holy Spirit, and for you to concur with what she says, explains why you don't have much of a clue either.
If you're looking to make more friends by agreeing with her, you're not going to do it, because guess what Bobby: she doesn't go to YOUR church, she doesn't believe in YOUR denomination, and she doesn't believe in YOUR doctrine. As much as you want to think so, you two are NOT on the same page.
I think it's funny that you "accept" her as a Christian. Even more funny, considering you doubt others' Christianity from a distance. So, now your psychic ability tells you, not only that I am NOT a Christian and what I am NOT doing in worship, but that (from a distance) Mrs. Marrs IS a Christian? Wow. You're some piece of work. Let me ask you: did anyone in the Bible outside of Jesus KNOW what people were doing from a distance? And if so, do you equate yourself with them?
By the way, do you mind if I call you Mr. Lukewarm? Or how about Mr. Psychic? Or how about Mr. Lukewarm Psychic? Or LP for short?
You may make fun of me all you want to do Sir.

But I will advise you....leave the working of the Holy Ghost alone.Whether you agree with me or not....it is not your right to judge what is wrong or rigt.

Our denomination has a Bible based belief on the workings of the Holy Ghost, and follow this closely.

Luke 9:49-50
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in your name; and we forbade him, because he follows not with us.

And Jesus said to him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Since: Jul 11

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#11 Apr 15, 2012
regina steele marrs wrote:
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You may make fun of me all you want to do Sir.
But I will advise you....leave the working of the Holy Ghost alone.Whether you agree with me or not....it is not your right to judge what is wrong or rigt.
Our denomination has a Bible based belief on the workings of the Holy Ghost, and follow this closely.
Luke 9:49-50
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in your name; and we forbade him, because he follows not with us.
And Jesus said to him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
If you have a problem, it's with God's word, not me.

“Regina A Steele Marrs”

Since: Jun 11

Big Rock,Va

#12 Apr 15, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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If you have a problem, it's with God's word, not me.
I personally do not have a problem with God's word.

The problem is this....every statement I have made. Whether in someone's else's topix or yours... you have attacked me over every little thing and belittled me in front of others.

I have not called you names and have never called you a charlatan and a liar on here. I may not agree with what you espouse and wonder why you write somethings ( and do not follow what you teach), but in your attacks on other people on this thread. You have yet to call them names and belittle them, to the point you have me (a fact).

You could not grasp the questions I asked, even the simple ones. The statements I made , were in regards to water Based Salvation and receiving the Holy Ghost. Though water based salvation is good , it is not perfect in the way people protray it today. The denial of the indwelling of the Holy Ghost is denied today (only the Apostles could impart this gift, according to some). I made the points of different ways of receiving it and why it can still be received today.

But in eagerness to destroy someone's opinions...you've looked beyond the questions and saw no answers.
Whether there is no record of the Apostles being Baptized or the 109 receiving the Holy Ghost. No one answered , whether they did later on and why it was later on, they received the Holy Ghost.No one mentioned, that the 109 had heard the messages Jesus preached about the Holy Ghost and didn't nee hands laid upon them to receive it. This is all conjecture in part, it is a basis of many denominations who have a water based salvation plan. My denomination, has a repentance based salvation plan and then water Baptism.

So here is another chance of you attacking me again and calling me names and making fun of my interpertation of scriptures (I have been called worse and treated worse then words can imagine). I was raised in foster care homes until 18yrs old and molested as a child , I have been beatened for being Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38). I have been been brought in front of churches and told to renounce my beliefs about my denomination and I never waivered. So let it be known SW, what you have called me is nothing to what I have suffered for Jesus, and what I have endured was because of my belief in Jesus Christ. No man/woman/child on earth can take this from me.

So google an answer and attack away...this woman has endured more then you can throw at me.

So if you have a problem with me...tell God on me.

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#13 Apr 16, 2012
regina steele marrs wrote:
<quoted text>
I personally do not have a problem with God's word.
The problem is this....every statement I have made. Whether in someone's else's topix or yours... you have attacked me over every little thing and belittled me in front of others.
I have not called you names and have never called you a charlatan and a liar on here. I may not agree with what you espouse and wonder why you write somethings ( and do not follow what you teach), but in your attacks on other people on this thread. You have yet to call them names and belittle them, to the point you have me (a fact).
You could not grasp the questions I asked, even the simple ones. The statements I made , were in regards to water Based Salvation and receiving the Holy Ghost. Though water based salvation is good , it is not perfect in the way people protray it today. The denial of the indwelling of the Holy Ghost is denied today (only the Apostles could impart this gift, according to some). I made the points of different ways of receiving it and why it can still be received today.
But in eagerness to destroy someone's opinions...you've looked beyond the questions and saw no answers.
Whether there is no record of the Apostles being Baptized or the 109 receiving the Holy Ghost. No one answered , whether they did later on and why it was later on, they received the Holy Ghost.No one mentioned, that the 109 had heard the messages Jesus preached about the Holy Ghost and didn't nee hands laid upon them to receive it. This is all conjecture in part, it is a basis of many denominations who have a water based salvation plan. My denomination, has a repentance based salvation plan and then water Baptism.
So here is another chance of you attacking me again and calling me names and making fun of my interpertation of scriptures (I have been called worse and treated worse then words can imagine). I was raised in foster care homes until 18yrs old and molested as a child , I have been beatened for being Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38). I have been been brought in front of churches and told to renounce my beliefs about my denomination and I never waivered. So let it be known SW, what you have called me is nothing to what I have suffered for Jesus, and what I have endured was because of my belief in Jesus Christ. No man/woman/child on earth can take this from me.
So google an answer and attack away...this woman has endured more then you can throw at me.
So if you have a problem with me...tell God on me.
If you have a problem, it's with God's word, not me.
Randy

Axton, VA

#14 Apr 16, 2012
regina steele marrs wrote:
Someone also failed to mention, also to be Baptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38.
Can one receive the Holy Ghost without Baptism? Seems only Corneilus was able to do this and his household.
The question remains, was John's Baptism sufficent enough for the Apostles and 109 other people on Pentecost ( whom we have no record of their reBaptism). But we find others who were rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost (John's Disciples). Was it because the Apostles and the 109 people on Pentecost had heard of the Holy Ghost and did not need rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost?
There are people today, who have heard of the Holy Ghost, but are required to be Baptized for remission of sins, but no mention of requirement for Baptism of the Holy Ghost.( As most teach, we receive the Holy Ghost, at Baptism, but the Bible does not confirm this).
You said: Someone also failed to mention, also to be Baptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38.

Re: The verse actually says the GIFT of the Holy Spirit. The question is, what exactly is the GIFT? Reception of the Holy Spirit? Possibly. Salvation? Possibly. You are correct though. Repentance and baptism are for the purpose of remission of sins and the GIFT of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for agreing on this.

You said: Can one receive the Holy Ghost without Baptism? Seems only Corneilus was able to do this and his household.

Re: This has been addressed many times. You just will not accept it.

You said: The question remains, was John's Baptism sufficent enough for the Apostles and 109 other people on Pentecost ( whom we have no record of their reBaptism). But we find others who were rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost (John's Disciples). Was it because the Apostles and the 109 people on Pentecost had heard of the Holy Ghost and did not need rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost?

Re: This too, has been addressed.

You said: There are people today, who have heard of the Holy Ghost, but are required to be Baptized for remission of sins, but no mention of requirement for Baptism of the Holy Ghost.( As most teach, we receive the Holy Ghost, at Baptism, but the Bible does not confirm this).

Re: The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a thread you should start. Must one speak in tongues as evidence of this? If so, wonder if Bobby and others will agree?
Randy

Axton, VA

#15 Apr 16, 2012
regina steele marrs wrote:
Someone also failed to mention, also to be Baptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38.
Can one receive the Holy Ghost without Baptism? Seems only Corneilus was able to do this and his household.
The question remains, was John's Baptism sufficent enough for the Apostles and 109 other people on Pentecost ( whom we have no record of their reBaptism). But we find others who were rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost (John's Disciples). Was it because the Apostles and the 109 people on Pentecost had heard of the Holy Ghost and did not need rebaptized, in order to receive the Holy Ghost?
There are people today, who have heard of the Holy Ghost, but are required to be Baptized for remission of sins, but no mention of requirement for Baptism of the Holy Ghost.( As most teach, we receive the Holy Ghost, at Baptism, but the Bible does not confirm this).
Bobby said: Regina, I do not believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration. However I can see that you have a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us.

Randy: Isn’t this a contradictory statement? She is wrong in regards to the Holy Spirit ( the baptism of the Holy Spirit ) but she has a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us. Huh??? What??

Bobby: I do not believe in a secondary gift of the spirit. That said, I can easily accept you as a Christian.

Randy: So, you believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a FALSE teaching, but its okay….she still is a Christian. Huh? If she is teaching error, shouldn’t you correct her and demand she repent from such a teaching? If she fails to repent from her false teaching, this is okay with you? WOW! Mant times this Baptism of the Holy Spirit that is done in these type of Churches have falling in the Spirit, tongues, jumping around, dancing, laughing in the Spirit, and other things tied to it. You are going to direct Regina to the truth, right? If she doesn’t heed your advice, then what? You just say ist all okay……really? Would Jesus correct her? If she didn’t follow Jesus” correction, would she be a FOLLOWER of Him?

Since: May 10

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#16 Apr 16, 2012
Bobby wrote:
Can we be saved without spirit baptism?
Do we have to understand the purpose of spirit baptism before it is valid?
When you realize the difference in spirit baptism (as you call it) and water baptism (As the bible speaks of) you know the answer.:)
Randy

Axton, VA

#17 Apr 16, 2012
Can one repent and not know the purpose? All on here KNOW that repentance is done in order that remission of sins be received. When Peter commanded repentance for remission of sins in Acts 2, everyone on here understands the purpose. Guess what? Peter also says baptism is for the very same purpose. And, lest not forget Paul. He was sent to a mere man to be told what he MUST do. When Saul was baptized, it was for what??? To have __________washed away. You mean Jesus sent Saul to a mere man to be baptized in water in order that his sins be forgiven by His Blood. YES!!! If Jesus expected this of Saul, who btw way prayed for days, will Jesus accept some sinners prayer today? NO!!! I fear this sinners prayer-accept Jesus in your heart stuff has deceived MANY sincere souls. Matter of fact, I know it has. The gospel plan of salvation has been perverted and made into something Jesus never authorized. And everyone seems fine with this as if Jesus’ plan for mankind means nothing. As if Jesus will accept OUR man-made plans of salvation.

Since: Jul 11

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#18 Apr 16, 2012
Randy wrote:
<quoted text>
Bobby said: Regina, I do not believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration. However I can see that you have a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us.
Randy: Isn’t this a contradictory statement? She is wrong in regards to the Holy Spirit ( the baptism of the Holy Spirit ) but she has a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us. Huh??? What??
Bobby: I do not believe in a secondary gift of the spirit. That said, I can easily accept you as a Christian.
Randy: So, you believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a FALSE teaching, but its okay….she still is a Christian. Huh? If she is teaching error, shouldn’t you correct her and demand she repent from such a teaching? If she fails to repent from her false teaching, this is okay with you? WOW! Mant times this Baptism of the Holy Spirit that is done in these type of Churches have falling in the Spirit, tongues, jumping around, dancing, laughing in the Spirit, and other things tied to it. You are going to direct Regina to the truth, right? If she doesn’t heed your advice, then what? You just say ist all okay……really? Would Jesus correct her? If she didn’t follow Jesus” correction, would she be a FOLLOWER of Him?
Bobby is doing his best version of Universalism, which in itself sounds good on paper, but when you break it down, it isn't good at all, nor Biblical. The Bible says:

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

Now, I'm 100% positive that NO ONE on here WANTS anyone to go to hell. But to strive to bring more people into God's fold by allowing any and all brands/strains/types of doctrine is useless at best, and heretical at worst.

Bobby is using the concept of "can't we all just get along?", and that concept just won't work in true Christianity. There are way too many verses condemning it. There is truth, and then there is "everything else", and "everything else" is not Biblical.

Christianity is not like going to a soda machine, where you put in your money and choose something. You don't just put in your "belief" and then choose which brand of "denomination" you want, the one you prefer, or your particular brand.

Christianity is not like some fast-food burger joint, where you walk through the door, place your order for the food you want, and get it. You don't just place your order with Jesus through belief, pick and choose which parts of the Bible and/or Biblical individuals you want to believe or denomination to join, and then walk out fat and happy.

Bobby, even though he "says" he accepts Mrs. Marrs as a Christian, would no more worship with her, in her denomination, and in her style, than he would any other denomination outside of his own. Bobby has his denomination, Mrs. Marrs has hers, and ne'er the twain shall meet. If if they were to worship together on a few occasions, eventually they would find something wrong with the others denomination, and there would be a split. It's bound and destined to happen.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#19 Apr 16, 2012
Randy wrote:
<quoted text>
Bobby said: Regina, I do not believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration. However I can see that you have a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us.
Randy: Isn’t this a contradictory statement? She is wrong in regards to the Holy Spirit ( the baptism of the Holy Spirit ) but she has a pretty good understanding of the Holy Spirit working in us. Huh??? What??
Bobby: I do not believe in a secondary gift of the spirit. That said, I can easily accept you as a Christian.
Randy: So, you believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a FALSE teaching, but its okay….she still is a Christian. Huh? If she is teaching error, shouldn’t you correct her and demand she repent from such a teaching? If she fails to repent from her false teaching, this is okay with you? WOW! Mant times this Baptism of the Holy Spirit that is done in these type of Churches have falling in the Spirit, tongues, jumping around, dancing, laughing in the Spirit, and other things tied to it. You are going to direct Regina to the truth, right? If she doesn’t heed your advice, then what? You just say ist all okay……really? Would Jesus correct her? If she didn’t follow Jesus” correction, would she be a FOLLOWER of Him?
Randy, I wish you could see that we all come from a fallen race, we are extremely disadvantaged from the beginning of our lives until Jesus returns again. This is why we need a perfect Savior, because none of us are. Believing in Jesus, being water baptized, receiving the Holy Spirit-none of these things makes us perfect as long as we are walking in the flesh. We may have the perfect forgiveness of Christ living in us, we may read and study the bible everyday, but we are all still a work in progress.

However, those who do not have the precious life giving blood of Jesus applied to their sin are even worse off, they have no hope and no life giving spirit working within them, they are still blind miserable and wicked with no hope.

Religious perfectionist look to a legal system or some unknown mathematical equation and instant perfection. However Faith in God brings us to a place where we can be changed on the inside and begin a brand new life. Children need to grow and mature, we do not expect them to be adults at 3 years old or even at 17.

Is there a perfect doctrine, yes , but it is not what you think it is. Pure religion is a religion of the heart. I know that I do not have perfect understanding/all knowledge and yet I have faith that God still loves me and is still working in my life. If I know that I fall short how can i condemn others who are seeking God. There are heresies that I cannot tolerate, they generally come from the unregenerate not a babe in Christ.

In short condensed form, I know there are many so called preachers who are not true Christians, but even there we must be careful not to overstep our boundaries because salvation belongs to the Lord. I don't want to reject someone he has accepted. For me Johnny falls in this category, but I am reluctant to say he is completely lost-I am not God.

Matt 9:36When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

We might see the same people and say they are worthless!

“Regina A Steele Marrs”

Since: Jun 11

Big Rock,Va

#20 Apr 16, 2012
Just like someone to jump on the bandwagon and rehash all the COC doctrine of ''absolute doctrine'' of everyone (but them being wrong).

Some have said I am wrong and post their opinions and do not address the facts.

You said: Can one receive the Holy Ghost without Baptism? Seems only Corneilus was able to do this and his household.

Re: This has been addressed many times. You just will not accept it.

In regards to this statement...there are still people in the world, who have not heard of the Holy Ghost (in third world countries). Your statement is, they receive the Holy Ghost at Baptism, my contention is this, why did they send for Apostles to lay hands upon people who needed the Holy Ghost(people who had not heard of the Promise).

Must a person speak with tongues in order to have the Holy Ghost. In the Bible ''everyone who received the Holy Ghost, spoke with tongues''. For clarification, there are three tongues, unknown tongues,other tongues , and diver kinds of tongues. Which tongue does the person who receives the Holy Ghost today , speak in?
If you believe the other tongues, to be languages, which new language have you began to speak in (chinese, russian,arabic, etc)?

Have you asked God for the Holy Ghost?

Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Which of the nine spiritual gifts are at work in the Church today?Or does the Body of Christ or the Church not need these gifts any more (since we've gotten bigger then God and not need them).

1 Corinthians 12:8-10
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

If a person receives the Holy Ghost at Baptism, when did they speak with other tongues? Why aren't the Church today, seeking after Spiritual gifts (as Paul instructed)?

If someone denies these scriptures and says we do't need them, why not tear these scriptures out and be done with them (and anything pertaining to the Holy Ghost). Since we've made Joel and Peter out to be a liar.

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