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#563 Jun 6, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Here is the answer that sums it up:

That's bible.
You have not admitted yet that you are infallible. I guess he say you are with this post.

You are summing up the Bible. Bobby, the pillar and foundation of truth.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#564 Jun 6, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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You have not admitted yet that you are infallible. I guess he say you are with this post.
You are summing up the Bible. Bobby, the pillar and foundation of truth.
William is absolutely correct, there is little difference between the catholic priestly order than the original Jewish priesthood.

Catholics cannot approach the throne of God without going through a priest.

Mike cannot accept the truth that Jesus is our direct mediator who lives in us and is our hope of glory.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#565 Jun 6, 2014
Col 1:26that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, 27to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ.Ö
William

Birmingham, AL

#566 Jun 6, 2014
Bobby wrote:
William is absolutely correct, there is little difference between the catholic priestly order than the original Jewish priesthood.

Catholics cannot approach the throne of God without going through a priest.
Same ceremonies, same rituals, same heirarchy of priests, same attitude toward tithing, same attitude toward works, and the same concept of having to have an interpretative book that the priest uses to "explain" the scriptures. The Catechism is the Catholic Talmud. Water baptism is the new circumcision. Gotta DO something with your flesh to be "identified" with God.

And all of this ain't just done by Catholics either. Spot any common themes?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#567 Jun 6, 2014
William wrote:
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Same ceremonies, same rituals, same heirarchy of priests, same attitude toward tithing, same attitude toward works, and the same concept of having to have an interpretative book that the priest uses to "explain" the scriptures. The Catechism is the Catholic Talmud. Water baptism is the new circumcision. Gotta DO something with your flesh to be "identified" with God.
And all of this ain't just done by Catholics either. Spot any common themes?
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#569 Jun 12, 2014
William wrote:
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A person that calls themselves a Jew today can be saved the exact same way that anyone else can be today: By trusting that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected for their justification. There is no distinction today for a person, and there hasn't been for almost 2,000 years. There is only one gospel in effect for today and that is the gospel given to the Apostle Paul for Jew, Gentile, Muslim, male, female, black, white, yellow or a little green man from Mars.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 outlines it. Romans elaborates on it. Ephesians and Colossians tell us what we already possess right now when we believe and trust it.
Complete forgiveness of sins based on what Christ did for us.
Sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.
Complete in Christ.
Same for a Jew today, same for us. Same for anyone. The ground is level at the cross.
William were the Jews saved the same way by the One Gospel at the first sermon? Will the Jews be allowed to come to Christ at the 1000yr reign that man dreamed up.

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#570 Jun 13, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>William were the Jews saved the same way by the One Gospel at the first sermon? Will the Jews be allowed to come to Christ at the 1000yr reign that man dreamed up.
We are already in that "1000" year reign. It started with the Church.

673 Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent,566 even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority."567. This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".568

674 The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles",572 will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".573

The Church's ultimate trial

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.578

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581

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#571 Jun 16, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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We are already in that "1000" year reign. It started with the Church.
673 Since the Ascension Christ's coming in glory has been imminent,566 even though "it is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority."567. This eschatological coming could be accomplished at any moment, even if both it and the final trial that will precede it are "delayed".568
674 The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles",572 will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all".573
The Church's ultimate trial
675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.578
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581
where did you paste all this from?

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#572 Jun 16, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>where did you paste all this from?
CCC

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...

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#573 Jun 16, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Just as I thought pasted from another document you created yet not from the bible since it is wrong.:)

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#574 Jun 16, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I thought pasted from another document you created yet not from the bible since it is wrong.:)
The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, isn't it. The Bible is profitable for teaching and was created 350 years after the Church began to help her teach.

God would have been pretty stupid to leave book in charge. Only 5% of the world could read at Jesus' time and that improved only to 10% when the printing press was invented in 1470. BTW that increase in reading ability was only because of the schools created by the CC.

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#575 Jun 17, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, isn't it. The Bible is profitable for teaching and was created 350 years after the Church began to help her teach.
God would have been pretty stupid to leave book in charge. Only 5% of the world could read at Jesus' time and that improved only to 10% when the printing press was invented in 1470. BTW that increase in reading ability was only because of the schools created by the CC.
Tell us if the church is the pillar and foundation of truth why do you keep quoting the written word? Why not allow your church to make sure all know the bible is nonsense, since it does not give your doctrine or your name yet you grab one verse and apply it to your theology. Then when we challenge that then you claim History of your group. Historically the Pharisees were before your group, so why are you not a Pharisee? At least they are listed in the book you wrote.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#576 Jun 17, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us if the church is the pillar and foundation of truth why do you keep quoting the written word? Why not allow your church to make sure all know the bible is nonsense, since it does not give your doctrine or your name yet you grab one verse and apply it to your theology. Then when we challenge that then you claim History of your group. Historically the Pharisees were before your group, so why are you not a Pharisee? At least they are listed in the book you wrote.
Because the Bible is the inerrant written Word of God. It is not the only Word of God because the Bible says so, but it is the inerrant written word of God.
Because the Church created the Bible in AD 390.
The CC believes everything in the Bible because she wrote it and created it.
There is not one thing in the Bible that she has not taught for 2000 years even, before the Bible came into existence.
Look up the 38 volume set of the writings. It will show just about everything written by all leading Christians for the first 800 years after Christ. That will show less than 1/2 of the Church's history and its beliefs.
Show me one person who wrote anything that relates to what you believe before 1800. You can't.
The Church records everything it does. The Vatican Library holds the some of rarest manuscripts in the world.
Isn't it bizarre that1600 years after the first Bible was created by the Church, you quote that book and think you know what it means?
And, all the other 40,000 protester communities think you are wrong and they are right. You are fighting over a Catholic book. A Catholic book.
Free. Learn some history. They had some between the time Jesus died and you learned to read.
https://ia600703.us.archive.org/7/items/Where...
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#577 Jun 17, 2014
The CC believes everything in the Bible because she wrote it and created it.

Mike, I would like to use a stronger derogatory term than this: But that is baloney. If you believed everything in the scripture you could not possibly remain a catholic.

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#578 Jun 17, 2014
Bobby wrote:
The CC believes everything in the Bible because she wrote it and created it.

Mike, I would like to use a stronger derogatory term than this: But that is baloney. If you believed everything in the scripture you could not possibly remain a catholic.
How was the Bible created according to you?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#579 Jun 17, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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How was the Bible created according to you?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Read that again "God breathed"

And if it is "God breathed" he is capable of keeping it pure. It turns my stomach when you try to take credit for the bible and by extension the very word of God.

First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

John was telling the church that each of them has the indwelling Holy Spirit- an anointing from God that is real and because of that they do not need anyone to teach them.

John wrote this while in exile on an island where there were no popes no ornate temples and no bible. There were however scripture being written-even from John. These letters and others like them were all over the place. It was from these scriptures that the first bible was compiled from.

Mike you have been lied to!

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#580 Jun 17, 2014
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Read that again "God breathed"

And if it is "God breathed" he is capable of keeping it pure. It turns my stomach when you try to take credit for the bible and by extension the very word of God.

First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

John was telling the church that each of them has the indwelling Holy Spirit- an anointing from God that is real and because of that they do not need anyone to teach them.

John wrote this while in exile on an island where there were no popes no ornate temples and no bible. There were however scripture being written-even from John. These letters and others like them were all over the place. It was from these scriptures that the first bible was compiled from.

Mike you have been lied to!
So you think God breathed the bibles to earth from heaven?

Bobby. How was the first Bible created after it came out of God's nose.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#581 Jun 17, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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So you think God breathed the bibles to earth from heaven?
Bobby. How was the first Bible created after it came out of God's nose.
You are full of arrogance. The difficulty in determining the biblical canon is that the Bible does not give us a list of the books that belong in the Bible. Determining the canon was a process conducted first by Jewish rabbis and scholars and later by early Christians. Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of Godís convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible. How difficult is this to understand? I guess it is pretty hard when you don't believe the bible.

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#582 Jun 18, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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You are full of arrogance. The difficulty in determining the biblical canon is that the Bible does not give us a list of the books that belong in the Bible. Determining the canon was a process conducted first by Jewish rabbis and scholars and later by early Christians. Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of Godís convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible. How difficult is this to understand? I guess it is pretty hard when you don't believe the bible.
No,. You want to get by easy with just BS. How was the first Bible created. There was a first Bible

Did God breathed on a empty book and the Bible was created? Just admit you have no clue and do some research.

I understand you really don't know and that is sad. The self teacher of the meaning of a book and you have absolutely no clue.

A book has Authority over you and you have no idea of its history.

I hate to bust your bubble but a bunch of Catholic leaders got together and decided on a wine and good food by voting on what scripture should be in the Bible.

They then appointed St Jerome and he physically created the first Bible. Except for the books in the OT that Luther threw out, you accept that decision.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#583 Jun 18, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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No,. You want to get by easy with just BS. How was the first Bible created. There was a first Bible
Did God breathed on a empty book and the Bible was created? Just admit you have no clue and do some research.
I understand you really don't know and that is sad. The self teacher of the meaning of a book and you have absolutely no clue.
A book has Authority over you and you have no idea of its history.
I hate to bust your bubble but a bunch of Catholic leaders got together and decided on a wine and good food by voting on what scripture should be in the Bible.
They then appointed St Jerome and he physically created the first Bible. Except for the books in the OT that Luther threw out, you accept that decision.
God has always used men to write his books except when he gave the 10 commandments to Moses-he wrote it with his own finger. The old testament was penned by scribes and God used men in the early days of Christianity to compile his words and put it into a book. Catholics cannot take credit for that. If a human whether they are an ordinary christian or a pastor, preacher, or priest were to lead someone to Christ or water baptize him/her that mere human can never take credit for saving anyone. God Uses men and women to do his will.

Mike be careful that you do not make God angry for taking credit for his work. Christ working in us, in us our hope of Glory.

Mike, for your sake I hope you get this straight in your life.

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing".

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