The Legacy of Johnny Robertson
johnny

Axton, VA

#144 Nov 27, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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You continue to lie.
Just read most of this. These were Baptists once again. One of the main men mentioned in this books as a leader of this church of Christ is Edward Terrill.
EDWARD TERRILL 1634 - 1685
Edward Terrill was born in the country north of Bristol. He came, with his family, to live in the City. This was in the year 1640. At the age of 24 having spent a number of years contemplating spiritual issues he embraced believers' baptism and became a member of Thomas Ewins church (later known as Broadmead).
This church had been started in 1640 by one Dorothy Hazzard and by the time he was baptised, had grown out of the house church it had been. However, the persecutors of non-conformists were just beginning and in 1662 the Act of Uniformity declared it unlawful not to use the Anglican Book of Common Prayer.
The following year, Thomas Ewins, Edward Terrill and many members of the church were jailed for their beliefs. it became so dangerous that the church had to meet where it could, all around the outskirts of Bristol. This was necessary to avoid the sheriff's officers. During this time Edward became a firm friend of Thomas Ellis a member of the church who had a sugar refining business. Thomas Ellis saw that the wandering church really needed a home and to this end he offered the upper part of one of his warehouses so that members could meet. In 1671 the church moved in and has stayed there ever since.
The persecution continued and the first two ministers died, broken in health by imprisonment. During this time Edward Terrill's faith remained strong but he was concerned as to how the Baptist churches of the future would find adequately trained ministers, as all universities were barred to non-conformists. He knew Latin, Greek-and Hebrew but who would train the ministers of the future?
Terrill resolved to leave money to train these young men and for Broadmead to have a second minister to educate them. This deed was signed on 3 June 1679. This became the basis for the Bristol Baptist College which is still providing the teaching for today's ministers.
We know these things because Edward Terrill left a hand written account of the progression of the church entitled "Records of a Church of Christ in Broadmead". Today this is more affectionately known as the Broadmead Records and remains in our possession, serving to remind us of Terrill's thought for the future of the church.
So you going say that the church of Christ who were baptizing for remission sins were really a Baptist church oh really now

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#146 Nov 27, 2013
johnny wrote:
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So you going say that the church of Christ who were baptizing for remission sins were really a Baptist church oh really now
There have been untold numbers of the Baptist communities and beliefs just like they are multiple communities calling themselves Church of Christ.

Which one do you belong to?

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#147 Nov 27, 2013
Doc Stan wrote:
http://johnnyrobertson.wordpre ss.com/2013/09/04/is-johnny-ro bertson-a-cult-leader/
I do not consider the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ to be a cult. It is just one of many in a long line of low end protestant denominations ignoring its founders and claiming to be in possession of the "truth." There can be no doubt the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ came from the disaffected Presbyterian/Baptist Alexander Campbell and was polished into its present state by Daniel Sommer.

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#148 Nov 27, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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There have been untold numbers of the Baptist communities and beliefs just like they are multiple communities calling themselves Church of Christ.
Which one do you belong to?
There was one and only one church in Britain prior to Henry VIII. We all know which one that was and that it came to Britain in the very earliest years of the Roman occupation and by Henry VIII's reign had been there 1,400 years. And yes, this one Church baptized for the remission of sins....Et unam, sanctam, cathólicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam. Confíteor unum baptísma in remissiónem peccatorum...

One has to wonder at the claims of certain individuals in the denomination known as the Church of Christ about its activities and history in Britain. If what they claim is true then the CofC did a really piss poor job all those many centuries to end up with a mere handful of groups in London and Bristol!
William

Birmingham, AL

#149 Nov 27, 2013
Were they fighting over pianos back then too?
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#150 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
"Credo Magazine » Ten Baptists Everyone Should Know: William Kiffin"
Dave, do you think that he might be related to Lane Kiffin?
LOL
If he is, then he had no character either. He probably took those baptists and dropped them all the way down to Division III.

On a side though, ol' Lane did more with less than almost anyone I know. 3 pretty good coaching gigs- Oakland, Tennessee, USC- and destroyed every one of them.

Maybe he should go coach Alabama. Rest of the country might have a chance then.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#151 Nov 27, 2013
johnny wrote:
The identity ‘church of Christ’ has been used in England for at least a thousand
years by autonomous congregations following the biblical pattern
Where's Biblical proof the congregations in the first century were autonomous? Apostles and preachers were sent to appoint elders, the Jerusalem council, etc. Paul wrote letters to the congregations. He directed commandments to several different congregations at once. Yet they were autonomous?
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#152 Nov 27, 2013
johnny wrote:
have better things than waste time with you boys on here. Could say more but some preachers on here not really preachers wither just say they are to make the church of Christ look bad
1. You've said 500 times you have better things to do with your time than waste it on here. Yet you keep coming back. Maybe you deep down enjoy getting on here- why else would you come back time after time? Perhaps showing some benefactors something?

2. You don't consider instrumental coc your brethren- but yet you count 1600's Baptists as coc members. You distort coc history, refuse to acknowledge what's happened here, yet have the nerve to say others make the coc look bad?

I thought non-instrumentals were just like me until I found this site and listened to you and others. Johnny, its the Daniel Sommer types that make the coc look bad before the world, not those honestly seeking to serve God. Mirror check.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#153 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
Were they fighting over pianos back then too?
No. It was powdered wigs back then.

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#154 Nov 27, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Johnny, its the Daniel Sommer types that make the coc look bad before the world, not those honestly seeking to serve God. Mirror check.
I hate to say this, but most of the world have not even heard of the COC, and I would guess to say most of the US too.

They are big in the Philippines but that is Iglesia ni Cristo which the US COC think is a cult and they think you are a cult

I didn't until this forum.

Putting the COC in with the rest of the protesters, they all make each other look bad.

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#155 Nov 27, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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1. You've said 500 times you have better things to do with your time than waste it on here. Yet you keep coming back. Maybe you deep down enjoy getting on here- why else would you come back time after time? Perhaps showing some benefactors something?
2. You don't consider instrumental coc your brethren- but yet you count 1600's Baptists as coc members. You distort coc history, refuse to acknowledge what's happened here, yet have the nerve to say others make the coc look bad?
I thought non-instrumentals were just like me until I found this site and listened to you and others. Johnny, its the Daniel Sommer types that make the coc look bad before the world, not those honestly seeking to serve God. Mirror check.
You should have seen the program on TV he had on this. In short, it was pathetic! I notice that program is nowhere to be found on his YouTube post – wonder why? He also stated he paid “way up there” for some books that supposedly prove the coc existed prior to Campbell. He said on his show that those in the book really were NOT Baptist but were labeled Baptist by “others.” He also said,“they didn’t have all of their doctrine down right, but were heading the right direction.” Hold up, Johnny. As Dave pointed out, how can you accept them “Baptist” as really coc folk who were in error yet you won’t dare accept coc who have music in the services. Why the double standards? Johnny, don’t think when you see the words ‘church of Christ’ in some book that it means the group you represent today. Also, that picture of a Tombstone you sent me one time with ‘church of Christ’ doesn’t prove one bit that it was the same group you are with … nor does it prove what that dead person under the tombstone believed.

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#156 Nov 27, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I hate to say this, but most of the world have not even heard of the COC, and I would guess to say most of the US too.
They are big in the Philippines but that is Iglesia ni Cristo which the US COC think is a cult and they think you are a cult
I didn't until this forum.
Putting the COC in with the rest of the protesters, they all make each other look bad.
I never heard of the coc until the late 80's. I know people today who have no idea who the coc are. If they be the ONE TRUE CHURCH, something went wrong somewhere.
johnny

Charlottesville, VA

#157 Nov 27, 2013
for you clowns to give randy praise for his comments is just icing on the cake. shows how much homework you boys really done
Annoying Proxy

France

#158 Nov 28, 2013
johnny wrote:
for you clowns to give randy praise for his comments is just icing on the cake. shows how much homework you boys really done
It doesn't matter what you post on Martinsville topix whether it be right or wrong. If you are not part of the Catholic group you get "x" and peanuts. If you are a member of the Catholic butt kiss society you get check marks and brilliant lights no matter how dumb what you post it. You are not here much but that is the way it works. No one has put more erroneous material on here than these Catholic supporters. Here is a valid point none of these cowards will respond to with a answer. Did the Catholic pedophile priests administer communion to the saints and was it valid? Catholics believe priests can forgive sins, so were their sins forgiven by these pedophile priests? If this communion and forgiveness did happen, was it God or Satan? These are valid questions about what happened in the Catholic church yet this society of butt kissers has no legitimate response.

Since: Jun 11

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#159 Nov 28, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter what you post on Martinsville topix whether it be right or wrong. If you are not part of the Catholic group you get "x" and peanuts. If you are a member of the Catholic butt kiss society you get check marks and brilliant lights no matter how dumb what you post it. You are not here much but that is the way it works. No one has put more erroneous material on here than these Catholic supporters. Here is a valid point none of these cowards will respond to with a answer. Did the Catholic pedophile priests administer communion to the saints and was it valid? Catholics believe priests can forgive sins, so were their sins forgiven by these pedophile priests? If this communion and forgiveness did happen, was it God or Satan? These are valid questions about what happened in the Catholic church yet this society of butt kissers has no legitimate response.
How about you waltz into Mr. Robertson's assembly this Sunday morning and start talking about paedocommunion. See how far that gets you. And I love the way your other Topix name, Roman Catholic Sproul, gives you such glowing ratings.

Since: Jun 11

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#160 Nov 28, 2013
Annoying Proxy, Anonymous Proxy and Roman Catholic Sproul(all the same person)can also explain to Mr. Robertson's assembly the Sproul defrocking by the Presbyterian Church and then starting up the paedocommunionist denomination. He can also try to sell tickets to the upcoming Paedocommunionist Alaska Study Cruise.

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#161 Nov 28, 2013
Religion and politics often do make strange bedfellows but I can guarandamntee you Mr. Robertson is not going to sleep with a paedocommunionist Sproul.
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#162 Nov 28, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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You should have seen the program on TV he had on this. In short, it was pathetic! I notice that program is nowhere to be found on his YouTube post – wonder why? He also stated he paid “way up there” for some books that supposedly prove the coc existed prior to Campbell. He said on his show that those in the book really were NOT Baptist but were labeled Baptist by “others.” He also said,“they didn’t have all of their doctrine down right, but were heading the right direction.” Hold up, Johnny. As Dave pointed out, how can you accept them “Baptist” as really coc folk who were in error yet you won’t dare accept coc who have music in the services. Why the double standards? Johnny, don’t think when you see the words ‘church of Christ’ in some book that it means the group you represent today. Also, that picture of a Tombstone you sent me one time with ‘church of Christ’ doesn’t prove one bit that it was the same group you are with … nor does it prove what that dead person under the tombstone believed.
Agree Randy. They go far and wide to find "proof" they existed before the Campbell's, then ignore the history of what happened here. They accept 1600s Baptists, but not modern Baptists nor their actual contemporaries today. Hypocrisy.

The coc loses credibility with nonsense like this.
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#163 Nov 28, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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I never heard of the coc until the late 80's. I know people today who have no idea who the coc are. If they be the ONE TRUE CHURCH, something went wrong somewhere.
I also know people today who have never heard of the coc.

I also have the misfortune of meeting people who have heard of the coc. As soon as they find out I go to a coc, the horrified look pops on their face and they scream out "you're the ones that don't believe in music! I don't understand that!"

Happened again last night. Thanks Johnny.
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#164 Nov 28, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter what you post on Martinsville topix whether it be right or wrong. If you are not part of the Catholic group you get "x" and peanuts. If you are a member of the Catholic butt kiss society you get check marks and brilliant lights no matter how dumb what you post it. You are not here much but that is the way it works. No one has put more erroneous material on here than these Catholic supporters. Here is a valid point none of these cowards will respond to with a answer. Did the Catholic pedophile priests administer communion to the saints and was it valid? Catholics believe priests can forgive sins, so were their sins forgiven by these pedophile priests? If this communion and forgiveness did happen, was it God or Satan? These are valid questions about what happened in the Catholic church yet this society of butt kissers has no legitimate response.
Sorry "Roman Catholic Sproul" but since I'm not catholic I have no reason to defend communion to saints from pedophile priests. That scandal is what it is. It's theirs to deal with.

What you fail to realize Sproul is that I am not a catholic butt kisser- much of what they believe goes against my belief system and in good conscience I could not be one. But, on the issues we have been dealing with on here so far, they have given the most common sense Biblical answers. I agree with them about sola scriptura, churches not being autonomous, much of history, etc. If you're worried about checkmarks, get into those issues and make some Biblical sense.

It doesn't help your cause that you are on a simple one man crusade to argue with the catholic cavalry- good luck with that. Plus, you often side with Barnsweb and his increasingly asinine posts. And now trying to cuddle up with JR? Mark is right- JR wants nothing to do with reformation people. You're not a Christian to him.

Want us to give you checkmarks? Get into their doctrines. And not the distorted views like "older and wiser" tried.

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