The Legacy of Johnny Robertson

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Johnny Robertson will keep breathing threats against Christians and hunting them for persecution until he dies an old bitter man. No one apart from his tiny cult of mostly his family will mourn him.

That is the legacy of Johnny Robertson. His "works" won't outlive him.
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Nov 18, 2013
 
I have no legacy, Christ is King. To be forgotten is fine with me as long as the cause of Christ continues to be alive. Jesus never came to create denominations of this we can be certain. he never gave denims a hint of approval. For this announcement I am hated. Yet I am in good company, since Paul condemned them too. 1Cor 1:10

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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Thats not what Christ or the apostles claimed sorry. Have to start with this for you to properly understand whom would be teaching.
17 And the [e]book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the [f]book and found the place where it was written,
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
19 To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”
You make this way too easy! Paul to Timothy:

...quć est ecclesia Dei vivi, columna et firmamentum veritatis.

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I agree; you have no legacy.

Far as denominations go, the Church of Christ wears that shoe, also. Just because you claim you do not belong to a denomination doesn’t make it so. It has been pointed out over and over WHY the Church of Christ IS a denomination.

Sure, the church Jesus bought with his Blood, isn’t a denomination BUUTTT many groups label themselves, including the Church of Christ denomination. You have no History other than the Restoration Movement. The books you have cited on TV were NOT the Church of Christ you are part of … finding a group going by that name doesn’t make them believe as you do. The Catholics have used “Church of Christ” in many of their historical writings as have other groups.

In fact, the very denomination you are part of do not always agree doctrinally. This has been demonstrated many times on here. The One-Cup church of Christ believe your sect has parted from the pattern. There are the church of Christ who believe in the literal indwelling of the Holy Spirit. There are church of Christ who differ on the Lord’s Supper. There are church of Christ who differ on marriage, divorce and remarriage. Who are you fooling but yourself?

Let me guess, your little sect is right totally on its teachings but every other conservative church of Christ are wrong IF they do not adhere to what you believe doctrinally? When will the conservative church of Christ fess up and stop pretending to be united doctrinally? We all know you’re not! You are just as the Baptist man who has faith in Jesus, you lack doctrinal perfection. The difference being, the Baptist man will admit this, you will play as if all are wrong except for your sect.

The only true unity exit in diversity. No two groups, including the churches of Christ agree 100%. You know this yet act as though all is okay and act like you are in the ONE TRUE CHURCH and everyone else is headed to hell because they didn’t figure it all out as you did. How arrogant and hypocritical.

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johnny robertson wrote:
he never gave denims a hint of approval.
He never gave corduroy and polyester a hint of approval either.

Learn to spell dimwit.
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Welcome back Randy. Glad to hear from you again.

Olethros- He never gave corduroy and polyester a hint of approval either.

Learn to spell dimwit.

That's funny.

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Dave P wrote:
Welcome back Randy. Glad to hear from you again.
Olethros- He never gave corduroy and polyester a hint of approval either.
Learn to spell dimwit.
That's funny.
Frankly it took me awhile to get this...I thought he was talking about bluejeans.
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MarkEden wrote:
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Frankly it took me awhile to get this...I thought he was talking about bluejeans.
I'm sure Jesus didn't approve of denims. I would say all of that walking in a desert sandbox might have left somebody a little chapped in the nether regions.
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Whitman wrote:
The Legacy of Johnny Robertson
Beloved brethren, there are lessons to be learned from the life of Johnny Robertson. Few question his zeal. He spends his life devoted to promoting ‘his vision’ of God's will for the church. Unfortunately, for the bulk of his life he has failed to grasp God's purpose! Ignorant of God’s grace, and the freedom one has in Christ Jesus, Johnny Robertson proclaims a religion of rigidity, and perhaps does more than any other individual to bring about deep divisions. Like the apostle Peter, who wept bitterly after denying Jesus Christ, maybe Johnny Robertson will spend his latter days of his life lamenting his years of misguided maliciousness. Sadly, he is unable to undo the harm he has inflicted upon the church, and the fruit of his labor is evident in the rigid, legalistic, patternistic wing of the churches of Christ. Johnny Robertson sowed his seed well, and the tares that have grown up all around us today are the tragic result of his decades of devotion to division.
You've made it quite clear (in your post) that YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT IS SPELLED OUT SO CLEARLY IN THE BIBLE.

When someone calls a person LEGALISTIC - that is just another way of saying they do not wish to OBEY THE LAW!!!

We could have that same attitude about some of our governmental laws.

Some people could say that wearing seatbelts, buying hunting or fishing licenses or conforming to government regulations (like pollution, gun-control) etc are LEGALISTIC!

But, that is just another way of saying they DO NOT AGREE with these governmental laws - therefore, many people DO NOT ABIDE by these laws.

The same is true for millions & millions & millions of people today. They have twisted & corrupted the teachings of the bible in order to suit their own whims, wants & disires.

On the subject of Baptism being essential for salvation. Many people want to ONLY claim they belief in Jesus will get them to heaven.

NOW, I REALIZE THIS IS A MUCH EASIER SELL TO THE PUBLIC THAN WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. Therefore, millions & millions & millions of people will be lost - JUST BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO OBEY THE TEACHING IN THE BIBLE. You can't just claim you believe on Jesus & call on his name & expect to be saved! The bible JUST DOES NOT TEACH THIS!!!

Are you aware - the bible tells us that MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WILL NOT GO TO HEAVEN. The bible tells us that VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL CHOSE THE RIGHT PATH TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Does this not resonate with you al all??? Who do you think these millions & millions & millions of people are who will not enter the kingdom of heaven???

Johnny Robertson's legacy here on earth may all you say - ONLY TO LOST SINNERS LIKE YOU (who refuse to accept the truth).

Johnny Robertson's fate will be that he worked very very hard & suffered - to bring the Gospel to a LOST & DYING WORLD.

Johnny Robertson HAS BEEN DOING EXACTLY WHAT CHRIST COMMANDS US ALL TO DO.

To bad, you are so woefully lacking in the teachings of the bible to realize this.

If you continue on in the path you're following - YOU WILL NEVER SEE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN!!!

Wake up & pay attention to what the bible is teaching before it's too late...
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I agree; you have no legacy.
Far as denominations go, the Church of Christ wears that shoe, also. Just because you claim you do not belong to a denomination doesn’t make it so. It has been pointed out over and over WHY the Church of Christ IS a denomination.
Sure, the church Jesus bought with his Blood, isn’t a denomination BUUTTT many groups label themselves, including the Church of Christ denomination. You have no History other than the Restoration Movement. The books you have cited on TV were NOT the Church of Christ you are part of … finding a group going by that name doesn’t make them believe as you do. The Catholics have used “Church of Christ” in many of their historical writings as have other groups.
In fact, the very denomination you are part of do not always agree doctrinally. This has been demonstrated many times on here. The One-Cup church of Christ believe your sect has parted from the pattern. There are the church of Christ who believe in the literal indwelling of the Holy Spirit. There are church of Christ who differ on the Lord’s Supper. There are church of Christ who differ on marriage, divorce and remarriage. Who are you fooling but yourself?
Let me guess, your little sect is right totally on its teachings but every other conservative church of Christ are wrong IF they do not adhere to what you believe doctrinally? When will the conservative church of Christ fess up and stop pretending to be united doctrinally? We all know you’re not! You are just as the Baptist man who has faith in Jesus, you lack doctrinal perfection. The difference being, the Baptist man will admit this, you will play as if all are wrong except for your sect.
The only true unity exit in diversity. No two groups, including the churches of Christ agree 100%. You know this yet act as though all is okay and act like you are in the ONE TRUE CHURCH and everyone else is headed to hell because they didn’t figure it all out as you did. How arrogant and hypocritical.
The church of Christ is NOT A DENOMINATION! But, I would be intered in hearing why you say it is...
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Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Sin for 1 thing.
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.”
CCC:
The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, the subject of this freedom, is an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods ... By deviating from the moral law, man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth.(CCC 1740)
From Jesus:
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him,“If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” They answered him,“We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How is it that you say,‘You will be made free’?” Jesus answered them,“Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.”(Jn 8:31-36)
You have so little knowledge of the word of God - you dont even realize that the "yolk of slavery" Christ is talking about is the Old Law of Moses...

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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You have so little knowledge of the word of God - you dont even realize that the "yolk of slavery" Christ is talking about is the Old Law of Moses...
You just made me laugh so hard my merlot went up my nose.

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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The church of Christ is NOT A DENOMINATION! But, I would be intered in hearing why you say it is...
Alexander Campbell, former Presbyterian/Baptist, created the denomination known as the Church of Christ out of whole cloth. It did not in any way, shape or form exist prior to Campbell. The denomination known as the Church of Christ was polished into its present state by Daniel Sommer. You can ignore this and deny this and throw a temper tantrum but it will not make the truth go away.

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Hey Odler:

I have been asking this for years from Prots. The answer I ever received was Josephus a Jewish historian. That was an oops moment from a COCer.

Name one person from history between the years AD 100 and AD 1700 ( for high end prots I have to use 1500) that believed like you. A COCer would be nice, but I will take one that you split from like the Christian Church or that other one up North that you split with during the Civil War.

I would like to read some of things he wrote and compare them to what you believe.
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MarkEden wrote:
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You just made me laugh so hard my merlot went up my nose.
Maybe the merlot is your problem here!

I hate to burst your bubble of ignorance - but in (Galatians 5:1)(of which you were speaking) reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yolk of bondage".

Yes, yes, yes - Paul was speaking of the bondage of the Old Law of Moses (which contained 613 commandments for the people to keep).

The freedom he was speaking of was the FREEDOM FROM THE 613 LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT/TESTAMENT (circumcision was one of those laws).
Under the New Covenant/Testament - CIRCUMCISION WAS NO LONGER A COMMANDMENT!!!

That was the freedom they were talking about here.

Here's another scripture which might make it a little clearer. Paul & Barnabas was speaking to the people in Jerusalem.

They were discussing the recent conversion of the Gentiles - when a group of Pharisees started telling Paul & Barnabas that the Gentiles needed to be circumcised and commanded them to keep the law of Moses.

Then Paul & Barnabas spoke and told the Pharisees, "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear"?

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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Maybe the merlot is your problem here!
I hate to burst your bubble of ignorance - but in (Galatians 5:1)(of which you were speaking) reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yolk of bondage".
Yes, yes, yes - Paul was speaking of the bondage of the Old Law of Moses (which contained 613 commandments for the people to keep).
The freedom he was speaking of was the FREEDOM FROM THE 613 LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT/TESTAMENT (circumcision was one of those laws).
Under the New Covenant/Testament - CIRCUMCISION WAS NO LONGER A COMMANDMENT!!!
That was the freedom they were talking about here.
Here's another scripture which might make it a little clearer. Paul & Barnabas was speaking to the people in Jerusalem.
They were discussing the recent conversion of the Gentiles - when a group of Pharisees started telling Paul & Barnabas that the Gentiles needed to be circumcised and commanded them to keep the law of Moses.
Then Paul & Barnabas spoke and told the Pharisees, "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear"?
Maybe you are too dumb to know it's a yoke and not the yellow thing in the middle of an egg.

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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The church of Christ is NOT A DENOMINATION! But, I would be intered in hearing why you say it is...
O&W, isn’t it a bit odd that there isn’t any History of the church of Christ you stand for? Prior to Campbell, can you find anything?

Daniel Sommer had much to do with hardliner types such as yourself. However, when he became “Old and Wiser”, he seen his folly and states his regret for the seeds he planted. Men like you are from HIS crop. He planted the hardliner garden and done such a good job that we still have a few crops growing today.

You can easily clear this all up by pointing us to some Historical evidence of the church of Christ. Be careful to not just look for the WORDS “church of Christ” in Historical writings as many other groups {who believed differently} used “church of Christ” in their writings.

Which church of Christ do you belong to? The one-cuppers? The non-indwelling Holy Spirit? Communion served on pretty silver platters by MEN ONLY, but it’s okay for women in the pews to pass the silver platters aside? Closed Communion? My point: there is much disagreement within the church of Christ. Why do the hardliners hide this? Do you think hiding it somehow makes you not a denomination?

Mac Deaver {conservative church of Christ preacher} now believes that one is literally indwelled with the Holy Spirit. Some in the church of Christ call him an apostate now. You know what’s funny? Others in the church of Christ still regard Mac Deaver as a saved man. Don’t you just love Unity? &#61514; Speaking of Mac Deaver, his Son Todd Deaver put out a GREAT book { Facing Our Failure: The Fellowship Dilemma in Conservative Churches of Christ} that exposes MANY problems within the church of Christ. Hats off for his honesty! You should take note and do the same. To this day not one hardliner conservative church of Christ preacher has proven Todd’s book wrong. Only one person attempted to write a refutation review but threw in the towel after seeing all of the proof references in Todd’s book. http://www.lulu.com/shop/todd-deaver/facing-o...

Yes, you are in a man-made sect – one that is also broken down into more sects. Deny this all you like but it will not change the facts.
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MarkEden wrote:
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Alexander Campbell, former Presbyterian/Baptist, created the denomination known as the Church of Christ out of whole cloth. It did not in any way, shape or form exist prior to Campbell. The denomination known as the Church of Christ was polished into its present state by Daniel Sommer. You can ignore this and deny this and throw a temper tantrum but it will not make the truth go away.
I remember sitting in Bible class in junior high school while attending Alabama Christian Academy in Montgomery, AL back in the mid-70's and hearing as much about Alexander Campbell as Jesus. Nowadays though, old man Campbell seems to have been disowned by them. Along with the King James Bible.

I guess that the "modem change agents" succeeded in revamping the Church of Christ to suit complaints about Campbell being the founder (he was) and the KJV being "too hard to read".

But they never seem to have trouble reading Shakespeare's plays in the original 1600's English. Funny.

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William wrote:
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But they never seem to have trouble reading Shakespeare's plays in the original 1600's English. Funny.
I guess everybody made an A on Shakespeare, right. Everybody's own interpretation was correct.

Or "how could they understand unless somebody explained it".
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Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I guess everybody made an A on Shakespeare, right. Everybody's own interpretation was correct.
Or "how could they understand unless somebody explained it".
I understood it OK. Same thing with the KJV.

Written in simple English. No need for religious obfuscation or Catholic private interpretation.

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