Debunking Catholicism
Annoying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#172 Oct 14, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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That is peanuts. He doesn't own it. All by donations.
BTW, St Patrick's Cathedral in NY is undergoing renovation. It will cost 177 million. Just the front doors cost a a half million to redo. Awesome doors.
Here is website for donations.
http://www.saintpatrickscathedral.org/give/
I don't evaluate work or wealth by money as Catholics do, I suppose that is why I am a low end prot. I believe money is relative an find it much easier to compare on a scale that comes to mind every time I see a large Catholic expenditure. I compare the scandal settlements and with a scale where a one million dollar door is equal to one/tenth of an altar boy molestation. When I look at the doors of your high end churches the thoughts that come to mind are how many altar boys would that cost? It is all vanity when your church leaders are as they are.

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#173 Oct 14, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>I don't evaluate work or wealth by money as Catholics do, I suppose that is why I am a low end prot. I believe money is relative an find it much easier to compare on a scale that comes to mind every time I see a large Catholic expenditure. I compare the scandal settlements and with a scale where a one million dollar door is equal to one/tenth of an altar boy molestation. When I look at the doors of your high end churches the thoughts that come to mind are how many altar boys would that cost? It is all vanity when your church leaders are as they are.
What do defrocked Presbyterians use for paedocommunion services? Used FEMA trailers?

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#174 Oct 14, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>I don't evaluate work or wealth by money as Catholics do, I suppose that is why I am a low end prot. I believe money is relative an find it much easier to compare on a scale that comes to mind every time I see a large Catholic expenditure. I compare the scandal settlements and with a scale where a one million dollar door is equal to one/tenth of an altar boy molestation. When I look at the doors of your high end churches the thoughts that come to mind are how many altar boys would that cost? It is all vanity when your church leaders are as they are.
Your obsession of pedophilia is worst than Bobby's.

When your Church is already 2000 years old and will be here until the end of time, the buildings should be built well. Saves money in the long run.

When Jesus returned to Jerusalem with His Apostles, he witnesses scores of of rich people flaunting their blessings and making a show of giving huge gifts to the temple. He also saw a poor widow place two small copper coins, all that she had to offer, into the temple treasury. He made a point to make the apostles aware of this and said that she had put more into the treasury than all of the rich people, because she gave everything she had:

“And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. And He said,“Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.”(Luke 21:1-4 NASB)

The temple treasury existed for the upkeep of the temple itself; it wasn’t a poor box or place for almsgiving. It existed solely for the purpose of maintaing this opulent house of worship. And yet this Jesus, whom some would have us believe would hate the grand basilicas of the Catholic Church, commended the poor widow for giving all she had to this purpose. This flies in the face of the notion that big, beautiful churches are evil or are somehow abhorrent to God.

Does God abhor ornate church buildings? overwhelming answer to this question is an emphatic “No!” A quick glance at 1Kings, chapter 7 would seem to suggest just the opposite, describing intricate workmanship, a golden altar and cherubim and pillars of copper or bronze for His temple. In fact, God was quite pleased with His house as His cloud settled into it and dwelt there.

And even more grand than King Soloman’s first temple was the temple Herod renovated in the time of Jesus. It was massive, and it was magnificent. And Jesus loved it. When he was 12 and went missing for days, Mary and Joseph found him in this same rich, ornate temple, which He called His Father’s house.

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#175 Oct 14, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Your obsession of pedophilia is worst than Bobby's.
When your Church is already 2000 years old and will be here until the end of time, the buildings should be built well. Saves money in the long run.
When Jesus returned to Jerusalem with His Apostles, he witnesses scores of of rich people flaunting their blessings and making a show of giving huge gifts to the temple. He also saw a poor widow place two small copper coins, all that she had to offer, into the temple treasury. He made a point to make the apostles aware of this and said that she had put more into the treasury than all of the rich people, because she gave everything she had:
“And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. And He said,“Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.”(Luke 21:1-4 NASB)
The temple treasury existed for the upkeep of the temple itself; it wasn’t a poor box or place for almsgiving. It existed solely for the purpose of maintaing this opulent house of worship. And yet this Jesus, whom some would have us believe would hate the grand basilicas of the Catholic Church, commended the poor widow for giving all she had to this purpose. This flies in the face of the notion that big, beautiful churches are evil or are somehow abhorrent to God.
Does God abhor ornate church buildings? overwhelming answer to this question is an emphatic “No!” A quick glance at 1Kings, chapter 7 would seem to suggest just the opposite, describing intricate workmanship, a golden altar and cherubim and pillars of copper or bronze for His temple. In fact, God was quite pleased with His house as His cloud settled into it and dwelt there.
And even more grand than King Soloman’s first temple was the temple Herod renovated in the time of Jesus. It was massive, and it was magnificent. And Jesus loved it. When he was 12 and went missing for days, Mary and Joseph found him in this same rich, ornate temple, which He called His Father’s house.
God nor Jesus care anything about your fancy buildings.
Proud Catholic

Birmingham, AL

#176 Oct 14, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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God nor Jesus care anything about your fancy buildings.
When did God tell you that?

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#177 Oct 15, 2013
Proud Catholic wrote:
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When did God tell you that?
When? probably about 2000 yrs ago like 600 yrs prior to the invention you call a church.
Proud Catholic

Birmingham, AL

#178 Oct 15, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>When? probably about 2000 yrs ago like 600 yrs prior to the invention you call a church.
I know you are not that old. You had to have gotten it from somewhere else than God. Did you self interpret a Catholic book called the Bible?

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#179 Oct 15, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>When? probably about 2000 yrs ago like 600 yrs prior to the invention you call a church.
JC, old buddy old pal, your church was invented by a man born in 1850. Everyone knows it but you.

So let's think about what you say about 600 years. If that is true you have available 600 years worth of non-Catholic hymns etc written just for the human voice to use during your worship services. Why is it then you only use hymns etc written mostly after 1800 by Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians and Lutherans all of which were meant to be accompanied by musical instruments?

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#180 Oct 16, 2013
Proud Catholic wrote:
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I know you are not that old. You had to have gotten it from somewhere else than God. Did you self interpret a Catholic book called the Bible?
The book the bible that the catholics helped preserve says how one is trained in knowing God. You do know how that happens dont you?

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#181 Oct 16, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>The book the bible that the catholics helped preserve says how one is trained in knowing God. You do know how that happens dont you?
So you think a JW father is teaching his child to know God? What about a Catholic father?

The Church teaches. The Bible helps her. If the Father learns from the Church he has the fullness of the truth so he can train his children in knowing God.
Annoying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#182 Oct 16, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Your obsession of pedophilia is worst than Bobby's.
When your Church is already 2000 years old and will be here until the end of time, the buildings should be built well. Saves money in the long run.
When Jesus returned to Jerusalem with His Apostles, he witnesses scores of of rich people flaunting their blessings and making a show of giving huge gifts to the temple. He also saw a poor widow place two small copper coins, all that she had to offer, into the temple treasury. He made a point to make the apostles aware of this and said that she had put more into the treasury than all of the rich people, because she gave everything she had:
“And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. And He said,“Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.”(Luke 21:1-4 NASB)
The temple treasury existed for the upkeep of the temple itself; it wasn’t a poor box or place for almsgiving. It existed solely for the purpose of maintaing this opulent house of worship. And yet this Jesus, whom some would have us believe would hate the grand basilicas of the Catholic Church, commended the poor widow for giving all she had to this purpose. This flies in the face of the notion that big, beautiful churches are evil or are somehow abhorrent to God.
Does God abhor ornate church buildings? overwhelming answer to this question is an emphatic “No!” A quick glance at 1Kings, chapter 7 would seem to suggest just the opposite, describing intricate workmanship, a golden altar and cherubim and pillars of copper or bronze for His temple. In fact, God was quite pleased with His house as His cloud settled into it and dwelt there.
And even more grand than King Soloman’s first temple was the temple Herod renovated in the time of Jesus. It was massive, and it was magnificent. And Jesus loved it. When he was 12 and went missing for days, Mary and Joseph found him in this same rich, ornate temple, which He called His Father’s house.
And know after the death of Jesus the temple is our body. We are to make our bodies a proper dwelling place for the Spirit of God. We are to be repenting and nowhere does Jesus tell us to marvel at man made temples while ignoring what is inside of the temple of our priests or leaders. If the Catholics do not correct their problems by removing them from their position and try to cover it up and pretend it never happened this problem will rear it's ugly head again.
Annoying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#183 Oct 16, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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So you think a JW father is teaching his child to know God? What about a Catholic father?
The Church teaches. The Bible helps her. If the Father learns from the Church he has the fullness of the truth so he can train his children in knowing God.
You should rephrase that.

"The Catholic Church teaches. The Bible helps her." or
"The church teaches the bible."

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#184 Oct 17, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>You should rephrase that.
"The Catholic Church teaches. The Bible helps her." or
"The church teaches the bible."
The Church created the Bible to help her teach. Of course she teaches what the Bible means.

You should read the history of the Bible one day.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#185 Oct 17, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Your obsession of pedophilia is worst than Bobby's.
When your Church is already 2000 years old and will be here until the end of time, the buildings should be built well. Saves money in the long run.
When Jesus returned to Jerusalem with His Apostles, he witnesses scores of of rich people flaunting their blessings and making a show of giving huge gifts to the temple. He also saw a poor widow place two small copper coins, all that she had to offer, into the temple treasury. He made a point to make the apostles aware of this and said that she had put more into the treasury than all of the rich people, because she gave everything she had:
“And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. And He said,“Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.”(Luke 21:1-4 NASB)
The temple treasury existed for the upkeep of the temple itself; it wasn’t a poor box or place for almsgiving. It existed solely for the purpose of maintaing this opulent house of worship. And yet this Jesus, whom some would have us believe would hate the grand basilicas of the Catholic Church, commended the poor widow for giving all she had to this purpose. This flies in the face of the notion that big, beautiful churches are evil or are somehow abhorrent to God.
Does God abhor ornate church buildings? overwhelming answer to this question is an emphatic “No!” A quick glance at 1Kings, chapter 7 would seem to suggest just the opposite, describing intricate workmanship, a golden altar and cherubim and pillars of copper or bronze for His temple. In fact, God was quite pleased with His house as His cloud settled into it and dwelt there.
And even more grand than King Soloman’s first temple was the temple Herod renovated in the time of Jesus. It was massive, and it was magnificent. And Jesus loved it. When he was 12 and went missing for days, Mary and Joseph found him in this same rich, ornate temple, which He called His Father’s house.
And we know after the death of Jesus that the temple is our body. We are to make our bodies a proper dwelling place for the Spirit of God. We are to be repenting and nowhere does Jesus tell us to marvel at man made temples while ignoring what is inside of the temple of our priests or leaders. If the Catholics do not correct their problems by removing them from their position and try to cover it up and pretend it never happened this problem will rear it's ugly head again. The Catholics need to clean their temples not refurbish billion dollar run down buildings to house pedophiles in. They have not cleaned the temples only id them with their money.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#186 Oct 17, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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The Church created the Bible to help her teach. Of course she teaches what the Bible means.
You should read the history of the Bible one day.
As soon as I read it through I plan to study it's history.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Olive Hill, KY

#187 Oct 30, 2013
A link showing just how wicked the Catholic church is.


http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#188 Oct 31, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
A link showing just how wicked the Catholic church is.
http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm
Which one of the 300,000 translations since 1500 do you like the best, because that is what is important to protester, what they like, not the truth.

What you think about the Bible is insignificant. BTW, who taught you what you know?

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#189 Oct 31, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
A link showing just how wicked the Catholic church is.
http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm
The Sproul cult loves posting these anonymous cult websites and claiming they are legitimate sources. Cracks me up!
William

Montgomery, AL

#190 Oct 31, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
A link showing just how wicked the Catholic church is.
http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm
The only thing wicked now is the fact that almost no one actually bothers to read it, much less all the way through.

In the end, that ain't gonna cut the mustard.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#191 Oct 31, 2013
William wrote:
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The only thing wicked now is the fact that almost no one actually bothers to read it, much less all the way through.
In the end, that ain't gonna cut the mustard.
The whole Bible is read at Mass in a period of about 3 years. A reading from the OT, Psalms, Epistles , and Gospel every Sunday.

Many more verses are in included in the prayers. The CC is the only True "Bible Church".

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