Johnny Robertson and What Does the Bi...

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#590 Aug 27, 2009
To Pneuma Hagion wrote:
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Jake, your claim that “Johnny (Robertson) doesn't know the Bible any better that the men and women he is ‘spying’ on” is a fake. Based on your statement concerning Robertson’s rejection of the caller’s claim that God doesn’t hate persons who perpetrate sin, there is absolutely no way that Robertson could be wrong. Examine David’s declaration concerning God in Psalm 5:5 –“The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; YOU HATE ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY.” So, may I ask, are workers of iniquity sinners? You bet they are, and David says God hates them.
Also your conclusion that Robertson doesn’t know the Bible better than those whose false doctrines and practices he is refuting and exposing, is ludicrous. This conclusion, you have arrived at based on Robertson’s response from Psalm 139:22, that God hates with a perfect hate. Let us pause to look at the text:“I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies.”
You have based your rejection of Robertson’s response based on your belief that it was David who was uttering his “perfect hatred” and not God. This is where you are seriously lacking in your knowledge of the Imprecatory Psalms. Of course you know that the adjective “imprecatory” derives from the verb “imprecate” which means, inter alia,“to invoke evil on: to curse.” All who have studied the Imprecatory Psalms realize that when the writer utters a curse, that it is not a personal vent for revenge, but is the writer’s understanding and appreciation of the fact of God’s awareness and intolerance of sin. Examine verse 21 in the same passage:“Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?”
As a matter of fact, the Old Testament scholar, Kaiser observes:“They [these imprecatory sayings] are not statements of personal vendetta, but they are utterances of zeal for the kingdom of God and his glory. To be sure, the attacks which provoked these prayers were not from personal enemies; rather, they were rightfully seen as attacks against God and especially his representatives in the promised line of the Messiah.”
And so, the “perfect hatred” which you have attributed to David, is merely an understanding, reflection and acceptance of God’s own perfect hatred. Let us examine another instance of God’s perfect hatred, this time from the New Testament. Paul quoted Malichi 1:2-3 in writing the following in Romans 9:13:“As it is written,‘Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.’" It is a consensus among Biblical scholars, both Old and New Testament, that the perfect love expressed by God for Jacob was reflected in His election of Jacob to carry on God’s favour of brining the Messiah into the world, while the perfect hatred expressed toward Esau was manifested in His rejection of Easau – even though he was the first-born of Isaac. Most scholars also agree that God was not looking at Esau’s or Jacob’s personage in expressing his perfect love or hatred, but the fact of their future roles in carrying out the will of God. So, Jake, Mr Robertson was right, and he has shown that he does have a better knowledge and understanding of the Bible than the average Joe. He is also willing to defend God’s truth against those who have sworn, by their doctrine and actions, to “make God a liar.”
FYI I am an average Joe! And Jake is correct David did say it and not God, we can argue all day about God agreeing with David but, David did say it, it is clearly delivered that way in the passage.

Put Johnny does not many passages in the Bible, however he has shown an ability to twist that knowledge at times to make if fit his belief system.

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#591 Aug 27, 2009
Put Johnny should be But Johnny...

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#592 Aug 27, 2009
I'll give you an example, in his zeal to crush the denominational churches he taught that the man who was stopped from casting out demons by the 12 was one of the 72 that Jesus sent out, without going into it in detail that is totally wrong, simply put the man was alone and if Jesus had sent him to do this work he would have evoked Jesus name and he did not.

He taught this to break down another verse that others had quoted for use to defend their churches existence.

I believe it was anyone who is not against us if for us, it's in Luke 9.

So he used the Bible to try and make it fit his belief that other churches should not exist and are false. He totally took the event and twisted it and there is nothing to back up his claim and elements that refute his claim that the man was one of the 72.

So Johnny knows the passages, he does not read them in context because of the bitter root against his father and the training that has convinced him he is the only one right about scripture. I'm sure if he talked about wine vs new wine we would see him also claim grape juice because he also believes in no drinking thus to make things work Jesus has to drink grape juice or be a sinner. The Bible does not back this up at all. But it is part of the training and if he changes any part of it he has also be told he will go to hell for not holding to the doctrine he was taught.

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#593 Aug 27, 2009
TO clarify Jesus sent them out 2 by 2 thus the man should have had someone with him and he did not. Thus because Jesus never came up in the conversation and because he was alone it is pretty long odds he was one of the 72 Jesus sent out, but man did it sound good while he was teaching it LOL!
To Pneuma Hagion

Kingston, Jamaica

#594 Aug 27, 2009
walkinginlove wrote:
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Oh I read it old boy, I just ignored it because it is a straw man argument. Islam may put us all to the sword or we may kill all to keep them from it, that is the reality so unification will come when one of us is dead, most likely us except for the intervention of God to stop it.
What a way to ignore "a straw man argument," Walkinginlove? Your latter response does not square up with your first retort at all. Here you are claiming that my earlier scoff at Bob's probable call for unification of "Christianity" and Islam is without substance, but earlier you were prepared to "welcome" the unlikely outcome of such unification. Now you are stating that the only possibility at "unification" is the mutually assured violence resulting in the total destruction of either Christians or Muslims. I can't speak for you, Walkinginlove, but I know that it is impossible that Islam could in any way obliterate Christianity. This is becaue of Jesus' firm assurance that "the gates of Hades will not prevail" against his Church (Matt 16:18). I also KNOW that the church of Jesus Christ will never ever be involved in military conflict, because He has already declared in John 18:36 "...My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight..."

So, just as I am assured that true Christianity and Islam of any stripe will never co-mingle - not because of of a perceived threat of physical warfare - but because of the word of God which says in Amos 3:3 - "Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?"

So, Walkinginlove, I am prepared to be guided by the word of God - and His word only - in determining and framing my beliefs and practices. I wish all persons professing Christ will do the same.
To Pneuma Hagion

Kingston, Jamaica

#595 Aug 27, 2009
walkinginlove wrote:
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FYI I am an average Joe! And Jake is correct David did say it and not God, we can argue all day about God agreeing with David but, David did say it, it is clearly delivered that way in the passage.
Put Johnny does not many passages in the Bible, however he has shown an ability to twist that knowledge at times to make if fit his belief system.
You are at liberty, Walkinginlove, to announce to this forum what you believe your competence is in the Bible. However, your assertion and subsequent implication that it is David's opinion that God hates with a perfect hatred (Ps. 139:22) will find no profound theological support. In the first place, Paul declares in II Tim. 3:16 -“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God…” In the Greek this is “Pasa graphe theopneustos” which is more accurately rendered “All scripture is God-breathed.” Peter also chimes in:“for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit”– II Pet. 1:21. You are not going to argue for one moment that David was both a prophet and an inspired writer of the Sacred Scriptures. And so, I will re-state some of the facts which I related in my post to Jake concerning the Imprecatory Psalms:“The imprecatory Psalms are not a matter of personal revenge; rather, these ‘harsh’ statements reflect the Psalmist's (David’s) awareness of God’s justice and his intolerance for sin.” So, this forcefully implies that David is not expressing nor reflecting his own personal disposition (hating the enemies of God with a perfect hatred), but he is expressing THE REALITY WITH GOD!!! Apart from the facts surrounding the Imprecatory Psalms, as an inspired writer David breathes out the words and sentiments which GOD intends, and as a prophet he was not speaking things “according to the will of men” but was in fact “carried along” in his utterances, by the Holy Spirit. So, Walkinginlove, no matter your dislike or disapproval of Mr Robertson’s approach to the defence of the word of God, he is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT correct that God hates with a perfect hatred.
To Pneuma Hagion

Kingston, Jamaica

#596 Aug 27, 2009
walkinginlove wrote:
I'll give you an example, in his zeal to crush the denominational churches he taught that the man who was stopped from casting out demons by the 12 was one of the 72 that Jesus sent out, without going into it in detail that is totally wrong, simply put the man was alone and if Jesus had sent him to do this work he would have evoked Jesus name and he did not.
He taught this to break down another verse that others had quoted for use to defend their churches existence.
I believe it was anyone who is not against us if for us, it's in Luke 9.
So he used the Bible to try and make it fit his belief that other churches should not exist and are false. He totally took the event and twisted it and there is nothing to back up his claim and elements that refute his claim that the man was one of the 72.
So Johnny knows the passages, he does not read them in context because of the bitter root against his father and the training that has convinced him he is the only one right about scripture. I'm sure if he talked about wine vs new wine we would see him also claim grape juice because he also believes in no drinking thus to make things work Jesus has to drink grape juice or be a sinner. The Bible does not back this up at all. But it is part of the training and if he changes any part of it he has also be told he will go to hell for not holding to the doctrine he was taught.
Walkinginlove, it is clear to me that you are not necessarily interested in pursuing truth, but moreso in espousing you disapproval of Mr Robertson's efforts to expose the erring doctrines of the denominations. I have categorily shown that it is the word of God that he hates persistent sinners - many claim that he never hates the sinner but the sin. I have shown that, inasmuch as God loves with a perfect love, that he also hates with a perfect hatred. You have not signalled an agreement with these truthful positions, but merely have sought out other ways to vilify Mr Robertson. With all these claims of deviously twisting the scriptures to fit is doctrine, I have no personal proof of this. Besides, Mr Robertson is not here to defend himself against these accusations. If you can provide aural and or visual proof of these accusations, then I will accommodate them with a response. Failing that I will refrain to comment any further.

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#597 Aug 28, 2009
Then I guess ignorance is bliss since you assume my explanation of his teaching on the man stopped from casting out demons is Perhaps you should ask him yourself if he taught that that man was one of the 72.

A for truth, I believe that the CoC are just another man made list of things that they believe and that some are accurate and some that are driven by that assumptions just like all other churches. The one additional element is that they have chosen a course that says if you do not follow our belief system you are doomed to hell. Thus they bottom feed from other churches sucking members out and causing a lot of wasted energy in this theological Hatfield's and the McCoy's fight while the world turns from God and many are lost that might have been saved.

The point I have made over and over again to all the hardline CoC is that they are not following the "pattern" perfectly and because they claim to do so and that they also judge others salvation on the same grounds that they have walked into a trap that will see them judged for their hypocritical judgment and it will be at a salvation level.

If we judge fellow slaves at a salvation level and we ourselves are not walking perfectly we are asking for God's judgment to come down on us at the same level we sow. God will have to do so or be a liar and he has clearly said he does not lie.

Mr. Robertson sends out DVD's all the time, write him and ask him for the DVD about going to the post office, about the DVD that he goes to Faith Memorial, the DVD where Mark goes door knocking asking "Is your church necessary for salvation" Ask for his teaching on the man stopped from casting out demons.

Pueuma I am not going to argue with you for argument sake if you can't figure out that my response about accepting them if they convert as a straw man response then I can't help you. You are simply using a standard CoC tactic of taking a position to the extreme to try and maneuver the argument towards your position.

Have you finished reading the scripture I posted for you and were you taught that the Thief died under the Old Covenant? And don't post the death of the testator passages since they will only hurt the CoC position.

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#598 Aug 28, 2009
A for truth is As for truth, pc is updating and the keyboard is bugging out sorry.
Johnny Robertson

Fredericksburg, VA

#599 Aug 28, 2009
I must stop here and say thanks be to the wonderful God of Glory who helps his servants when they pray and then go out and seek to find the help that He so abundantly provides.
To what am I so gratefully referring ?
Oh I was at the "freedom Rally" that Johnathan Farwell and cohorts attended in Horsepasture va last night. Big Baptist folk ya know.
And the speaker Jody (have to get back on last name) spoke before Falwel and wanted everyone to know his hero! Her name is Lila.
who is she?
please go here and see if you can connect the dots for why I am so thankful that I was there to see so many of my opponents give Lila the biggest round of applause of the night.

get back to me on those dots "notwalkinlove"
&fe ature=related
Bobby

Dallas, TX

#600 Aug 28, 2009
Hey JR It is obvious that you believe this is the same thing you are doing but it's not. You are harassing children of God with the lie that you alone have truth. These people are working against the enemy. Uh-maybe you are the enemy. Sir, you are a hypocrite of the worst kind. Btw I am ec-coc so you can't snowball me with your exclusive doctrinal tactics. Been there done that!
FOX TROT

United States

#601 Aug 28, 2009
The Knight Shift blogger is right Robertson is a psycho!

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#602 Aug 28, 2009
Johnny Robertson wrote:
I must stop here and say thanks be to the wonderful God of Glory who helps his servants when they pray and then go out and seek to find the help that He so abundantly provides.
To what am I so gratefully referring ?
Oh I was at the "freedom Rally" that Johnathan Farwell and cohorts attended in Horsepasture va last night. Big Baptist folk ya know.
And the speaker Jody (have to get back on last name) spoke before Falwel and wanted everyone to know his hero! Her name is Lila.
who is she?
please go here and see if you can connect the dots for why I am so thankful that I was there to see so many of my opponents give Lila the biggest round of applause of the night.
get back to me on those dots "notwalkinlove"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =v0s4UdySLkgXX&feature=rel ated
Ok you basically have said that other churches are no different then planned parenthood, yes John I am well aware of your anger transference over your fathers leaving home.

Per your teaching Ezra 10 is part of the New Testament even though it is never referenced by the Apostles or Jesus.

Wine is really grape juice even though new wine is clearly used to show wine before it is fermented.

And God hates his own hands since he hates the hands that shed innocent Blood yet you claim he does so.

And Jesus said to use righteous judgment when judging God but to avoid judging your brothers for fear of being judged.

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#603 Aug 28, 2009
How is your father John, whens the last time you honored him?
Johnny Robertson

Fredericksburg, VA

#604 Aug 30, 2009
silly! I don't have to honor an adulterer.
Mt 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
silly children!

In regard to Lila Rose, and Jody Hice statement she is his hero...
she goes in to the enemy...planned parenthood

You are the enemy of truth
Ac 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

so why can they praise her for telling people she is i6 when she is 21, telling that she is pregant etc

all these things she mis states

you are caught
walkingin love .... this is not your name , you are fictional yourself
Johnny Robertson

Fredericksburg, VA

#605 Aug 30, 2009
We are now listening to Chris?

The Knight Shift blogger is right Robertson is a psycho!

Lost his wife since he began taking me on

he has no job
lives with mom again

under doctors care (counciling)

I am pshcho?

Chris is just mad litlle boy, because he exploded when he trie dto take us on

do you home work children
Mt 11:16 ¶ But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Johnny Robertson

Fredericksburg, VA

#606 Aug 30, 2009
walkinlove (fake person complaining about us going in undercover)
says
Mr. Robertson sends out DVD's all the time, write him and ask him for the DVD about going to the post office, about the DVD that he goes to Faith Memorial, the DVD where Mark goes door knocking asking "Is your church necessary for salvation" Ask for his teaching on the man stopped from casting out demons.

I will be happy to send out the dvds in question

please order them FREE
thanks for the advertisement notwalkinlove fake person
Bobby

Dallas, TX

#607 Aug 30, 2009
I can hardly wait for the Lord to separate the wheat from the tares. Right now the tares seem to be thriving... A good garden requires a lot of care and attention, weeds grow without any help.

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#608 Aug 31, 2009
Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.

I didn't notice any conditionals in this command! When you honor your father you are honoring the position not the person, just as David continued to honor Saul even after Saul turned on him!

As for Truth, where do the Apostles quote Ezra 10 in the New Testament?

Since: Oct 08

Danville, VA

#609 Aug 31, 2009
And FYI John my father left when I was one years one, I have walked your road and have learned to honor my father, even though he failed in that position, the position needs honoring per God's command.

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