List of Roman Catholic False Doctrines

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#161 Nov 26, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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You are very delusional if you think you are the world.
One would think the Sprouls would be full of joy and light having discovered the pleasures of paedocommunion. Instead we find them wanking away at night imagining all sorts of evil and expecting others to cater to their depravity.
William

Birmingham, AL

#162 Nov 26, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
How many thousands of low end prot communities have been created over those issues?
Along with yours, which is nothing more than Judaism 2.0, I'd say several thousand from what I can tell.

Judaism 3.0 for them
William

Birmingham, AL

#163 Nov 26, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
The denomination calling itself the Church of Christ never had to look very far for interior decoration ideas...they just copied the Baptist Church.
And you can drive down any street in most any southern town and on just about every street corner there is another homage to a Greek temple which poses as a Baptist, Methodist, or Presbyterian church. Four, six, or eight Doric columns out front, a gable roof with a steeple on top of it, and a cross on top of the steeple which doubles as lightning protection.

The goddess Diana would be so proud. Probably dress up in a hoop skirt for Sunday go-to-meeting in the summertime.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#164 Nov 26, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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You have no valid way to repent. Sure you can change, but God set up the way for sins to be forgiven.
All the study you need is the CCC and next year when RCIA starts you can be taught what you need to become a member of Church Jesus started.
Start attending Mass now, if you dare, and you can see almost all of it comes directly from the Bible.
It is the same worship service all of the early Church Fathers wrote about.
There is no early writings that describe any type of Protestant worship.
We will let cross the Tiber in boat. You wont have to swim.
Since Jesus and the twelve say it's between me, the Lord Jesus and the Father, I don't understand why you think a mass or priest is required. Repentance is to turn back and do what God said. So it's a matter of conscience and heart and will to do His will. What on earth does Mass have to do with my turning to do what God said when 'Mass' isn't even in the OT or NT that I recall. Where is this verse I missed?

Conversely, how does confession to a priest intercede to God? One has to understand what the will of God is to want to do it, and if you can't do that - Mass is no good for anyone except to pretend. Worship isn't a service, unless that service is what He said to do.

There were apostates in the early Church, just as there are now. Some believed and obeyed - some twisted simple direction to their own destruction because they were not able to receive the truth.
Annoying Proxy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#165 Nov 26, 2013
In todays PaPa NEWS which I follow religiously the Pope seems inclined to let politicians and divorced Catholics partake in communion, along with the pedophile priests which already partake. Young, baptized, saved Catholics are still out of luck however. PaPa seems to want to forget unpopular things like homosexuality, abortion, and go for the gold(literally)get those tithes back a rolling in. More of a forget about sin get the numbers up Pope is what we now have, a real Joel Osteen type PaPa. Reporting live from the Badican,(Mr. AP himself)

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Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#166 Nov 26, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yup, let's come up with our own theory since Luke's apparently can't be trusted. JWO guy give that to you too?
I have great respect for Luke, as he tactfully told the truth on Paul and left the evidence for us to find when we wanted to know the actual truth of Jesus Christ. No JWO didn't give me the idea - it's a logical conclusion. Had Paul not brought up the issue it would not have been forgotten, yet Paul is the one who violated it! Just as he violated many other standards of truth - such as saying God didn't give the law to Moses, or that the Law was nailed to the cross, or that the instructions in righteousness whereby God has always blessed His people is actually a curse!

Paul: apostle of Satan and enemy of God.
Annoying Proxy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#167 Nov 26, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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One would think the Sprouls would be full of joy and light having discovered the pleasures of paedocommunion. Instead we find them wanking away at night imagining all sorts of evil and expecting others to cater to their depravity.
In the Catholic church where the Priests were caught up in scandals do you and Mike think that the average Catholics there question their salvation or ever wonder if they were forgiven of their sins when the priest they confessed to was deep into sin all along? Do you think the common Catholic wonders if they have eaten and drunk in an unworthy manner? I am sure some have wondered about the questions I have asked. Naturally you will not answer this question but can a priest forgive sins if he is deep in sin himself does it matter as long as he is a Catholic priest.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#168 Nov 27, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Were you circumcised as an infant? If not would you consent to the procedure as an adult?
Yes, but that isn't the point made. In fact, Jesus taught what true circumcision is, and that it's of the heart. What do you understand having a circumcised heart to be - according to Jesus?

Secondly, the Netzarim teach that adult circumcision is for adults to do to keep the least of the commandments. Based on what Jesus said on the subject, this is the one main point I don't agree with them on, even though I am. But at the same time, I don't seek to disobey the commandments of God or teach others to do so. I've never attended a Jewish Passover observance, but have spent most of my life honoring His death as most Protestants do, which is not dissimilar to Catholic - have the two elements that honor His request, for the same purpose He said it was given. Where we are divided, whether you realize it or not, is that the unity with Christ is not only found in the bread and wine, but also incorporation of the true food of God, that we abide in His words of life - thereby keeping His word in the true sense and also being sanctified by His word and submit to His rule over us in all things - whatsoever He said.

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."

True doctrine is to observe all of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

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#169 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
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And you can drive down any street in most any southern town and on just about every street corner there is another homage to a Greek temple which poses as a Baptist, Methodist, or Presbyterian church. Four, six, or eight Doric columns out front, a gable roof with a steeple on top of it, and a cross on top of the steeple which doubles as lightning protection.
The goddess Diana would be so proud. Probably dress up in a hoop skirt for Sunday go-to-meeting in the summertime.
Steeples are now doubling as cell phone towers...I think there are an equal number of Ionic and Corinthian as well...speaking of which I have 3 acanthus plants which appear to be deer proof.

Since: Sep 13

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#170 Nov 27, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Since Jesus and the twelve say it's between me, the Lord Jesus and the Father, I don't understand why you think a mass or priest is required. Repentance is to turn back and do what God said. So it's a matter of conscience and heart and will to do His will. What on earth does Mass have to do with my turning to do what God said when 'Mass' isn't even in the OT or NT that I recall. Where is this verse I missed?
Conversely, how does confession to a priest intercede to God? One has to understand what the will of God is to want to do it, and if you can't do that - Mass is no good for anyone except to pretend. Worship isn't a service, unless that service is what He said to do.
There were apostates in the early Church, just as there are now. Some believed and obeyed - some twisted simple direction to their own destruction because they were not able to receive the truth.
What do you believe today? Was it you who said the Vatican approved a SDA thesis? So is the SDA getting your attention now.

First of all, wasn't it great that a SDA person was allowed to get his Doctorate and a Vatican approved University.(But then why would he. Oh yeah, its library holds most of Christianities manuscripts and books.)

A thesis does not have to be true to be accepted. It was printed by the Vatican press like all thesis' are and anything printed by the Vatican press has the imprimatur.

His book he wrote about the thesis of course is just crap and therefore not approved.

The NT explicitly says that the bread was broken and collectiona made on the first day.
William

Auburn, AL

#171 Nov 27, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Steeples are now doubling as cell phone towers...I think there are an equal number of Ionic and Corinthian as well...speaking of which I have 3 acanthus plants which appear to be deer proof.
Doric, Ionic, Corinthian, Tuscan, and Composite.

Now you are hip to all five styles of columns.

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#172 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
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Doric, Ionic, Corinthian, Tuscan, and Composite.
Now you are hip to all five styles of columns.
BFA in Art History...I'm hip as hell LOL
William

Birmingham, AL

#173 Nov 27, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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BFA in Art History...I'm hip as hell LOL
Awesome!

Q: what is the definition of Baroque?

A: that is when you are out of Monet

Worst art school joke ever.

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#174 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
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Awesome!
Q: what is the definition of Baroque?
A: that is when you are out of Monet
Worst art school joke ever.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25138...
William

Birmingham, AL

#175 Nov 27, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Nice.

I've been to all the big ones in western Europe, I think. Vatican and St. Paul's in London are to me the most impressive structures. Michaelangelo did the dome at the Vatican but not the entire building. The Christopher Wren churches in England are probably the most iconic. Small or large he pulled it off.

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#176 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
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Nice.
I've been to all the big ones in western Europe, I think. Vatican and St. Paul's in London are to me the most impressive structures. Michaelangelo did the dome at the Vatican but not the entire building. The Christopher Wren churches in England are probably the most iconic. Small or large he pulled it off.
I will vote for King's College Chapel, Canterbury and York Minster but then there's Salisbury, Ely and Westminster Abbey. And they all have fantastic gift shops!
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#177 Nov 27, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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What do you believe today? Was it you who said the Vatican approved a SDA thesis? So is the SDA getting your attention now.
First of all, wasn't it great that a SDA person was allowed to get his Doctorate and a Vatican approved University.(But then why would he. Oh yeah, its library holds most of Christianities manuscripts and books.)
A thesis does not have to be true to be accepted. It was printed by the Vatican press like all thesis' are and anything printed by the Vatican press has the imprimatur.
His book he wrote about the thesis of course is just crap and therefore not approved.
The NT explicitly says that the bread was broken and collectiona made on the first day.
Don't kid yourself. He was the first and the last non Catholic to attend and graduate and have the Papal seal on his book that it is catholic doctrine. Maybe they changed it later, but as you said, he went there to study their ancient writings.

You really shouldn't be so harsh to judge a book you haven't read.

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#178 Nov 27, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Don't kid yourself. He was the first and the last non Catholic to attend and graduate and have the Papal seal on his book that it is catholic doctrine. Maybe they changed it later, but as you said, he went there to study their ancient writings.
You really shouldn't be so harsh to judge a book you haven't read.
This have been going on for years. I have read the reviews his Thesis. It was bunch of crap.

From an Adventist 'Rag'

New Editor at the Adventist »
Bacchiocchi’s Sabbath to Sunday
October 17, 2006

I came across an interesting blog posting at xcg–a blog that deals with the “theology, churches, and culture that grew out of Herbert W. Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God”. In a post entitled “Bacchiochi’s Gregorian Controversy” some interesting data is given regarding the veracity of some of Bacchiochi’s claims about his doctoral study & subsequent book: From Sabbath to Sunday. Now I’m not interested in getting into an arguement about the veracity of Bacchiocchi’s research itself, rather I’m interested in the claims he makes about his education, books, and research.

A letter sent by the Secretary General of the Pontifical Gregorian University to the Most Reverend James A. Murray, Bishop of the Catholic Diocese of Kalamazoo, Michigan; is quoted as saying:

Dr. Bacchiocchi did indeed graduate with a doctoral degree from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome and was the first non-Catholic to do so. However, other claims he makes do not match those in our records. Those include:

1. He did not receive a summa from the Gregorian as he maintains.

2. He did not receive the Pope’s Gold Medal (this is presented each year in a public ceremony to only a handful of students who have achieved the highest quality of work in their dissertations).

3. He was not allowed to publish his dissertation in whole. Due to extensive problems with the text, he was only allowed to publish one chapter of his work and this only after extensive revision. The publication of one chapter signifies the minimum requirement to receive the doctoral degree at the Gregorian. His publicity and web site indicate that the whole dissertation has been published in book form with surrounding claims about its quality as a Gregorian publication. He has also used the official signature of the Gregorian University Press on the cover page of a book published by Biblical Perspectives.

4. At one time an imprimatur was claimed by Dr. Bacchiocchi, though we understand he later said this had been rescinded. As you know, this does not happen, nor does the Church find a need to give an imprimatur to non-Catholics who write on a variety of topics.

It seems that Bacchiocci has a problem.
William

Baton Rouge, LA

#179 Nov 27, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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I will vote for King's College Chapel, Canterbury and York Minster but then there's Salisbury, Ely and Westminster Abbey. And they all have fantastic gift shops!
There is not a single church, Catholic or Protestant, over there that I was in that didn't have a gift shop and a place (several) to drop off money. Many now have websites with a link for donations.

Cash, baby. Cash! Them sins ain't gonna forgive themselves.

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#180 Nov 27, 2013
William wrote:
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There is not a single church, Catholic or Protestant, over there that I was in that didn't have a gift shop and a place (several) to drop off money. Many now have websites with a link for donations.
Cash, baby. Cash! Them sins ain't gonna forgive themselves.
You are correct and it is quite understandable given that most have a huge and steady stream of tourists trampling through requiring amenities which cannot be provided by a parish's ordinary collections. The maintenance on these ancient structures is enormous and they can't simply go to Lowe's and pickup some roofing patch when there is a leak in the lead. I can't recall which one but I even had to buy a permit to take pics inside. Didn't mind at all even though the church had been stolen from the Catholic Church. My gift shop purchases were mostly cd's of the choirs but I do have a small piece of blue stained glass in a leaded frame from the restorations at Salisbury Cathedral which hangs on the Christmas tree every year along with a scone from afternoon tea at the Palm Court of the Ritz Hotel. The very, very best gift shop has to be in the crypt at St. Martin in the Fields where you can have lunch/dinner and attend a candle lit concert in the nave.

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