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Same old, same old. Tired objections to Catholicism based on twisted perceptions and outright lies. My hunch is that Christ would fling up his hands and call you a bunch of ninnies for refusing to proceed honestly. The nitpicking is extraneous anyway. Just pay attention to the nuts and bolts of Christianity and stop fussing at each other about fripperies. Do you REALLY think God gives a rap whether you pour or dunk?

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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I'm not the least bit interested in reading a Catholic CREED BOOK!!!
Their CREED book may say they believe all Catholics are priests & saints - but, they practice something very different! I don't believe they use every Catholic as a mediator - like they do their "Priests & Saints".
Is it not a common practice for Catholics to use Mary (the mother of Jesus) & dead saints to pray to or through? I'm pretty sure they don't pray to & use each other as mediators like they do Mary & those dead saints.
Oh, and can you tell me why Catholics need CREED BOOKS?
All you need to be a Christian is a Bible...
There is no such thing as a Catholic "CREED BOOK." You are beginning to look quite stupid.

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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Why does it take so long for someone to become a Catholic - when in the bible we read of many cases of people only HEARING THE GOSPEL ONLY ONE TIME & BELIEVING & BEING BAPTIZED???
Becoming a Christian is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. The bible is written in a manner that is so simple - a child cold understand. Why do some adults want to make it so difficult???
Christ did not lie!
His church, "the church of Christ" NEVER DIED OUT!
When we say Alexander Campbell & others RESTORED the New Testament Church - we mean that the church was restored in this part of the world.
But, since we did not have mass communication centuries & centuries ago - we had no way of knowing where & how many small churches of Christ was located throughout the world.
What Alexander Campbell & others did back in the 1800's was take the bible - and used it as their ONLY GUIDE - in order to duplicate (to the best of their ability) word for word - EXACTLY THE SAME CHURCH WE READ ABOUT IN THE BIBLE (the first century church).
The church of Christ is the ONLY church that as gone to such great lengths to re-create the EXACT CHURCH THAT JESUS SPEAKS OF IN THE BIBLE. This was done without any kind of prejudice, political or monetary ties, or ties with any other church, creed or belief.
The church of Christ is based entirely on the TRUE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE...
That is why you will find the church of Christ follows the teachings of the bible MORE CLOSELY than any other religion, church or denomination in the whole world...
That is also why you will find most members of the church of Christ are much more knowledgable than any other church, religion or denomination in the world...
When we talk about RESTORING THE CHURCH. This is not very different from what we do when we go to remote parts of the world (as missionaries) to bring the Gospel to them. We RESTORE or RECREATE THE CHURCH WE READ ABOUT IN THE BIBLE...
The church of Christ SPEAKS WHERE THE BIBLE SPEAKS & REMAINS SILENT WHERE THE BIBLE IS SILENT...
I've been holding back a bit but I'm going to have to call steaming bullshit on this post.

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"Stir-up, we beseech thee, O Lord, the wills of thy faithful people;
that they, plenteously bringing forth the fruit of good works,
may of thee be plenteously rewarded; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

November 24, 2013 is Stir Up Sunday. Where? In the church which gave the denomination known as the Church of Christ its Bible and whose head owns and wears more jewels and robes than any pope could even dream about. What does one do on Stir Up Sunday? Go home from church and make your Christmas Puddings. I must confess I will be doing the same thing but I've officially given up the search for suet.

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Breaking News from the church which gave the denomination known as the Church of Christ its Bible:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/...
William

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Nov 21, 2013
 
MarkEden wrote:
Breaking News from the church which gave the denomination known as the Church of Christ its Bible:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/...
Excellent PR move. It also allows the COE to attract new employees in an otherwise shrinking market. Appealing to women to join the company in an official capacity is long overdue for churches. Otherwise, if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody gonna be happy.
William

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Nov 21, 2013
 
MarkEden wrote:
"Stir-up, we beseech thee, O Lord, the wills of thy faithful people;
that they, plenteously bringing forth the fruit of good works,
may of thee be plenteously rewarded; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

November 24, 2013 is Stir Up Sunday. Where? In the church which gave the denomination known as the Church of Christ its Bible and whose head owns and wears more jewels and robes than any pope could even dream about. What does one do on Stir Up Sunday? Go home from church and make your Christmas Puddings. I must confess I will be doing the same thing but I've officially given up the search for suet.
The Hasty Pudding Prosperity Preachin' and Pontificatin' gospel? Does Joel Osteen own the trademark?

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William wrote:
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Excellent PR move. It also allows the COE to attract new employees in an otherwise shrinking market. Appealing to women to join the company in an official capacity is long overdue for churches. Otherwise, if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody gonna be happy.
Chances are better it will have the opposite effect, turning the trickle of Anglican to Catholic conversions into a deluge.
William

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Nov 21, 2013
 
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Chances are better it will have the opposite effect, turning the trickle of Anglican to Catholic conversions into a deluge.
I don't see that happening. Women hit a glass ceiling in your church. Now, if New Dad tells HR to start hiring women as priests, then we are talking real change.

But that doesn't appear likely.

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William wrote:
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I don't see that happening. Women hit a glass ceiling in your church. Now, if New Dad tells HR to start hiring women as priests, then we are talking real change.
But that doesn't appear likely.
Fried muslim fumes?
William

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Nov 21, 2013
 
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Fried muslim fumes?
You can thank me later.
Older and Wiser

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Dave P wrote:
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I understand perfectly and can read in context, unlike you apparently. Highly possible the sabbath, and jewish feast days might be in play here correct old man? Paul is speaking of real freedom and liberty in Romans- do all to the Lord. If it's special to you, observe it to Him.
You do realize that Paul was in the synagogues on the sabbath and did go back to Jerusalem for the Jewish festivals right? Observing those days weren't sin for those people, trying to be justified by the law was wrong.
You're probably like Heath- don't even mention Easter, or heaven forbid Christmas. Hellfire for sure!
You just don't get it do you?

Paul chastized the people for clinging onto the old law of keeping special & holy days - because it was part of the old law of Moses.

This is very much like the Catholic church does today. It mandates holy days. However, at another time he told the people if some of those holy days were special to them - they could keep observing them if they wanted.

The difference here is that in the New Testament Church - WE ARE NOT TO MANDATE HOLY DAYS...(like the Catholics do)
Dave P

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The difference here is that in the New Testament Church - WE ARE NOT TO MANDATE HOLY DAYS...(like the Catholics do)

Where's that scripture? 2 Opinions 3:9?
Barnsweb

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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The context of that statement must be looked at in the the culture at the time. Polygamy was practiced rampantly in the area, and so Paul’s statement was that one could only have one wife. In fact, the statement that one could only have one wife does not mandate that one must have one wife to be a bishop. The Catholic Church teaching on celibacy is a practice, not a doctrine. It is true that in the Latin rite of the Church, there is a mandate that one is celibate, though it does allow exceptions. In the Eastern rite, which coexists within the Catholic Church, priests are allowed to marry. If Paul opposes unmarried bishops, he would obviously oppose himself. The following is from Art Sippo’s writing on the issue found here: New Testament Ministerial Priesthood
Let's see what St Paul also says:
1Cor7: 7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. 8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do. 9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.
St Paul says nothing about celibacy being "optional." He says that he wants every unmarried person to STAY unmarried like him. It is almost as if he were COUNSELLING people that it is better to be unmarried than married and that marriage is a concession made to WEAK brethren, not to those who are strong in the Lord. Where did St Paul get this idea? Matthew 19:29 And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. Luke 14: 26 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple." Luke 18:29 And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God,30 who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life."
So I guess JESUS was the one who INSISTED on such single minded devotion. It is true that not all Christians are called to celibacy but only those who in Jesus' words are willing to "make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:12)
Jesus also taught the necessity of keeping and abiding in His words that lead to eternal life, as well as the instructions in righteousness from the Torah, Prophets and Psalms. Yet Catholics ascribe equal authority to their peculiar traditions and Papal decrees. Those traditions and decrees are not found in the words of Jesus from the Father. Thereby, you testify against the Church of Christ that abides in the teachings of the Master Teacher, Redeemer and King of Christianity!

Jesus was much more clear than Paul - yet you've twisted Paul's word to lead away from keeping the very first commandment of God as nothing - "Be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth". The very economy of God is based on the faithful family - not decrees of ugly men who couldn't get a wife to marry them and too often prefer the company of men. The error is self-evident, whether you see it or not.

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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You just don't get it do you?
Paul chastized the people for clinging onto the old law of keeping special & holy days - because it was part of the old law of Moses.
This is very much like the Catholic church does today. It mandates holy days. However, at another time he told the people if some of those holy days were special to them - they could keep observing them if they wanted.
The difference here is that in the New Testament Church - WE ARE NOT TO MANDATE HOLY DAYS...(like the Catholics do)
Maybe you can answer why 1/2 of your membership live in Texas and Tenn? Paden says that they are more receptive to the truth in those places.
Barnsweb

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Dave P wrote:
The difference here is that in the New Testament Church - WE ARE NOT TO MANDATE HOLY DAYS...(like the Catholics do)
Where's that scripture? 2 Opinions 3:9?
Who mandates to those of God but God Himself? God has mandated set-apart days. Yet the CoC ignores God and what He said to do.

To set aside His commandments - even the least of them, would be wrong. To set aside those He said matter the most may well be a deal-breaker of His covenant of the gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Each and every time He judged Israel it was for violation of one of the 'big ten', yet both CoC and Catholics pretend they don't apply unless they say so?

Talk about blindness....let alone pretending not singing when a piano or organ is played somehow makes their worship better than another? As I've pointed out, the star pattern He gave in the beginning, the one for praise He alone is due is a musical instrument! A lyre! The same instrument David played...

Both Catholics and Church of Christ testify against the truth of God in some degree or another. If either of you tried to "abide" in the Doctrine of God you would know better.
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Older and Wiser wrote:
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You just don't get it do you?
Paul chastized the people for clinging onto the old law of keeping special & holy days - because it was part of the old law of Moses.
This is very much like the Catholic church does today. It mandates holy days. However, at another time he told the people if some of those holy days were special to them - they could keep observing them if they wanted.
The difference here is that in the New Testament Church - WE ARE NOT TO MANDATE HOLY DAYS...(like the Catholics do)
You should consider what God said. Go back and read it. It was God, not angels who are no God who gave the Torah to Israel - Paul couldn't even get that fact straight, and for the life of me it is the most telling remark Paul ever gave to know what he actually believed and proved him a liar.

Jesus taught to return and do what God decreed and said the additions and subtractions of men were a great evil. God gave His Spirit that those who possess it would be careful to do what He said from their hearts. Paul even testified against this! Paul said those who believed the truth were "weak" in faith.

Believe a lie if you want, but you'll find yourselves in the group Jesus said He didn't even know, in spite of what they considered doing great things in His name. Get back to the meaning of the text - whether Greek or Aramaic - He said this warning to those who were against the Torah of God - and when you pretend, as Paul, that Jesus nailed the Torah to the cross - you testify against one of the prophecies He came to make good on - that He would glorify and magnify the Torah and cause the Gentiles to keep Torah!

So you believe Paul over the Prophets and the Messiah.
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Have you ever looked up Pentecost in the OT? Could it be that God sent His Spirit on the very same day as He gave the Law? And that the Spirit and the Torah agree and are meant to go together?

Ez. 36:25-27 Peter gave more that Joel to in that first sermon, and it's too bad Luke failed to record what Peter said about that passage.

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Barnsweb wrote:
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You should consider what God said. Go back and read it. It was God, not angels who are no God who gave the Torah to Israel - Paul couldn't even get that fact straight, and for the life of me it is the most telling remark Paul ever gave to know what he actually believed and proved him a liar.
Jesus taught to return and do what God decreed and said the additions and subtractions of men were a great evil. God gave His Spirit that those who possess it would be careful to do what He said from their hearts. Paul even testified against this! Paul said those who believed the truth were "weak" in faith.
Believe a lie if you want, but you'll find yourselves in the group Jesus said He didn't even know, in spite of what they considered doing great things in His name. Get back to the meaning of the text - whether Greek or Aramaic - He said this warning to those who were against the Torah of God - and when you pretend, as Paul, that Jesus nailed the Torah to the cross - you testify against one of the prophecies He came to make good on - that He would glorify and magnify the Torah and cause the Gentiles to keep Torah!
So you believe Paul over the Prophets and the Messiah.
When you fly on a plane do you see a creature on the wing that nobody else can see?

You are seriously on the fringe and God has done a terrible job getting your version of the Truth out.
Roman Catholic Sproul

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Mike_Peterson wrote:
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When you fly on a plane do you see a creature on the wing that nobody else can see?
You are seriously on the fringe and God has done a terrible job getting your version of the Truth out.
Here we have an individual who spends more time in the scriptures than all of the three Catholics on here combined. All any of the Catholics have managed to come up with so far is mental waste material, rarely ever scripture related. He has challenged you countless times and you have fallen short. If you could put forth a convincing argument Barnsweb would accept the truth, if you did in fact put that forward. Where is this truth you speak of?

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