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Yeah, the accounts in Acts and 1 Corinthians aren't scriptural support are they? The church was gathering on Sunday and Jesus never said anything was wrong with that either.
The stated fact of Paul's going away dinner being used to preach long into the night isn't proof the Sabbath was changed to Sunday - it can't be any more authority over Gods revelation than when Paul said the Law was given as a curse to Isreal by those who are no God, but beggarly elements (angels).

It was common practice for early Christians, as well as those who were converted Jews to share a meal at the end of Sabbath. Even Paul kept the appointments with God at Jerusalem. The evidence is in Acts. So is the fact that Peter was sent to the Gentiles - rather than Paul's account that Paul was given this ministry. After II Timothy, evidence is sealed that Paul was rejected by ALL Christians in Asia.(II Tim. 4)

Luke was a rarity of early Church history. So Luke records both sides of the conflicting accounts. If we believe what God has said long beforehand through Moses and the Spirit, we would know to prove Paul either true or false. We have much more evidence on Paul than the Bereans had - one sermon VS 13 books placed in the NT by RCC.

Either Paul was true, or Paul did just as Jesus accused the false claim to apostlehood in Rev. 2,3.

I used to place great value on Paul, but thank God I discovered the true testimony about Paul from Jesus Christ.

No need to read the book, "Jesus' Words Only", as there are a number of talks on YouTube now. There is no escaping the truth about the lies of Paul.

Just reading all the accounts of his conversion on the road shows Paul was incapable to tell the truth on Himself. Every one else in Asia was able to judge Paul a lair - according to Revelation - that he did do exactly what was undeniable.

It's like Paul was the Christian Obama. He's the only one who cannot face the fact that he lied. He goes from bad to worse.
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Barnsweb wrote:
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The stated fact of Paul's going away dinner being used to preach long into the night isn't proof the Sabbath was changed to Sunday - it can't be any more authority over Gods revelation than when Paul said the Law was given as a curse to Isreal by those who are no God, but beggarly elements (angels).
It was common practice for early Christians, as well as those who were converted Jews to share a meal at the end of Sabbath. Even Paul kept the appointments with God at Jerusalem. The evidence is in Acts. So is the fact that Peter was sent to the Gentiles - rather than Paul's account that Paul was given this ministry. After II Timothy, evidence is sealed that Paul was rejected by ALL Christians in Asia.(II Tim. 4)

You need a another layw
Luke was a rarity of early Church history. So Luke records both sides of the conflicting accounts. If we believe what God has said long beforehand through Moses and the Spirit, we would know to prove Paul either true or false. We have much more evidence on Paul than the Bereans had - one sermon VS 13 books placed in the NT by RCC.
Either Paul was true, or Paul did just as Jesus accused the false claim to apostlehood in Rev. 2,3.
I used to place great value on Paul, but thank God I discovered the true testimony about Paul from Jesus Christ.
No need to read the book, "Jesus' Words Only", as there are a number of talks on YouTube now. There is no escaping the truth about the lies of Paul.
Just reading all the accounts of his conversion on the road shows Paul was incapable to tell the truth on Himself. Every one else in Asia was able to judge Paul a lair - according to Revelation - that he did do exactly what was undeniable.
It's like Paul was the Christian Obama. He's the only one who cannot face the fact that he lied. He goes from bad to worse.
St Paul = Obama?

The sad part is BW is just as correct in his interpretation as any other low end Prot. It is his opinion. Everybody has one.

But he does need a another layer of tin foil on his hat.

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Mike_Peterson wrote:
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St Paul = Obama?
The sad part is BW is just as correct in his interpretation as any other low end Prot. It is his opinion. Everybody has one.
But he does need a another layer of tin foil on his hat.
I would advise him to switch to mylar and have a suit made.
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Mike_Peterson wrote:
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St Paul = Obama?
The sad part is BW is just as correct in his interpretation as any other low end Prot. It is his opinion. Everybody has one.
But he does need a another layer of tin foil on his hat.
Genesis 49 speaks of the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jesus warned of wolves in sheeps clothing - but few take Him seriously.
Jesus tells us in Revelation 2 was a liar who claimed to be an apostle.
Paul himself testified everyone in Asia abandoned him at his first defense.

It isn't my opinion. It's believing God and Jesus, and to do that with credibility, you have to go where the evidence leads.

It is certainly possible that Paul fits, as the things noted are easily shown to be taught by Paul by his own pen and accounts in his letters a unique theology that has Jesus telling lies? You should have more depth of mind, but defer to the easy way out and are not capable to have the word of God provide the true testimony of the truth that is from God and the Son.

Show us in the Bible - minus the words of Paul - that God was going to do away with the Torah. Isaiah says the Messiah would magnify Torah and make it honorable. Should we ignore the record of Isaiah to defer to Paul? What would the best Scriptural support to justify deferring to Paul?
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I would advise him to switch to mylar and have a suit made.
If it works for you fine but not everyone has a trust fund and can afford mylar suits.

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<quoted text>If it works for you fine but not everyone has a trust fund and can afford mylar suits.
Amazing! A Sproul post without the word pedophile.
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Amazing! A Sproul post without the word pedophile.
Sorry I will catch up when you least expect it, it's called shock and awe. I must admit you do wear mylar suits well. They look very appropriate for a man of your stature.
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The stated fact of Paul's going away dinner being used to preach long into the night isn't proof the Sabbath was changed to Sunday - it can't be any more authority over Gods revelation than when Paul said the Law was given as a curse to Isreal by those who are no God, but beggarly elements (angels).

1- nice dodgeball on the Corinthians passage.
2- They met on the first day of the week. That means something.
3- Final part of this segment is garbage. No understanding on your part whatsoever.

After II Timothy, evidence is sealed that Paul was rejected by ALL Christians in Asia.

*But yet, at the time of writing, wasn't Timothy, Crescens, Tychius, and others in Ephesus, Galatia, aka Asia?

No need to read the book, "Jesus' Words Only", as there are a number of talks on YouTube now. There is no escaping the truth about the lies of Paul.

*Yes, you've been endoctrinated (brainwashed) now. Watch your YouTube videos in peace Alex Jones.

Just reading all the accounts of his conversion on the road shows Paul was incapable to tell the truth on Himself. Every one else in Asia was able to judge Paul a lair - according to Revelation - that he did do exactly what was undeniable.

*Absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Revelation is speaking of Paul. PS- it's liar, not lair. And you never call Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John liars for different accounts of similar events. Hypocrisy.

Genesis 49 speaks of the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jesus warned of wolves in sheeps clothing - but few take Him seriously.
Jesus tells us in Revelation 2 was a liar who claimed to be an apostle.
Paul himself testified everyone in Asia abandoned him at his first defense.

It isn't my opinion.

*Completely without context, out of context, abject nonsense. Yes, it is your opinion, and very few share it (thank God).

Show us in the Bible - minus the words of Paul - that God was going to do away with the Torah.

*JustChristian showed you a few days ago Jesus' own words- not JWO guy words- and you completely ignored it.

Fruitcake weather. You've let others rob you of your prize.
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Barnsweb wrote:
Genesis 49 speaks of the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jesus warned of wolves in sheeps clothing - but few take Him seriously.
Jesus tells us in Revelation 2 was a liar who claimed to be an apostle.
Paul himself testified everyone in Asia abandoned him at his first defense.
It isn't my opinion.
[QUOTE who="Dave P"]*Completely without context, out of context, abject nonsense.
A wolf in sheep's clothing is not unreasonable in describing Paul and his persecution of Christians. Jesus never claimed made Paul an apostle by any account other than that of Paul or his disciples. I didn't bother looking at the original but wolves and false apostles being plural could possibly even still apply. We still have those among us who claim to be apostles and persecute the church from within. There is no proof of who this is but from the bible there aren't a lot who make the claim of being an apostle and even fewer that Jesus claimed to be an apostle in a scripture that is not connected to the claim. I think BW certainly has a point in questioning who these apostles are and I haven't heard any other ideas from anyone else who these false apostles are. Jesus commends the church for taking action and you don't have any idea of who those dangerous teachers were? Who were they?

Revelation 2: To the Church in Ephesus
1 "To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands.
2 "'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.
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And consider the books Paul wrote - there is a record. When Paul refused to face the Church regarding his false teachings, Paul refused to go to leaders in the Church. Why did he do that when he wrote of the need to solve/resolve with fellow believers - rather than the government.

Who did Paul place in charge when he went to prison? That's one option to consider - the other did a Paul did. Could it be Timothy?

The second issue that bugs me is how most Churches put little thought to Tertullian. Those who are evil cannot base their belief and faith in what the record of the original twelve and the Messiah Himself, or the record of Moses and direction from God given through other Prophets.

Why are we to believe what Paul said when he gave false prophecy, false testimony of his own accounts, and didn't teach the gospel as taught by the Master.

It's only possible to believe in Paul if you don't pay attention to what Paul taught that was at odds with the gospel of Master Yeshua. Jesus said people don't come to Him for learning because they don't love the truth.
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Dave P wrote:
The stated fact of Paul's going away dinner being used to preach long into the night isn't proof the Sabbath was changed to Sunday - it can't be any more authority over Gods revelation than when Paul said the Law was given as a curse to Isreal by those who are no God, but beggarly elements (angels).
1- nice dodgeball on the Corinthians passage.
2- They met on the first day of the week. That means something.
3- Final part of this segment is garbage. No understanding on your part whatsoever.
After II Timothy, evidence is sealed that Paul was rejected by ALL Christians in Asia.
*But yet, at the time of writing, wasn't Timothy, Crescens, Tychius, and others in Ephesus, Galatia, aka Asia?
No need to read the book, "Jesus' Words Only", as there are a number of talks on YouTube now. There is no escaping the truth about the lies of Paul.
*Yes, you've been endoctrinated (brainwashed) now. Watch your YouTube videos in peace Alex Jones.
Just reading all the accounts of his conversion on the road shows Paul was incapable to tell the truth on Himself. Every one else in Asia was able to judge Paul a lair - according to Revelation - that he did do exactly what was undeniable.
*Absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Revelation is speaking of Paul. PS- it's liar, not lair. And you never call Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John liars for different accounts of similar events. Hypocrisy.
Genesis 49 speaks of the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jesus warned of wolves in sheeps clothing - but few take Him seriously.
Jesus tells us in Revelation 2 was a liar who claimed to be an apostle.
Paul himself testified everyone in Asia abandoned him at his first defense.
It isn't my opinion.
*Completely without context, out of context, abject nonsense. Yes, it is your opinion, and very few share it (thank God).
Show us in the Bible - minus the words of Paul - that God was going to do away with the Torah.
*JustChristian showed you a few days ago Jesus' own words- not JWO guy words- and you completely ignored it.
Fruitcake weather. You've let others rob you of your prize.
I have no fear of accusing Paul truthfully and by the gospel of Jesus Christ. You're the one with issues. Can you point to the post I missed from JustChristian?

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I have no fear of accusing Paul truthfully and by the gospel of Jesus Christ. You're the one with issues. Can you point to the post I missed from JustChristian?
It is really awesome to see how just just 2 or 3 SSers on this forum can completely demonstrate the folly of this asinine,unbiblical doctrine.

Everything from Obama is the new St Paul to claiming that Jesus does not care anything about children until they reach puberty or whatever one's definition of age of accountability is. Baptist communities who don't think baptism is necessary. A community that Jesus hid for 1700 years. That is almost even with Joe Smith. Wonder if Campbell and Stone were related to Joe.

Yet some of them stand up and preach to others and claim they are right and everybody else is wrong, leading them to error and even worse.
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<quoted text>A wolf in sheep's clothing is not unreasonable in describing Paul and his persecution of Christians. Jesus never claimed made Paul an apostle by any account other than that of Paul or his disciples. I didn't bother looking at the original but wolves and false apostles being plural could possibly even still apply. We still have those among us who claim to be apostles and persecute the church from within. There is no proof of who this is but from the bible there aren't a lot who make the claim of being an apostle and even fewer that Jesus claimed to be an apostle in a scripture that is not connected to the claim. I think BW certainly has a point in questioning who these apostles are and I haven't heard any other ideas from anyone else who these false apostles are. Jesus commends the church for taking action and you don't have any idea of who those dangerous teachers were? Who were they?
Revelation 2: To the Church in Ephesus
1 "To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands.
2 "'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.
1. Paul wasn't pretending to be a Christian when he persecuted the church. He wasn't a wolf in sheep's clothing.

2. Too much emphasis is put on the "apostle" idea. Paul never claimed to be one of the 12, no one else said he was one of the 12. But an apostle, a delegated authority, one sent? Yes, he could be that, as could others.

3. Isn't it more likely that the false apostles, prophets, aren't named by name in the Scripture? They would be known by their fruits. Naming names was never mentioned.
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BW- And consider the books Paul wrote - there is a record. When Paul refused to face the Church regarding his false teachings, Paul refused to go to leaders in the Church. Why did he do that when he wrote of the need to solve/resolve with fellow believers - rather than the government.

Dave- Paul refused to face the church regarding his false teachings. Where is this recorded, 2 Opinions 15:27? Or in some cave not found until 100 years ago? Either way, it's not scripture nor factual. Wake up Alex Jones.

BW- Who did Paul place in charge when he went to prison? That's one option to consider - the other did a Paul did. Could it be Timothy?

Dave- Now what- Timothy is a liar and fraud?

BW- The second issue that bugs me is how most Churches put little thought to Tertullian.

Dave- Who is Tertullian? What Bible book did he write? Why in the world is he important?

BW- Why are we to believe what Paul said when he gave false prophecy, false testimony of his own accounts, and didn't teach the gospel as taught by the Master.

It's only possible to believe in Paul if you don't pay attention to what Paul taught that was at odds with the gospel of Master Yeshua.

Dave- you only can come to those conclusions when you have listened to false teachers, don't read or pay attention to what Paul actually said, and have some sort of bias.
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BW, still played dodgeball on the Corinthians passage and the first day of the week.
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Lets see if you find these words of Christ of interest.

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [h]the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Did Christ do what he said he came to earth to do? If not how did he fail?
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I have no fear of accusing Paul truthfully and by the gospel of Jesus Christ. You're the one with issues. Can you point to the post I missed from JustChristian?
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It is really awesome to see how just just 2 or 3 SSers on this forum can completely demonstrate the folly of this asinine,unbiblical doctrine.
Everything from Obama is the new St Paul to claiming that Jesus does not care anything about children until they reach puberty or whatever one's definition of age of accountability is. Baptist communities who don't think baptism is necessary. A community that Jesus hid for 1700 years. That is almost even with Joe Smith. Wonder if Campbell and Stone were related to Joe.
Yet some of them stand up and preach to others and claim they are right and everybody else is wrong, leading them to error and even worse.
I agree with the first point. It is folly and asinine.
Second- don't misrepresent what others believe. No one thinks that Jesus cares nothing about children. You catholics complain that others don't fairly represent your beliefs- don't do the same.

Three- yes, Joe Smith was a "restorationist" along with Campbell and Stone. Don't tell the coc- they won't believe it.

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As the First Sunday of Advent comes to a close I'm wondering how many in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ will be singing this very Catholic hymn over the next few weeks:


Veni veni, Emmanuel
captivum solve Israel,
qui gemit in exsilio,
privatus Dei Filio.
R: Gaude! Gaude! Emmanuel,
nascetur pro te Israel!
Veni, O Sapientia,
quae hic disponis omnia,
veni, viam prudentiae
ut doceas et gloriae. R.
Veni, veni, Adonai,
qui populo in Sinai
legem dedisti vertice
in maiestate gloriae. R.
Veni, O Iesse virgula,
ex hostis tuos ungula,
de specu tuos tartari
educ et antro barathri. R.
Veni, Clavis Davidica,
regna reclude caelica,
fac iter tutum superum,
et claude vias inferum. R.
Veni, veni O Oriens,
solare nos adveniens,
noctis depelle nebulas,
dirasque mortis tenebras. R. Veni, veni, Rex Gentium,
veni, Redemptor omnium,
ut salvas tuos famulos
peccati sibi conscios. R.
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MarkEden wrote:
As the First Sunday of Advent comes to a close I'm wondering how many in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ will be singing this very Catholic hymn over the next few weeks:
Veni veni, Emmanuel
captivum solve Israel,
qui gemit in exsilio,
privatus Dei Filio.
R: Gaude! Gaude! Emmanuel,
nascetur pro te Israel!
Veni, O Sapientia,
quae hic disponis omnia,
veni, viam prudentiae
ut doceas et gloriae. R.
Veni, veni, Adonai,
qui populo in Sinai
legem dedisti vertice
in maiestate gloriae. R.
Veni, O Iesse virgula,
ex hostis tuos ungula,
de specu tuos tartari
educ et antro barathri. R.
Veni, Clavis Davidica,
regna reclude caelica,
fac iter tutum superum,
et claude vias inferum. R.
Veni, veni O Oriens,
solare nos adveniens,
noctis depelle nebulas,
dirasque mortis tenebras. R. Veni, veni, Rex Gentium,
veni, Redemptor omnium,
ut salvas tuos famulos
peccati sibi conscios. R.
None- we don't speak in tongues lol. The Sommer bunch don't even acknowledge Christmas. Hellfire for doing so. Heath will have a post up on it in a couple of weeks.

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None- we don't speak in tongues lol. The Sommer bunch don't even acknowledge Christmas. Hellfire for doing so. Heath will have a post up on it in a couple of weeks.
I was looking into the Sommer/Christmas thing and was astonished to find prot website after prot website bashing the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ. There is even a 15 part CofC bashing video series on Youtube. And funny thing, the Sprouls were linked to on a CofC bashing site. Those guys get around! I was unable to find any Catholic website which bashed the CofC...it was all prots doing the bashing! Cracks me up!

O come, O come, Emmanuel, and ransom captive Israel, that mourns in lonely exile here until the Son of God appear. R: Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel, shall come to thee o Israel! O come, Thou Wisdom, from on high, and order all things far and nigh; to us the path of knowledge show, and teach us in her ways to go. R. O come, o come, Thou Lord of might, who to thy tribes on Sinai's height in ancient times did give the law, in cloud, and majesty, and awe. R. O come, Thou Rod of Jesse's stem, from ev'ry foe deliver them that trust Thy mighty power to save, and give them vict'ry o'er the grave. R. O come, Thou Key of David, come, and open wide our heav'nly home, make safe the way that leads on high, that we no more have cause to sigh. R. O come, Thou Dayspring from on high, and cheer us by thy drawing nigh; disperse the gloomy clouds of night and death's dark shadow put to flight. R. O come, Desire of the nations, bind in one the hearts of all mankind; bid every strife and quarrel cease and fill the world with heaven's peace. R.

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