Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#23 Apr 20, 2013
William wrote:
"If you are baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit and don't die in the state of mortal sin, you have a good shot."
So, it's basically just a bathtub-based crap-shoot?
.

Not at all. Obey the Church Jesus started. Whoever hears his Church hears Jesus.

Take part in the Sacraments, obey the commandments, and confess your sins. Pray often. It is actually pretty straight forward.

The Protestant view is much more random. Any person can' and do everyday, start their own church and decides on their own how Jesus said the way to salvation is. You have to pick from 30,000 different beliefs on your own and hope to get it right.

It is a democracy. Sorry Jesus created Kingdom. Americans have a problem with authority.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#24 Apr 20, 2013
nobody wrote:
Should read, What are the keys of the kingdom unto the Catholics? How do they make Peter a Pope?
a

During the time when Jesus was alive, the King had the keys to his Kingdom. If it was a walled city, it included the keys to the gates. It included the keys to the palace and to the treasury. When the King left he gave these keys to his 2nd in command. He was in charge then.

When Jesus gave the Keys to his Kingdom to Peter, all the Jews knew exactly what that meant. Peter was now in charge.

Every time the apostles were listed as a whole in the Bible, Peter was listed first. The first to preach at Pentecost was Peter. When the apostles were arrested, Peter spoke to them. When they ran to the tomb on Easter, John got there first. He waited for Peter to go in first.

Peter was the only human to walk on water. He was the only apostle that God spoke to personally, when Jesus asked them who they thought he was.

He was the only one of the twelve he renamed. If fact he renamed him twice. Cephas on the day he met him, which mean rock in Aramic and Peter which means rock in Greek. It is the first time in history that a man was called Peter.

Peter was our first Pope, which means Pappa in Italian. We know the name of every successor of his till today.
William

Birmingham, AL

#25 Apr 20, 2013
"When Jesus gave the Keys to his Kingdom to Peter, all the Jews knew exactly what that meant. Peter was now in charge."

Galatians 2:14

"But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

Sure does look like your boy Peter got crack-slapped by Paul.

Hard.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#27 Apr 20, 2013
William wrote:
"When Jesus gave the Keys to his Kingdom to Peter, all the Jews knew exactly what that meant. Peter was now in charge."
Galatians 2:14
"But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"
Sure does look like your boy Peter got crack-slapped by Paul.
Hard.
All men are sinners. Peter sat at the wrong table. Peter deserved that. That "slap" did not knock the keys out of Peter's pocket into Paul's though.

Rom. 15:20 - Paul says he doesn't want to build on "another man's foundation" referring to Peter, who built the Church in Rome.

1 Cor. 15:4-8 - Paul distinguishes Jesus' post-resurrection appearances to Peter from those of the other apostles. Christ appeared “to Cephas, then to the twelve.”

2 Peter 3:16 - Peter is making a judgment on the proper interpretation of Paul's letters. Peter is the chief shepherd of the flock.

Gal.1:18 - Paul spends fifteen days with Peter privately before beginning his ministry, even after Christ's Revelation to Paul.

Mark 14:37 - at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.

Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.

John 21:15-17 - Jesus charges Peter to "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Sheep means all people, even the apostles.

Acts 5:15 - Peter's shadow has healing power. No other apostle is said to have this power.

Many many more
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#28 Apr 20, 2013
Nobody is claiming that their belief system or church or denomination has the fullness of the truth. Jesus left us a Church with that truth and said he would protect it until the end of ages.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#29 Apr 20, 2013
Yes, that's how He left it, but didn't He also pose the question if faith would even be on the earth at His return?
nobody

Cleveland, GA

#30 Apr 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>a
During the time when Jesus was alive, the King had the keys to his Kingdom. If it was a walled city, it included the keys to the gates. It included the keys to the palace and to the treasury. When the King left he gave these keys to his 2nd in command. He was in charge then.
When Jesus gave the Keys to his Kingdom to Peter, all the Jews knew exactly what that meant. Peter was now in charge.
Every time the apostles were listed as a whole in the Bible, Peter was listed first. The first to preach at Pentecost was Peter. When the apostles were arrested, Peter spoke to them. When they ran to the tomb on Easter, John got there first. He waited for Peter to go in first.
Peter was the only human to walk on water. He was the only apostle that God spoke to personally, when Jesus asked them who they thought he was.
He was the only one of the twelve he renamed. If fact he renamed him twice. Cephas on the day he met him, which mean rock in Aramic and Peter which means rock in Greek. It is the first time in history that a man was called Peter.
Peter was our first Pope, which means Pappa in Italian. We know the name of every successor of his till today.
Is this your position or the position of the church? Can you answer my other question about the change in the bible also?
nobody

Cleveland, GA

#31 Apr 20, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Will you stake your Soul and your life and the blessings your family has from God on everything you have said about me is the truth?
A. yes
B. no
I want God to see if you will honor and prove your own words.
If you refuse to honor your own words this means you told lies about me and made false accusations about me. God will punish you for this.
God doesn't need to see because He already knows. So that leaves you to determine if what I said about you is true. Since you are a prophet that shouldn't be a problem should it? First I guess you will have to determine if I said anything about you. I told you to "BITE ME" once. not sure if I called you anything or not, I may have. If only I were a prophet I would know. I have wondered if you were a kid. possibly a teen maybe even pre-teen. This post sure sounds like a immature individual.
New Guy

Morehead, KY

#33 Apr 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course Jesus is head of the Kingdom of God.
But he gave the keys to Peter and whatever he binds and looses on Earth is bound and loosed in heaven.
So Father Luther is your hero. He continued to adore Mary until he died. Are you a Lutheran. If not then you will go to hell. That is what he taught.
Check your Greek out Mike. Peter never had the authority to bind anything on earth that had to be bound in heaven, nor the loosing either. In the Greek it is clear that HEAVEN does the binding and loosing, and Peter only has the authority to tell those on earth what HEAVEN had bound. In Matthew 18:18 the same authority is given to all 12 apostles. Catholic doctrine is abominable. Leave the mother of harlots before it's too late. Satan is already in the process of destroying this harlot.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#35 Apr 20, 2013
New Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Check your Greek out Mike. Peter never had the authority to bind anything on earth that had to be bound in heaven, nor the loosing either. In the Greek it is clear that HEAVEN does the binding and loosing, and Peter only has the authority to tell those on earth what HEAVEN had bound. In Matthew 18:18 the same authority is given to all 12 apostles. Catholic doctrine is abominable. Leave the mother of harlots before it's too late. Satan is already in the process of destroying this harlot.
The Catholic Church is 2000 years old and Jesus himself said it will be here until the end of ages.
It has been attacked from within, with invading armies, and from without like the Protesters, media, and every other religion in the world.
Without the Catholic Church we would all me Muslims right now.
I really don't care what your interpretation of the Bible is. You believe in sola scriptura so yours is no better than anybody else. That is the doctrine of no authority, believe what you want. What a great thing Father Luther left us.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#36 Apr 20, 2013
nobody wrote:
<quoted text>Is this your position or the position of the church? Can you answer my other question about the change in the bible also?
Of course the Church teaches the Primacy of Peter. He was the 1st Pope.

You will have to help with that change in the Bible. The only one I know is Father Luther's. He got rid of 7 in the OT and 1 in the NT, James, until his buddies realized how crazy this guy was.
New Guy

Morehead, KY

#37 Apr 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church is 2000 years old and Jesus himself said it will be here until the end of ages.
It has been attacked from within, with invading armies, and from without like the Protesters, media, and every other religion in the world.
Without the Catholic Church we would all me Muslims right now.
I really don't care what your interpretation of the Bible is. You believe in sola scriptura so yours is no better than anybody else. That is the doctrine of no authority, believe what you want. What a great thing Father Luther left us.
The RCC isnt the church Jesus built Mike. Wake up before the harlot destroys your soul. You don't care what anyone's interpretation of the Bible is, apparently even your own. As a result, instead of reading for yourself and learning that you are currently believing a lie, you will be a mindless sheep following whatever the harlot tells you to believe. There's no difference in being a Catholic or a Muslim-they both lead to the same place. Wake up Mike.
nobody

Cleveland, GA

#38 Apr 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course the Church teaches the Primacy of Peter. He was the 1st Pope.
You will have to help with that change in the Bible. The only one I know is Father Luther's. He got rid of 7 in the OT and 1 in the NT, James, until his buddies realized how crazy this guy was.
The reason I ask if it is your position or the churches is because it sounds like your position. Just wondering exactly what the church said the keys were.

As far as the change in the Matthew baptism formula, I thought you might be able to get into the Catholic Encyclopedia volume 2 page 263 and tell us if the church acknowledged changing the words. No big deal if you don't want to answer. I just heard of it.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#39 Apr 21, 2013
nobody wrote:
<quoted text>The reason I ask if it is your position or the churches is because it sounds like your position. Just wondering exactly what the church said the keys were.
As far as the change in the Matthew baptism formula, I thought you might be able to get into the Catholic Encyclopedia volume 2 page 263 and tell us if the church acknowledged changing the words. No big deal if you don't want to answer. I just heard of it.
I remember somebody asking me about that a while back. Can you be more specific? I think it had to do with the Council of Trent.

The Church specifically about the primacy of Peter. There are tons of evidence of this in the Bible. That is why he was the first Pope.

Christian trivia. The Romans believed the Popes were the head of the Church. The first 29 were martyred by them.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#40 Apr 21, 2013
New Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
The RCC isnt the church Jesus built Mike. Wake up before the harlot destroys your soul. You don't care what anyone's interpretation of the Bible is, apparently even your own. As a result, instead of reading for yourself and learning that you are currently believing a lie, you will be a mindless sheep following whatever the harlot tells you to believe. There's no difference in being a Catholic or a Muslim-they both lead to the same place. Wake up Mike.
New Guy:

Please name one person that was a member of the Church Jesus started from 100AD to 1500 AD. Just 1. If you are a COC member I will make it easier by adding 300 years to 1800. Name just one.

I am a sheep. Jesus and the Apostles and their successors are the Shepherds. Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep 3 times so he succeeded Jesus as the Vicar of Christ and chief Shepherd.

Are you claiming to be a Shepherd? WOW. It sounds like you are more of a wolf or goat.

Where did you get your hate of the Catholic Church from? Your parents, grandparents, pastors or all of them.

I know from the ignorant statement of comparing us to Muslims you know have no clue what the Church teaches.

To top it off, you are reading a Catholic book, the Bible, to say that. Weird.

You need to learn some history of Christianity and the Bible so you don't discredit your statements so much.
nobody

Cleveland, GA

#41 Apr 21, 2013
Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365 – Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words Father, Son & Holy Ghost in 2nd Century.

Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 – The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.

Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2 – Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, page 389.

I never paid much attention to this verse because I always believed the trinity was invented by man and the name was obviously Jesus anyway, so no problem. WIL brought this up a lot, I checked into it and what of these sources?

Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263 – Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.

Schaff – Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435 – The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.

Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88 – It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus.
nobody

Cleveland, GA

#42 Apr 21, 2013
I asked if this was the churches position or yours because they are false statements.
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
He was the only apostle that God spoke to personally, when Jesus asked them who they thought he was.
God spoke twice
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>He was the only one of the twelve he renamed. If fact he renamed him twice. Cephas on the day he met him, which mean rock in Aramic and Peter which means rock in Greek. It is the first time in history that a man was called Peter.
Peter was our first Pope, which means Pappa in Italian.
Dave P

Alexandria, VA

#43 Apr 21, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
New Guy:
Please name one person that was a member of the Church Jesus started from 100AD to 1500 AD. Just 1. If you are a COC member I will make it easier by adding 300 years to 1800. Name just one.
I am a sheep. Jesus and the Apostles and their successors are the Shepherds. Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep 3 times so he succeeded Jesus as the Vicar of Christ and chief Shepherd.
Are you claiming to be a Shepherd? WOW. It sounds like you are more of a wolf or goat.
Where did you get your hate of the Catholic Church from? Your parents, grandparents, pastors or all of them.
I know from the ignorant statement of comparing us to Muslims you know have no clue what the Church teaches.
To top it off, you are reading a Catholic book, the Bible, to say that. Weird.
You need to learn some history of Christianity and the Bible so you don't discredit your statements so much.
Mike, you can probably name a hundred Catholics if not more that lived in that time frame. Problem, most if not all of them aren't Christians. The Catholic church isn't the one Jesus started. It may be the oldest in existence, but that just makes it the oldest harlot.

I know much of catholic doctrine. I read. I had a teacher who had been a devout catholic. His entire family was catholic. There's a large catholic school nearby. Knowing catholic doctrine is where my hatred comes from, because it is a lie that destroys souls. Jesus hates false doctrine. Think He's pleased with the RCC? Not hardly.

As for the rest, don't you even know about your own popes? Peter in his first letter said Jesus was the Chief Shepherd. Jesus was no longer here, but Peter still didn't claim any title. Much bluster, but your so-called "Catholic" book doesn't even support your claims. You aren't listening to the chief Shepherd. You're lost in the wilderness.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#44 Apr 21, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike, you can probably name a hundred Catholics if not more that lived in that time frame. Problem, most if not all of them aren't Christians. The Catholic church isn't the one Jesus started. It may be the oldest in existence, but that just makes it the oldest harlot.
I know much of catholic doctrine. I read. I had a teacher who had been a devout catholic. His entire family was catholic. There's a large catholic school nearby. Knowing catholic doctrine is where my hatred comes from, because it is a lie that destroys souls. Jesus hates false doctrine. Think He's pleased with the RCC? Not hardly.
As for the rest, don't you even know about your own popes? Peter in his first letter said Jesus was the Chief Shepherd. Jesus was no longer here, but Peter still didn't claim any title. Much bluster, but your so-called "Catholic" book doesn't even support your claims. You aren't listening to the chief Shepherd. You're lost in the wilderness.
If you hate the Catholic Church, you know nothing about it. It is easy to find out though, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is free online. There would be nothing to hate if you found out. You might not agree, but hate? You are taught to hate. Who taught you to hate Catholics, your parents or pastors or both.

When I was Baptist, I believed the same things you do. I was taught that.

From my study of History in college I found all I was taught was a lie.

As for the numbers of Catholics who lived in that time. How about EVERY CHRISTIAN who lived from 32 AD to 1530. If you could trace your family back before 1500 they would Catholic or pagan. 1.2 Billion are Catholic today.

Since it was the only Christian church before 1500 it must be the one Jesus started. What did he say? If this one screws up, I have 30,000 more lined up to go.

Nope. He said this one would be protected until the end of ages. And he hasn't lied.

I think Jesus would be proud of his Church. The Protesters of his Church might be looked at though.

As for as Chief Shepherd, you can parse my words all you want, Jesus left a Church and not a Bible and told Peter to feed the sheep for him. He and his successors have done that for 2000 years.

The Catholic Church is the only Bible Church. She created it. I know it was shock to me when I found out.

Former Protester and now proud Papist:

Mike
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#45 Apr 21, 2013
Know enough about it to hate its doctrine and try to convince you to leave it for your souls sake.

"Through Your precepts I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way". Psalm 119:104.

By the way, what makes you think the RCC is any different than any of the protesters out there? It started the same way they did, with man going his own way. It's just the oldest of those fallen away.

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