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Apr 19, 2013
 
Does God want everyone to be Baptist, or Evangelical, or Methodist, or Episcopalian, or whatever your particular faith tradition is?

First, let’s look at what it means to answer that question in the positive: Yes, God wants everyone to be Catholic. I believe, personally, the answer to that question is indeed, yes…I believe that God does indeed want everyone to be Catholic. And I think it is imperative that every Catholic should believe that. And, again, not to leave anyone out, I think it imperative that every Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, etc. should believe that God wants everyone to be a member of their faith tradition.

Well, in 1 Tim 2:4, the Bible says this,“God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” God DESIRES that all men come to the knowledge of the truth, the Bible tells us, and if the fullness of the truth resides in the Catholic Church, then it does indeed follow that God DESIRES all men to come to the Catholic Church, where the fullness of truth resides.

Why?! Why do I say that? I say that, because truth matters. If you believe you have the truth, then wouldn’t God want everyone else to have that same truth? The Bible tells us that Jesus established a church. And what does the Bible tell us about the Church founded by Jesus Christ? In 1 Tim 3:15, the Bible tells us that this Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. In other words, it is the upholder and foundation of the truth. The Bible also tells us, in Ephesians 1:23, that this Church founded by Jesus Christ is the Body of Christ and is the “fullness of Him Who fills all in all.” The Church is the fullness of Jesus Christ – the Bible is very clear on that. And Jesus Christ says in John 14:6 that He is the truth. So, if the Church is the fullness of Jesus Christ, as the Bible says, and Jesus Christ is the truth, as the Bible says, then the Church founded by Jesus Christ contains the fullness of the truth that has been given to us by Jesus Christ. Furthermore, the Bible tells us, in John 16:13, that Jesus Christ sent the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, to guide His Church into all truth.

And we can no longer be content with thinking about a friend or a co-worker,“You know, Jim’s a good guy, he loves the Lord, it doesn’t really matter if he’s not Catholic.” It doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t have the fullness of the truth? It doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t receive Christ in the Eucharist? It doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t receive the graces of the Sacrament of Reconciliation and of all the other Sacraments? If Jim is such a good guy without the fullness of the truth, imagine what kind of incredibly holy guy he could be with the fullness of truth! God wants Jim to be Catholic…God wants Jim to share in the fullness of the truth that is Jesus Chris.
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Fullness of truth!!!

In the RCC!!!????

People can be made to believe anything they want to believe...

No man can bind God to do what he decrees.
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Apr 19, 2013
 
John 8: 31,32; "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

If you want to know the truth, this is how Jesus said to know it.
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John 8: 31,32; "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
If you want to know the truth, this is how Jesus said to know it.
I believe that verse too. Jesus started a Church to teach us Jesus' word. It is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. The Bible is not even mentioned in the scriptures.
The Church gave us the Bible to help her teach. The Church existed for 350 years without the Bible.
There has only been one Church for 2000 years.
All others sprang from the Catholic Church and were started my a man or woman. All took only part of the truth of God's word. They have split so far now, everybody has their own truth.
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The Catholic church is not mentioned in the bible. Jesus is the head of the church in the bible. No mention of a Pope. The priests do unspeakable things with children and the Catholics ignore it along with the bishops, cardinals, and Popes. Probably a good thing the real Christians left the church and their unscriptural practices while they still had some money left. The church making people pay to get their family out of purgatory does get expensive and footing the bill for the lawsuit settlements in the billions just doesn't look good on respectable Christians. I don't blame real Christians for leaving. Thanks to Martin Luther there is still hope and we are now allowed to read the bible. The Catholics didn't want anyone to know what it said . Job security and bible manipulation I suppose. Praying to Mary and everyone they can think to name a saint with their prayer beads and demanding every knee bow to their Pope is another thing not in the bible. Other than those things I think they are a great church.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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I believe that verse too. Jesus started a Church to teach us Jesus' word. It is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. The Bible is not even mentioned in the scriptures.
The Church gave us the Bible to help her teach. The Church existed for 350 years without the Bible.
There has only been one Church for 2000 years.
All others sprang from the Catholic Church and were started my a man or woman. All took only part of the truth of God's word. They have split so far now, everybody has their own truth.
What about the Coptic church and the Orthodox churches? How long have they been around, Mike?
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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I believe that verse too. Jesus started a Church to teach us Jesus' word. It is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. The Bible is not even mentioned in the scriptures.
The Church gave us the Bible to help her teach. The Church existed for 350 years without the Bible.
There has only been one Church for 2000 years.
All others sprang from the Catholic Church and were started my a man or woman. All took only part of the truth of God's word. They have split so far now, everybody has their own truth.
No, the Church was given the Scriptures as they were written and distributed throughout the brotherhood. The Roman Church even prevented the layity from having access to the word of God and went even further to kill those who translated it so they could read it in their own tongues.

If anyone is to blame for obscuring the Scriptures, it's the RCC, so your line that somehow they are now the only true Church is nothing but a very bad joke for anyone who knows its history.
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Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Will you stake your Soul and your life and the blessings your family has from God on everything you have said about me is the truth?
A. yes
B. no
I want God to see if you will honor and prove your own words.
If you refuse to honor your own words this means you told lies about me and made false accusations about me. God will punish you for this.
Grow up and go away. Did you ever seek professional psychiatric evaluation yet?
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Mike Peterson wrote:
Does God want everyone to be Baptist, or Evangelical, or Methodist, or Episcopalian, or whatever your particular faith tradition is?
First, let’s look at what it means to answer that question in the positive: Yes, God wants everyone to be Catholic. I believe, personally, the answer to that question is indeed, yes…I believe that God does indeed want everyone to be Catholic. And I think it is imperative that every Catholic should believe that. And, again, not to leave anyone out, I think it imperative that every Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, etc. should believe that God wants everyone to be a member of their faith tradition.
Well, in 1 Tim 2:4, the Bible says this,“God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” God DESIRES that all men come to the knowledge of the truth, the Bible tells us, and if the fullness of the truth resides in the Catholic Church, then it does indeed follow that God DESIRES all men to come to the Catholic Church, where the fullness of truth resides.
Why?! Why do I say that? I say that, because truth matters. If you believe you have the truth, then wouldn’t God want everyone else to have that same truth? The Bible tells us that Jesus established a church. And what does the Bible tell us about the Church founded by Jesus Christ? In 1 Tim 3:15, the Bible tells us that this Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. In other words, it is the upholder and foundation of the truth. The Bible also tells us, in Ephesians 1:23, that this Church founded by Jesus Christ is the Body of Christ and is the “fullness of Him Who fills all in all.” The Church is the fullness of Jesus Christ – the Bible is very clear on that. And Jesus Christ says in John 14:6 that He is the truth. So, if the Church is the fullness of Jesus Christ, as the Bible says, and Jesus Christ is the truth, as the Bible says, then the Church founded by Jesus Christ contains the fullness of the truth that has been given to us by Jesus Christ. Furthermore, the Bible tells us, in John 16:13, that Jesus Christ sent the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, to guide His Church into all truth.
oAnd we can no longer be content with thinking about a friend or a co-worker,“You know, Jim’s a good guy, he loves the Lord, it doesn’t really matter if he’s not Catholic.” It doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t have the fullness of the truth? It doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t receive Christ in the Eucharist? It doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t receive the graces of the Sacrament of Reconciliation and of all the other Sacraments? If Jim is such a good guy without the fullness of the truth, imagine what kind of incredibly holy guy he could be with the fullness of truth! God wants Jim to be Catholic…God wants Jim to share in the fullness of the truth that is Jesus Chris.
One of my mentors is a former catholic who absolutely disagrees with you. He says, and I quote, "that harlot attempted to send me and my family to hell, but the word of God intervened". Seems like he read the truth and couldn't be catholic any longer.
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Apr 20, 2013
 
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Will you stake your Soul and your life and the blessings your family has from God on everything you have said about me is the truth?
A. yes
B. no
I want God to see if you will honor and prove your own words.
If you refuse to honor your own words this means you told lies about me and made false accusations about me. God will punish you for this.
God has given us all the means to know who is a true prophet, who is a false prophet, and who is a false prophet sent by God to see if His people will honor the truth when presented with a falsehood.
So far I just haven't seen proof fitting the directions of God that I should honor you as a prophet of God who speaks only the truth.
Have you given me reason to honor your words as words from God - according to His true prophets? Specifically what?
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One of my mentors is a former catholic who absolutely disagrees with you. He says, and I quote, "that harlot attempted to send me and my family to hell, but the word of God intervened". Seems like he read the truth and couldn't be catholic any longer.
One of my favorite quotes came from a Mormon scholar who wrote a book on their history that was not favorable - but true. It was used in LDS Institute classes for a while - until being discovered by the anti-LDS. Upon this developement, the LDS Church leadership called him on the carpet to repent or be sanctioned by the Church from all active participation, to loose all he thought he'd worked for in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Knowing what he did, from extremely good scholarship of the historical facts that didn't just retell the 'faith promoting''History of the Church'(LDS), his reply to the charges and threats was:

"I just don't know how to repent of the truth."

And totally honest men are even harder to find today than then.
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I think his name was Hugh Nibley, but I'm not 100% possitive.

Anyway, would any of you agree that man was saved - as his fruits to love the truth and love Jesus Christ with all his heart, having been immersed for the right reasons - will this Mormon be saved?
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The Catholic church is not mentioned in the bible. Jesus is the head of the church in the bible. No mention of a Pope. The priests do unspeakable things with children and the Catholics ignore it along with the bishops, cardinals, and Popes. Probably a good thing the real Christians left the church and their unscriptural practices while they still had some money left. The church making people pay to get their family out of purgatory does get expensive and footing the bill for the lawsuit settlements in the billions just doesn't look good on respectable Christians. I don't blame real Christians for leaving. Thanks to Martin Luther there is still hope and we are now allowed to read the bible. The Catholics didn't want anyone to know what it said . Job security and bible manipulation I suppose. Praying to Mary and everyone they can think to name a saint with their prayer beads and demanding every knee bow to their Pope is another thing not in the bible. Other than those things I think they are a great church.
Of course Jesus is head of the Kingdom of God.
But he gave the keys to Peter and whatever he binds and looses on Earth is bound and loosed in heaven.
So Father Luther is your hero. He continued to adore Mary until he died. Are you a Lutheran. If not then you will go to hell. That is what he taught.
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<quoted text>What about the Coptic church and the Orthodox churches? How long have they been around, Mike?
They are apostolic churches and have the real presence in the Eucharist. I considered the Orthodox in my , but I thought that the Authority of the Pope is what Jesus wanted. God has always had man on Earth with Authority like Abraham, Moses and David. They broke away from that Authority
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One of my mentors is a former catholic who absolutely disagrees with you. He says, and I quote, "that harlot attempted to send me and my family to hell, but the word of God intervened". Seems like he read the truth and couldn't be catholic any longer.
Another fallen away Catholic like the heretic Father Martin. I could quote thousands of Protestant pastors and theologians who have given up their lively hood to convert to Catholicism. Like a protestant radio show personality said, "We are getting the bad Catholics and they are getting our good Protestants.

That Catholic probably didn't want to believe in contraception was bad and wanted to think that divorce was okay.
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Barnsweb wrote:
I think his name was Hugh Nibley, but I'm not 100% possitive.
Anyway, would any of you agree that man was saved - as his fruits to love the truth and love Jesus Christ with all his heart, having been immersed for the right reasons - will this Mormon be saved?
Only God knows who will be saved on judgment day. I am like Paul, working out my salvation, but I don't know anything right now that would prevent it

If you are baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit and don't die in the state of mortal sin, you have a good shot.
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Looks like no one wants to make the statement that their Church is the one true Church with the fullness of the truth that Jesus started.

I think the Catholic Church is based on its pedigree. The only Church that has existed since Jesus.

It is the only one that the Church fathers wrote about until the 1500s
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"If you are baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit and don't die in the state of mortal sin, you have a good shot."

So, it's basically just a bathtub-based crap-shoot?
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They are apostolic churches and have the real presence in the Eucharist. I considered the Orthodox in my , but I thought that the Authority of the Pope is what Jesus wanted. God has always had man on Earth with Authority like Abraham, Moses and David. They broke away from that Authority
Sometimes my remarks are tongue and cheek mixed with seriousness. This is a straight forward question. You know some think the Matthew commission has been altered. Does the Catholic Encyclopedia volume II page 263 acknowledge these verses were changed? I have trouble accessing one on line.

Another question, what are the keys to the Catholics? How do they make Peter a Pope and everyone who succeeds him?
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Should read, What are the keys of the kingdom unto the Catholics? How do they make Peter a Pope?

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