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Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#1 Feb 11, 2014
This video shows how Gnostic error gave rise to Augustine's false teaching.

http://youtu.be/mhLF-llpFX0

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#2 Feb 12, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
This video shows how Gnostic error gave rise to Augustine's false teaching.
http://youtu.be/mhLF-llpFX0
I will never look at anything you cite. A bunch protester COC nonsense. A belief system that younger than the country is. Think about it, even Abraham Lincoln never heard of the COC, It didnt exist then.

Heretics and protesters have been attacking Jesus' Church for 2000 years. He has protected his Bride from all evil until the end of ages just like he promised. It is the oldest surviving institution in the history of the world.

Why is that so? You protester communities are disappearing so fast now,it is amazing.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#3 Feb 12, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>I will never look at anything you cite. A bunch protester COC nonsense. A belief system that younger than the country is. Think about it, even Abraham Lincoln never heard of the COC, It didnt exist then.

Heretics and protesters have been attacking Jesus' Church for 2000 years. He has protected his Bride from all evil until the end of ages just like he promised. It is the oldest surviving institution in the history of the world.

Why is that so? You protester communities are disappearing so fast now,it is amazing.
I'll look at what you cite. I'm not afraid.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#4 Feb 12, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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I'll look at what you cite. I'm not afraid.
Ha. Afraid. Bored is the term. Pure Nonsense. Just like your personal interpretation of a Catholic book

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#5 Feb 12, 2014
Colossians 1:18

www.roysecitycoc.org

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#6 Feb 12, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Colossians 1:18
www.roysecitycoc.org
Amen!!! I believe every word in the Bible. It is a Catholic book after all.

Learn something important about the book....

Where We Got the Bible... Our Debt to the Catholic Church Paperback
by Henry G. Graham (Author) 1911

Be careful if you don't know how to swim. You will be jumping into the Tiber river after reading.

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#7 Feb 12, 2014
You are in luck. It is now free online. When you have time .

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#8 Feb 12, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
You are in luck. It is now free online. When you have time .

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
Thanks for keeping this thread fresh.

:)

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#9 Feb 13, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Thanks for keeping this thread fresh.
:)
You too. Its always good to for protesters to learn what Jesus' Church really teaches.

Reading that free book will give insight to all you protesters on the history of the bible. Jesus did not rain down Bibles like mana in the desert.

It was the love of scripture by the Catholic Church that the Bible exists today. All copies of those would have been lost forever.

Read and enjoy.

Repost and keep this fresh

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#10 Feb 13, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>You too. Its always good to for protesters to learn what Jesus' Church really teaches.

Reading that free book will give insight to all you protesters on the history of the bible. Jesus did not rain down Bibles like mana in the desert.

It was the love of scripture by the Catholic Church that the Bible exists today. All copies of those would have been lost forever.

Read and enjoy.

Repost and keep this fresh
Yes, God has often used the lost to accomplish His will.

That's the power of providence.

www.roysecitycoc.org
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#11 Feb 13, 2014
And God's adversary has used the will of men to attack his Church. The pride and arrogance of men to lead to decide on their own what Jesus taught 2000 years after the fact.

Protesters.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#12 Feb 13, 2014

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#13 Feb 13, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
Thanks again.:)
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#14 Feb 15, 2014
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...

After Graham explains how Bibles were created for a 1000 years before the printing press and all of the errors that could have been created by the copiers he states.

You see what I mean? Well, the Bibles, before printing, are full of varieties and differences and blunders. Which of them all is correct? Pious Protestants may hold up their hands in horror and cry out,'there are no mistakes in the Bible! it is all inspired! it is God's own Book!' Quite true, if you get God's own book, the originals as they came from the hand of Apostle, Prophet, and Evangelist. These, and these men only, were inspired and protected from making mistakes: but God never promised that every individual scribe (perhaps sleepy-headed, or stupid, or heretical) who took in hand the copying out of the New Testament would be infallibly secure from committing errors in his work. The original Scripture is free from error, because it has God for its author; so teaches the Catholic Church; and the Catholic Bible, too, the Vulgate, is a correct version of the Scripture; but that does not alter the fact that there are scores, nay thousands, of differences in the old manuscripts and copies of the Bible that were written before the days of printing; and I should like any enquiring Protestants to ponder over this fact and see how they can possibly reconcile it with their principle that the Bible alone is the all-sufficient guide to salvation. Which Bible? Are you sure you have got the right Bible? Are you certain that your Bible contains exactly the words, and all the words and only the words, that came from the hands of Apostle and Evangelist? Are you sure that no other words have crept in or that none have been dropped out? Can you study the Hebrew and Greek and Latin manuscripts and versions, page by page, and compare them, and compile for yourself a copy of Holy Scripture identical with that written by the inspired authors from Moses to St. John? If you cannot—and you see at once that it is impossible—then do not talk about 'the Bible and the Bible only'. You know perfectly well that you must trust to some authority outside of yourself to give you the Bible. The Bible you are using today was handed down to you: you have, in fact, allowed some third party to come between you and God, a thing quite repugnant to the Protestant theory.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#15 Feb 15, 2014
Excerpt from where we got the Bible by Henry Graham;

Now we know that the Gospels and Epistles of the New Testament were read aloud to the congregations of Christians that met on the first day of the week for Holy Mass (just as they are still among ourselves), one Gospel here, another there; one Epistle of St Paul in one place, another in another; all scattered about in various parts of the world where there were bodies of Christians. And the next question that naturally occurs to us is, when were these separate works gathered together so as to form a volume, and added to the Old Testament to make up what we now call the Bible? Well, they were not collected for the best part of 300 years. So that here again I am afraid is a hard nut for Protestants to crack, viz.—That though we admit that the separate works composing the New Testament were now in existence, yet they were for centuries not to be found altogether in one volume, were not obtainable by multitudes of Christians, and even were altogether unknown to many in different parts of the world. How then, could they possibly form a guide to Heaven and the chart of salvation for those who had never seen or read or known about them? It is a fact of history that the Council of Carthage, which was held in 397 A.D., mainly through the influence of St Augustine, settled the Canon or Collection of New Testament Scriptures as we Catholics have them now, and decreed that its decision should be sent on to Rome for confirmation. No Council (that is, no gathering of the Bishops of the Catholic Church for the settlement of some point of doctrine) was ever considered to be authoritative or binding unless it was approved and confirmed by the Roman Pontiff, whilst the decisions of every General Council that has received the approval of Rome are binding on the consciences of all Catholics. The Council of Carthage, then, is the first known to us in which we find a clear and undisputed catalogue of all the New Testament books as we have them in Bibles now.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#16 Feb 15, 2014
Thanks again.

:)
Mike Peterson

Sumrall, MS

#17 Feb 15, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Thanks again.
:)
No problem. You, a preacher man, should know the history of the Bible. It shows how you,a self proclaimed Bible thumper, has no clue about it's origin.

"The Jewish people were not used to it, and the Gentiles could not have understood it. Even Protestant authors of the highest standing are compelled to admit that the living teaching of the Church was necessarily the means chosen by Jesus Christ for the spread of His Gospel, and that the committing of it to writing was a later and secondary development. Dr. Westcott, Bishop of Durham, than whom among Anglicans there is not a higher authority, and who is reckoned, indeed, by all as a standard scholar on the Canon of Scripture, says (The Bible in the Church,—pp. 53 and seqq.):—'In order to appreciate the Apostolic age in its essential character, it is necessary to dismiss not only the ideas which are drawn from a collected New Testament, but those also, in a great measure, which sprung from the several groups of writings of which it is composed.

The first work of the Apostles, and that out of which all their other functions grew, was to deliver in living words a personal testimony to the cardinal facts of the Gospel—the Ministry, the Death and the Resurrection of Our Lord. It was only in the course of time, and under the influence of external circumstances, that they committed their testimony, or any part of it, to writing. Their peculiar duty was to preach. That they did, in fact, perform a mission for all ages in perpetuating the tidings which they delivered was due, not to any conscious design which they formed, nor to any definite command which they received, but to that mysterious power', etc.'The repeated experience of many ages has even yet hardly sufficed to show that a permanent record of His words and deeds, open to all, must co-exist with the living body of the Church, if that is to continue in pure and healthy vigour.'

And again:'The Apostles, when they speak, claim to speak with Divine authority, but they nowhere profess to give in writing a system of Christian Doctrine. Gospels and Epistles, with the exception, perhaps of the writings of St John, were called out by special circumstances. There is no trace of any designed connection between the separate books, except in the case of the Gospel of St Luke and the Acts (also by St Luke), still less of any outward unity or completeness in the entire collection. On the contrary, it is not unlikely that some Epistles of St Paul have been lost, and though, in point of fact, the books which remain do combine to form a perfect whole, yet the completeness is due not to any conscious co-operation of their authors, but to the will of Him by whose power they wrote and wrought.'

What a contrast there is, in these clear words of the great scholar, to the common delusion that seems to have seized some minds—that the Bible, complete and bound, dropped down among the Christians from Heaven after the day of Pentecost: or, at the least, the Twelve Apostles sat down together in an upper room, pens in hand, and wrote off at a sitting all the Books of the New Testament! And allow me to give one more short quotation to drive home the point I am labouring at, that the written New Testament could never have been intended as the only means of preaching Salvation.

'It was some considerable time after Our Lord's Ascension,'(writes the Protestant author of Helps to the Study of the Bible, p. 2),'before any of the books contained in the New Testament were actually written. The first and most important work of the Apostles was to deliver a personal testimony to the chief facts of the Gospel history. Their teaching was at first oral, and it was no part of their intention to create a permanent literature.' These, I consider, are valuable admissions.
Mike Peterson

Flowood, MS

#18 Feb 15, 2014
From Where We Got the Bible: Henry Graham:

Individual interpretation of the Bible—the most sublime but also the most difficult Book ever penned—can never bring satisfaction, can never give infallible certainty, can never place a man in possession of that great objective body of truth which Our Blessed Lord taught, and which it is necessary to salvation that all should believe. The experience of many centuries proves it. It can not do so because it was never meant to do so. It produces not unity, but division; not peace, but strife. Only listening to those to whom Jesus Christ said,'He that heareth you heareth Me,' only sinking his own fads and fancies and submitting with childlike confidence to those whom the Redeemer sent out to teach in His Name and with His authority—only this, I say, will satisfy a man, and give to his intellect repose, and to his soul a 'peace that surpasseth all understanding'. Then no longer will he be tormented with contentious disputings about this passage of the Bible and that, no longer racked and rent and 'tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine', changing with the changing years. He will, on the contrary, experience a joy and comfort and certainty that nothing can shake in being able to say,'O my God, I believe whatever Thy Holy Catholic Church believes and teaches, because Thou hast revealed it Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived.' God grant that many Bible-readers and Bible-lovers may obtain the grace to make this act of faith, and pass from an unreasoning subservience to a Book to reasonable obedience and submission to its maker and defender—the Catholic and Roman Church.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#19 Feb 15, 2014
The amazing thing about the Bible is the fact that it does not teach Catholic doctrine.

www.roysecitycoc.org
Mike Peterson

Sumrall, MS

#20 Feb 16, 2014
Says a low end, protesting, sola scriptura interpreter of a Catholic book about Jesus' Church that has been here for 2000 years.

Amazing ignorance and blinders.

Of course you have the fullness of the Truth and teach no errors. Been around for 200 years and 1/2 of your members are in Tenn and Texas. Where was Jesus for your 'Church' for 1800 years?

The government only recognized your community in 1900., That was the first time you could check COC on the census.

How can you stand there and lie about your history and accept money for doing that?

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