The Early Church Fathers
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#62 Jun 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So you don't believe the inquisitions and crusades happened ? They were not in the Bible.
Not important for salvation. What did you say earlier about people either being ignorant of what is actually taught? Or purposefully being deceptive? Your quote is dodgeball.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#63 Jun 19, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Not important for salvation. What did you say earlier about people either being ignorant of what is actually taught? Or purposefully being deceptive? Your quote is dodgeball.
You claim what the first Christians were not inspired. Not inspired, but inspiring,and the pillar and foundation of truth.

Your writings and interpretation are not inspired or the pillar and foundation of truth.
Come Back Lost Sheep

New York, NY

#64 Jun 19, 2013
Dr. R C Sproul is doing a series on Roman Catholic Theology. You might find it interesting and more accurate than some accounts presented here.

http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/renewing-y...

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#65 Jun 19, 2013
Come Back Lost Sheep wrote:
Dr. R C Sproul is doing a series on Roman Catholic Theology. You might find it interesting and more accurate than some accounts presented here.
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/renewing-y...
Is this the same Sproul I've seen described as a "raging heretic and blasphemer" by another protestant or the Sproul defrocked for "irregularities?"
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#66 Jun 19, 2013
Come Back Lost Sheep wrote:
Dr. R C Sproul is doing a series on Roman Catholic Theology. You might find it interesting and more accurate than some accounts presented here.
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/renewing-y...
Why not go to a Catholic to learn Roman Catholic Theology, like Father Robert Barron's famous series called Catholicism free on EWTN.

Or his series on youtube.

You go to Sproul to learn about Calvinism. Not sure how many points whatever that means. He is a protester. What is he going to say?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#67 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Why not go to a Catholic to learn Roman Catholic Theology, like Father Robert Barron's famous series called Catholicism free on EWTN.
Or his series on youtube.
You go to Sproul to learn about Calvinism. Not sure how many points whatever that means. He is a protester. What is he going to say?
Yes and we go to catholics to learn about false teaching. We compare it with scripture.

I heard a story once about church of Christ tradition. Each generation in this one family, come thanksgiving they would cut the top of the turkey off a few inches before placing it in the oven. One day someone asked "why do you do that?" The answer was because Grandma always does that. Then they asked Grandma why she did and she said "because it did not fit in my small oven".

That is how traditions get started and take on a life of their own.

If we want true answers we go back to the source-scripture.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#68 Jun 19, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Yes and we go to catholics to learn about false teaching. We compare it with scripture.
I heard a story once about church of Christ tradition. Each generation in this one family, come thanksgiving they would cut the top of the turkey off a few inches before placing it in the oven. One day someone asked "why do you do that?" The answer was because Grandma always does that. Then they asked Grandma why she did and she said "because it did not fit in my small oven".
That is how traditions get started and take on a life of their own.
If we want true answers we go back to the source-scripture.
And you are the final decision maker on that? Right?

Do we have to do that my traditons v your traditions again. I will do your main one.

Sola Scriptura is not to be found in Scripture. In fact it is not to be found anywhere in history before the reformation.

This affects what every protestant beliefs in the area of faith and morals and salvation.

It is a man made traditon

On a Catholic book?

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#69 Jun 19, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Yes and we go to catholics to learn about false teaching. We compare it with scripture.
I heard a story once about church of Christ tradition. Each generation in this one family, come thanksgiving they would cut the top of the turkey off a few inches before placing it in the oven. One day someone asked "why do you do that?" The answer was because Grandma always does that. Then they asked Grandma why she did and she said "because it did not fit in my small oven".
That is how traditions get started and take on a life of their own.
If we want true answers we go back to the source-scripture.
It was Ham.:)

Yes a tradition and not a bad one if you have a short pan. But if you have a big pan cook it all.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#70 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You claim what the first Christians were not inspired. Not inspired, but inspiring,and the pillar and foundation of truth.
Your writings and interpretation are not inspired or the pillar and foundation of truth.
I thought you said all "Christian ecclesiastical communities" were saved since Papa said they were? Doesn't that make everyone a part of the universal body of Christ, and part of the "pillar and ground of the truth"?

My writings are as inspired as those "fathers" you're quoting. Which means, not at all.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#71 Jun 19, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Yes and we go to catholics to learn about false teaching. We compare it with scripture.
Correct! And we've learned a lot. And we still don't believe in catholicism.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#72 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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And you are the final decision maker on that? Right?
Do we have to do that my traditons v your traditions again. I will do your main one.
Sola Scriptura is not to be found in Scripture. In fact it is not to be found anywhere in history before the reformation.
This affects what every protestant beliefs in the area of faith and morals and salvation.
It is a man made traditon
On a Catholic book?
Why not throw out that awful worthless scripture then we can live according to whatever pleases us. Opps, you are already doing that! Heck, you might as well start adding the koran and buddhist tradition.

Hey mark, mopman- help Mike out. That is how I know I am stirring the catholic pot.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#73 Jun 19, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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I thought you said all "Christian ecclesiastical communities" were saved since Papa said they were? Doesn't that make everyone a part of the universal body of Christ, and part of the "pillar and ground of the truth"?
My writings are as inspired as those "fathers" you're quoting. Which means, not at all.
The Church would never say non-Catholic ecclesial communities are saved. They say their members are Christians if they have a Trinitarian baptism. Nothing about being saved. If you don't die in a state of mortal sin, meaning you have confessed them, you have a chance of eternal life. Only God knows that for sure.

You are not in communion with the Church so your writings are heretical if they don't follow Catholic teaching, because Catholic teaching is God's teaching.

You all have part of the Truth, the ones you pick out. That is Protestantism.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#74 Jun 19, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Why not throw out that awful worthless scripture then we can live according to whatever pleases us. Opps, you are already doing that! Heck, you might as well start adding the koran and buddhist tradition.
Hey mark, mopman- help Mike out. That is how I know I am stirring the catholic pot.
You already do what pleases you with the Scriptures.

.

JC: If somebody gave you this scripture and you have never read the Bible before, would you say Jesus said to eat his flesh and drink his blood?

Or would you think he meant just Walmart unsalted crackers and grape Juice?

.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”a52The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying,“How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?”53Jesus said to them,“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.54
Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.57Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.b58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

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#75 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You already do what pleases you with the Scriptures.
.
JC: If somebody gave you this scripture and you have never read the Bible before, would you say Jesus said to eat his flesh and drink his blood?
Or would you think he meant just Walmart unsalted crackers and grape Juice?
.
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”a52The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying,“How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?”53Jesus said to them,“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.54
Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.57Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.b58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
Obviously, Jesus was using speech that represents something; he wasn't literally saying to eat him and drink His Blood.
Come Back Lost Sheep

Dahlonega, GA

#76 Jun 19, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Is this the same Sproul I've seen described as a "raging heretic and blasphemer" by another protestant or the Sproul defrocked for "irregularities?"
You know they are not the same.
Come Back Lost Sheep

Dahlonega, GA

#77 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not go to a Catholic to learn Roman Catholic Theology, like Father Robert Barron's famous series called Catholicism free on EWTN.
Or his series on youtube.
You go to Sproul to learn about Calvinism. Not sure how many points whatever that means. He is a protester. What is he going to say?
Because Catholics have been less than honest.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#78 Jun 21, 2013
From the 400s AD right after the Canonization of Bible

St. Augustine Quotes:

"That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. Through that bread and wine the Lord Christ willed to commend HIS BODY AND BLOOD, WHICH HE POURED OUT FOR US UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS." (Sermons 227)

"The Lord Jesus wanted those whose eyes were held lest they should recognize him, to recognize Him in the breaking of the bread [Luke 24:16,30-35]. The faithful know what I am saying. They know Christ in the breaking of the bread. For not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ, BECOMES CHRIST'S BODY." (Sermons 234:2)

"What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that THE BREAD IS THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE CHALICE [WINE] THE BLOOD OF CHRIST." (Sermons 272)

“I would not believe the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not compel me.”
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#79 Jun 21, 2013
Come Back Lost Sheep wrote:
<quoted text>You know they are not the same.
Do your believe Sproul when he taught a 6 day creation or when he taught it wasn't 6 days?'

Do you believe Mary is the Mother of God . Sproul does. He is 100% a Calvinist.

I believe he will end up Catholic one day..

__________

R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#80 Jun 21, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
From the 400s AD right after the Canonization of Bible
St. Augustine Quotes:
"That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. Through that bread and wine the Lord Christ willed to commend HIS BODY AND BLOOD, WHICH HE POURED OUT FOR US UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS." (Sermons 227)
"The Lord Jesus wanted those whose eyes were held lest they should recognize him, to recognize Him in the breaking of the bread [Luke 24:16,30-35]. The faithful know what I am saying. They know Christ in the breaking of the bread. For not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ, BECOMES CHRIST'S BODY." (Sermons 234:2)
"What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that THE BREAD IS THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE CHALICE [WINE] THE BLOOD OF CHRIST." (Sermons 272)
“I would not believe the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not compel me.”
That is not in the bible Mike and Augustine was not God but a man like us. You surely do not think his writings are inspired do you? The bible tells us something deeper than Augustine and also tells us in several places to do this in remembrance.

Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Joh 6:34 They said to him, "Sir, give us this bread always."
Joh 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

This is another case where the scriptures will give us the truth and traditions from unscrupulous characters have led us in the wrong direction. Thanks for pointing it out Mike.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#81 Jun 21, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>That is not in the bible Mike and Augustine was not God but a man like us. You surely do not think his writings are inspired do you? The bible tells us something deeper than Augustine and also tells us in several places to do this in remembrance.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Joh 6:34 They said to him, "Sir, give us this bread always."
Joh 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.
This is another case where the scriptures will give us the truth and traditions from unscrupulous characters have led us in the wrong direction. Thanks for pointing it out Mike.
So you are inspired and I should believe you and you are leading everybody in the right direction?? Thanks for pointing that out to us,

He was taught that by the Church. You were taught whatever you are trying to say by yourself.

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