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Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#25 Sep 13, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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So now Brian is Catholic Pope and speaks for the Church and not himself:-) You're too funny Brian:-)
Let's get to the root of the Spirit and its relation to immersion:
God gave a promise that is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham - the part about the blessings to the whole earth - whosoever that would come to Him through the Son who gave His life for the whole world - but only those who accepted Him and His teachings.
Go back and read Acts 1-3, then revisit 2:38,39. Where did God ever condone dividing that which He joined together? So rather than trying to divide the word of truth, we'd be advised to grasp how it goes together in a way that shows the truth of the whole to be consistent. Immersion had a type in the OT priesthood, the priests cleansed themselves before putting on their robes to serve in the Temple. John the immerser baptized people for forgiveness of sins to prepare for Master YHWH. Jesus said to immerse disciples made in the name of the FSH. Peter said to those convicted to believe in Jesus as Christ that they were to be immersed for the forgiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit - but this was not just for those present on Pentecost - it was given as a promise from that very day forward - to as many as the Lord would call and to those who responded as those very first disciples in Jerusalem.
To cut immersion off from the commandment of God with promise for all is to seek to do great damage to the very word and promise of God - yet there are not few who defame this truth and promise of God. We all know the verse -'God is not mocked'?
Since the Bible does not tell us everything. How do you think 3,000 people were immersed in one day in Jerusalem.

What body of water did they use? That is only one of the problem with protestants trying to interpret the Bible. They have no concept of the historical, geographical and sociological aspects that have to be taken into account.

One only has to at historical documents like the Didache to confirm specifically how baptisms were done.

One prime example is household. In those times a household were the immediate family, their children and their children's children. Their slaves and their slave's children.

Low end prots want to believe of all the households baptized in the Bible there were no children in any of them. Children are a gift from God. All that could have children had many.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#26 Sep 13, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus did not start the CC. Man start thru a Roman Beliefs. It does not have the right to change nothing, what you say " to bind and looses, forgive sin or not". Jesus did not change one thing that the bibles says of Moses or the prophets. He confirmed them. Christians to day do not practice Passover, which Jesus did. "It was his custom" Jesus did not say to pray to his mother and the saints, only to him and the father. I can go on, but you get the idea. Constantine a pagan worshipper created the CC 300 years after Jesus gave Peter the keys. Yet the CC does not recognized any writing that Peter did. This doesn't make you think why not? Was there a political reason to make Paul more important because he went against what the bible says and help brought in pagan worship. That is why we are called ROMAN CATHOLICS. I don't remember the exact quote, but in the book of Revelation, it say that the church leaders will be deny and punish for the fault teachings that it did.
Show me in the Bible were it Jesus says to pray to him. It doesn't This is further proof not everything is in the Bible. It is sufficient for teaching.

That is why the CC created it. To teach.

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#27 Sep 13, 2013
Hey now you can't be using the bible just when you think it benefits you. You CATs are so funny.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#28 Sep 13, 2013
Answering Catholics wrote:
Hey now you can't be using the bible just when you think it benefits you. You CATs are so funny.
I am still asking for any COCer to name one man between AD 100 to AD 1800 that believed what a COCer believes today. Of course that gets harder every day as the COC continues to split except for the name.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#29 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me in the Bible were it Jesus says to pray to him. It doesn't This is further proof not everything is in the Bible. It is sufficient for teaching.
That is why the CC created it. To teach.
John 14 v 13, John 14 v 6 John 5 v 14 I can show you more. Also just to let you know the Bull crap on what the cc teaches only that they get to heaven, John 3 v 16/17 and Matthew 6 5 thru 15. With you praying to Mary, why are you praying to a Jew when at one time the CC blamed the Jews for the killing of Christ. Isn't that illogical?. I am not saying that the CC teachings are wrong, what I am saying, it teaches some things that are not in the bible. Catholics have this beliefs that they have the right to change God's laws when it seems fit. One time you went to hell for eating meat on Friday, now the Church says it's OK. What happen for the last 2,000 years of those in hell? Nobody, and I mean nobody has the right to dictate what is and what is not. GOD'S LAWS ARE GOD"S LAWS. Not what somebody decides
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#30 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me in the Bible were it Jesus says to pray to him. It doesn't This is further proof not everything is in the Bible. It is sufficient for teaching.
That is why the CC created it. To teach.
P S This is so typical of Catholics not asking questions. Listen to what the CC says, not what Jesus and the prophets say, thru God. You not knowing the it was written by the apostles on what Jesus said. I have taught my kids about Jesus. Find out what he said, not what you are told he said. Did you know that jesus told us that do not bother to pray and ask forgiveness until we Leave the altar and go to your brother's house and forgive him first before you ask God to forgive you.

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#31 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I am still asking for any COCer to name one man between AD 100 to AD 1800 that believed what a COCer believes today. Of course that gets harder every day as the COC continues to split except for the name.
I dont care about no COCer whatever that even means. I am you CATs buddy so drop the bait and switch.

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#32 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me in the Bible were it Jesus says to pray to him. It doesn't This is further proof not everything is in the Bible. It is sufficient for teaching.
That is why the CC created it. To teach.
Did you say "show mein the bible" how dare you dont you know you have to ask your Pope first to tell you what it means. Since you want bible how about you start backing up your beliefs with bible. You must go to tradtion for your garbage that you cant find in the bible. Dont tell others to get the bible if you cant do it yourself.

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#33 Sep 13, 2013
Look over mispellinga Im typing in a dark room. I have to get some rest. I will check back after I recharge my body. Later CATs
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#34 Sep 13, 2013
Answering Catholics wrote:
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Did you say "show mein the bible" how dare you dont you know you have to ask your Pope first to tell you what it means. Since you want bible how about you start backing up your beliefs with bible. You must go to tradtion for your garbage that you cant find in the bible. Dont tell others to get the bible if you cant do it yourself.
Show me in the Bible that everything is in the Bible then. Some was written down and some wasn't. My Bible says that. Which of the 30,000 translations since 1520 are you using?

The Bible is sufficient for teaching.

You must be taught. Who were you taught by??????
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#35 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me in the Bible that everything is in the Bible then. Some was written down and some wasn't. My Bible says that. Which of the 30,000 translations since 1520 are you using?
The Bible is sufficient for teaching.
You must be taught. Who were you taught by??????
And you also are using. If you really want to know go to the english translation from Arabic. This was the language that was spoken in Jesus time and the writings were writing in arabic.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#36 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Since the Bible does not tell us everything. How do you think 3,000 people were immersed in one day in Jerusalem.
What body of water did they use? That is only one of the problem with protestants trying to interpret the Bible. They have no concept of the historical, geographical and sociological aspects that have to be taken into account.
One only has to at historical documents like the Didache to confirm specifically how baptisms were done.
One prime example is household. In those times a household were the immediate family, their children and their children's children. Their slaves and their slave's children.
Low end prots want to believe of all the households baptized in the Bible there were no children in any of them. Children are a gift from God. All that could have children had many.
Now your lack of knowledge of archeology is showing;-) There were quite a number of bathing spots the priests used to wash, baptize themselves, before putting on their temple garments. The number on hand could easily have handled the 3000 in one day. I put more weight to the promise of God as spoken by the Holy Spirit inspired gospel sermon. The word Peter used was 'immersed', not 'poured upon'. And CC, just like the Jews, tried to side-step a simple direction to change it. Jesus said to immerse in Mt. 28. To teach otherwise is to not abide in what He said, and to take away from what He said to say something else.
Repent to believe Jesus Christ; today is the day of salvation, don't turn your heart away from His simple and direct call to obey Him in all things and abide in His words - the commandment of God to all men.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#37 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me in the Bible that everything is in the Bible then. Some was written down and some wasn't. My Bible says that. Which of the 30,000 translations since 1520 are you using?
The Bible is sufficient for teaching.
You must be taught. Who were you taught by??????
Mike, show me one thing Jesus taught that was not in the Torah, Psalms and Prophets. All that He taught about those things were amply noted long before He came to reveal the whole of the truth and grace they contained in Him. As such, unless you can show otherwise - the only Scriptures needed are the previous Scriptures and the gospel records - of course His words in Revelation are also a wonderful bonus!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#38 Sep 13, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Now your lack of knowledge of archeology is showing;-) There were quite a number of bathing spots the priests used to wash, baptize themselves, before putting on their temple garments. The number on hand could easily have handled the 3000 in one day. I put more weight to the promise of God as spoken by the Holy Spirit inspired gospel sermon. The word Peter used was 'immersed', not 'poured upon'. And CC, just like the Jews, tried to side-step a simple direction to change it. Jesus said to immerse in Mt. 28. To teach otherwise is to not abide in what He said, and to take away from what He said to say something else.

Repent to believe Jesus Christ; today is the day of salvation, don't turn your heart away from His simple and direct call to obey Him in all things and abide in His words - the commandment of God to all men.
So the Chief priests of the Temple, right after they crucified Jesus, ran over to Peter when he made his debut as Pope and told him that it was okay to use the priests' cleaning water in the Temple to convert the Jews to Christianity through baptism?

So in in Luke 11, Jesus was rebuked because he didn't immerse himself before eating??

Baptizo was used there too.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#39 Sep 13, 2013
"Low end prots"...God will hold you accountable for every idol word that proceeds from your heart.

Today is the day of your salvation - repent and obey Jesus Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to write the very Torah of God upon your heart!
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#40 Sep 13, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> And you also are using. If you really want to know go to the english translation from Arabic. This was the language that was spoken in Jesus time and the writings were writing in arabic.
I'm still reading stuff, and some early Church writings say the original Matthew was in Hebrew. Jesus and the apostles spoke Aramaic in common language. Matthew in Aramaic was received fairly early in the Aramaic version of the AENT. I don't think Arabic was even a set language when the Mohammad arrived about 650 - let alone 40-60 for Matthew.... Did you mean Aramaic?
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#41 Sep 13, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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I'm still reading stuff, and some early Church writings say the original Matthew was in Hebrew. Jesus and the apostles spoke Aramaic in common language. Matthew in Aramaic was received fairly early in the Aramaic version of the AENT. I don't think Arabic was even a set language when the Mohammad arrived about 650 - let alone 40-60 for Matthew.... Did you mean Aramaic?
Yes. Please continue to learn and read about what really went on. SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND< KNOCK AND THE DOOR WILL BE OPEN. The universe is waiting for his return to celebrate with us the the Fall of "Babylon"

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