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Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#362 Jun 18, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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God hears all prayers.
I am glad we can agree on that, but the extreme wing of the coc says that "The sinner is separated from Christ and God does not hear the prayers of sinners."

Check with Johnny and Heath on that-they say that a true christian must first teach the "sinner-lost person" the gospel and water baptize them before they can pray and be heard.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#363 Jun 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Of course it is. Your founder was a Methodist, baptized by a Baptist, and the COC was started just 200 years ago.
It is a non Catholic christian community. It does have the courage to stand up and say this is the way to heaven and no other communitye will.
I don't understand how anybody can stay with a community who thinks that their way is not the true way.
No other community will say that. But the COC has a very hard problem with History. To believe that they have to believe God was absent for 1700 years in the world because there are no COC members before 1800.
Iglesia ni Cristo has just as valid an argument of the being the true church as COC. I have heard them debate before.
Mike you're missing my point here. Coc salvation theology is extremely close to RCC theology. No sinners' prayer salvation in the coc. Baptism for remission of sins.

Campbell was a Presbyterian, btw. Not that it matters.

The hardline coc does have a major problem with history, claiming to be the one true church, claiming the church needed restored and was in shambles 1800 years. I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

The "true way" isn't found in any organization in my view. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me". If we don't get there by Jesus, no church is going to get us there. Follow Him!

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#364 Jun 18, 2013
John 5:39- “You search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and they are...the rest, they have eternal life of God; but the scriptures only point to, and testify about, Jesus.”

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#365 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Lucifer
(Hebrew helel; Septuagint heosphoros, Vulgate lucifer)
The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.
The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, "to lament"; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4
from the Catholic Encyclopedia
Lucifer and Satan are not the same except in popular imagery, fiction and tradition. I have a cat named Lucifer and another named Vesper for the morning and evening star.
Just curious...with what are you disagreeing? My cats?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#366 Jun 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Either you truly don't know what we do and were taught by your parents and preaches, or you are intentionally misleading.
This is valid. Been thinking this myself. BW isn't intentionally misleading anyone. But almost anytime we've had discussions like this, it seems many times MISUNDERSTANDING what someone else really believes is the problem.

Coc often teach and preach on what other groups believe, and how they are wrong. Problem is, they don't seem to do as much research on actual beliefs and thought, just statements from books often out of context.

I have seen several things Mike has stated that I can agree with; much more I couldn't. I have also seen Mike make several statements that didn't match up with what I had heard about catholicism-for example about saints. I had always heard that RCC only considers saints to be people dead 50 years and work miracles. They are considered a different "class" of saints I guess.

Personally, I am going to try to forget what's been pre-programmed into my brain and make decisions based solely on the basis of scripture.

Still disagree with catholicism.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#367 Jun 18, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
John 5:39-“You search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and they are...the rest, they have eternal life of God; but the scriptures only point to, and testify about, Jesus.”
I also had that scripture in mind. All the Bible knowledge in the world means nothing if we don't believe and follow Christ as a result of that knowledge.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#368 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Just curious...with what are you disagreeing? My cats?
This one wasn't me Mark. No problem with your cats. Interesting names for pets though. Anyone give you any odd looks when you take them to the vet?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#369 Jun 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Why don't you say the Lord's prayer in Church? It is pretty important since Jesus told us to do that.
Bible trivia. Jesus himself never told anybody to pray to him.
Pray means ask. "We ask the Blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints and you my brothers and sisters to pray for us to the Lord our God" at every mass.
The Hail Mary is just quoting bible verses.
Either you truly don't know what we do and were taught by your parents and preaches, or you are intentionally misleading.
Not trying to be misleading, and since I've attended some Catholic services and listened to what they teach on the radio, I'm not just basing my comments of what you believe or practice on what my ignorant parents told me:-) Nice try, but you're barking up the wrong tree with that one.

Yes, He said to pray after the manner or pattern of that prayer, but didn't command saying the exact prayer, as though it was a magical incantation or some like thing.

He did teach praying to the Father. Period. And not through any dead saint either. Doesn't Scripture forbid speaking to the dead?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#370 Jun 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Not trying to be misleading, and since I've attended some Catholic services and listened to what they teach on the radio, I'm not just basing my comments of what you believe or practice on what my ignorant parents told me:-) Nice try, but you're barking up the wrong tree with that one.
Yes, He said to pray after the manner or pattern of that prayer, but didn't command saying the exact prayer, as though it was a magical incantation or some like thing.
He did teach praying to the Father. Period. And not through any dead saint either. Doesn't Scripture forbid speaking to the dead?
We are to follow Jesus. Jesus spoke to what you call dead people. We call them alive.

Elijah and Moses. Some of the Apostles witnessed this didn't they?
The Catholic Church believes that Deuteronomy 18:10-12 speaks about the occult, soothsayers, sorcerers, spells, ghosts and spirits. Even astrology, probably like your Wheel of Stars, your bible supports.

It is not about heaven, angels and Jesus. Ghosts have not entered into heaven so it would displease God to talk with them.

Also this passage occurs before Jesus was on the scene so no one was in heaven. Samuel was in the ground (1 Sam 28:8-25). They were all in Sheol (dead) so the passage makes sense. Leave them in peace.

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#371 Jun 18, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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This one wasn't me Mark. No problem with your cats. Interesting names for pets though. Anyone give you any odd looks when you take them to the vet?
Odd looks? No. I only associate with people who would already know the origin of these words therefore I don't take my cats to Walmart or the CofC.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#372 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Odd looks? No. I only associate with people who would already know the origin of these words therefore I don't take my cats to Walmart or the CofC.
You have a catholic vet then? Do you really look down on the "unwashed masses" or are you just putting on a show here?

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#373 Jun 18, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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You have a catholic vet then? Do you really look down on the "unwashed masses" or are you just putting on a show here?
Vet is educated as is her staff lol. Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans etc hear lucifer = Christ each year at Easter if the ancient Exultet is sung in Latin. Just because some folks hear the word lucifer and automatically think Satan doesn't make it so. Lucifer = Satan is simply NOT in the Bible for all you SS types. Lucifer = Satan is Hollywood hype. Blame it on Milton.

And yes I must admit I do look down on the tramp stamp crowd.

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#374 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Vet is educated as is her staff lol. Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans etc hear lucifer = Christ each year at Easter if the ancient Exultet is sung in Latin. Just because some folks hear the word lucifer and automatically think Satan doesn't make it so. Lucifer = Satan is simply NOT in the Bible for all you SS types. Lucifer = Satan is Hollywood hype. Blame it on Milton.
And yes I must admit I do look down on the tramp stamp crowd.
Wow. The “tramp stamp crowd”- shouldn’t we embrace all people? Why respect some over others? Perhaps, in the context you refer to “prots”– I don’t know. Or, are you really revealing hatred for certain classes of people?

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#375 Jun 18, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I am glad we can agree on that, but the extreme wing of the coc says that "The sinner is separated from Christ and God does not hear the prayers of sinners."
Check with Johnny and Heath on that-they say that a true christian must first teach the "sinner-lost person" the gospel and water baptize them before they can pray and be heard.
I doubt this comment is true. But I will ask Heath since he is on right now.

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#376 Jun 18, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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Wow. The “tramp stamp crowd”- shouldn’t we embrace all people? Why respect some over others? Perhaps, in the context you refer to “prots”– I don’t know. Or, are you really revealing hatred for certain classes of people?
hatred? hardly. I take it you, your spouse or significant other are tattooed or tramp stamped. I simply choose not to associate with smokers either.

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#377 Jun 18, 2013
No I do not have tats nor a significant other- but I do know many people with tats. That doesn’t keep me away from them. I have friends who smoke too. Granted, I do not like second hand smoke but I still associate with them. Perhaps hatred was too harsh. You dislike certain things about people and avoid them. I try to look past the outside and get to know people regardless if they are tattooed and smoke.

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#378 Jun 18, 2013

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#379 Jun 18, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
No I do not have tats nor a significant other- but I do know many people with tats. That doesn’t keep me away from them. I have friends who smoke too. Granted, I do not like second hand smoke but I still associate with them. Perhaps hatred was too harsh. You dislike certain things about people and avoid them. I try to look past the outside and get to know people regardless if they are tattooed and smoke.
I will not knowingly associate with Democrats either. Hatred may play a part in that.

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#380 Jun 18, 2013
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If the Bible is a Catholic book,

1. Why does it condemn clerical dress?(Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary?(Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests?(1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days?(Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints?(1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images?(Ex. 20:4-5).
7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring?(Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"?(Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter?(1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many?(1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man?(1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter?(Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory?(Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#381 Jun 18, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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If the Bible is a Catholic book,
1. Why does it condemn clerical dress?(Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary?(Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests?(1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days?(Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints?(1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images?(Ex. 20:4-5).
7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring?(Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"?(Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter?(1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many?(1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man?(1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter?(Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory?(Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
First of all you are right, why would the Church create a book that disproves itself?

You are practicing SS without any Authority to do so.

Why do you ask so many at once? I will respond to a few.

3. We are all priests. The Priests and Bishops in the Church are ordained though and are successors to the Apostles. Laying on of hands of successors is in the Bible.

11. The Bishop cannot have had more than 1 wife. IF he had been married twice he could not been a Bishop.

8. It says call no man your Father. It doesn't say religious leader. What about Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac." They must have been asleep when Jesus taught that one that day.

Are you blind? Jesus said to pluck your eyes out if they cause you to sin. I know you have done that.

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